ArkaPro Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 Hello, as most of you guys, I enjoy both worlds on my hack. You can check my SIG to see how I use it. Everything is working great, only one annoying thing! In order to run the Mac - I need to change the SATA settings in the bios to AHCI. In order to run the PC - I need to change the SATA settings in the bios back to IDE. When I tryed to run XP, or Vista on AHCI mode, its starts booting (with this Low res "starting windows" progress bar) but after two seconds it freezes and reboots... So right now I just go into bios each time.. its annoying... I'm sure there is a better way... FYI: I dont use chane or other boot loaders... I just press F8 on Boot and pick the HD I want to boot from the desired OS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olegon Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 if you reinstall win xp when sata in achi mode (may need sata driver from floppy) all operating systems will started normal! (Excuse for my English!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkaPro Posted October 7, 2007 Author Share Posted October 7, 2007 Oh man.. :censored2: I just installed XP and vista with all proggiz in IDE mode... Its going to be a freaking mess... to reinstall everything... Cant I just change the BIOS to AHCI.. and then run Reair from the Windows install CD? Are you sure reinstall in AHCI mode is the only option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bibendum Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 I believe if you download the drivers, you may be able to install them in Windows, then change your bios for good, but check this thread - it's an issue with this motherboard as well: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?sho...view=getnewpost Patrick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJMoose Posted October 7, 2007 Share Posted October 7, 2007 To safely avoid this switching back and forth, you really should re-install windows using F6 during the early part of the install to add the proper drivers for your SATA controllers at that point. Yes, it's royal pain to realize that after you just installed everything the way you want it. Been there and done that a many months ago. There is a method floating around the net for adding the drivers post installation, but I found that to be unstable. The drivers are installed, but the disks don't always show as SATA or AHCI. That can be dangerous for your data. Just bite the bullet and do it. You will maximize the capabilities of your SATA II drives and no worries about instability or switching back and forth in your bios. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkaPro Posted October 7, 2007 Author Share Posted October 7, 2007 So I guess I'll need to face the harsh verdict. I'll need to find the time between projects to do it. Before I start: But one thing to be sure.. before I'll do it.. I remember I read somewhere that running windows in AHCI mode will decrease Hard Drive performance. Is it true? I'm still using the PC (Adobe master collection) as my main editing machine. The mac and FCP studio are still a testing ground for me... So I can't afford this performance issues. Getting my hands dirty: In order for me to run Windows in AHCI mode you say I need to use a floppy disk during Win install (F6 stage). Well I'll need to install a Floppy Drive for that.. (is there any other way?). OK I'll try to read more and update you guys... I guess that after installing windows in AHCI mode I'll need to find a proper way to select OS's on boot. thanks again guys and big up to you BJMoose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJMoose Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I edit mostly on PC with Adobe also. That's my full time job. I've been running AHCI on my SATA II drives for several months now and haven't seen any negative performance hit. Actually, SiSoft Sandra 2007 reports better performance. I know that isn't the best test, but I depend heavily on drive performance for editing/rendering/encoding and it's been fine. Could be specific to a particular motherboard or chipset. Yes, if your bios detects usb thumbdrives you can use that instead of a floppy. That's the way most computers are going now. I'm old school and won't build a computer without a floppy drive. They may be old, but sometimes they're just convenient. If I remember correctly, Window lets you search for the location of the files it needs to copy. So even a cd-rom would probably work. Just a note, if your system has drivers for more than one controller, install all of them at F6. That way you're covered in case you want to change in the future. And you're not locked in once you install the drivers. If you switch you bios back to IDE, windows will automatically install the IDE drives on boot up. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I was in a similar situation but I had used hardware raid in windows and wanted to switch to AHCI. I did it by "repairing" my windows xp install. First you can repair your windows installation rather than start from scratch. For XP (I don't have Vista) you boot of the CD, let it find the existing XP installation, and repair it. You'll need to do the F6 driver thing. If you don't have a floppy you can either buy a USB floppy or slipstream the AHCI drivers for your chipset into the install disk. Google and you can find out how to do it. I had a floppy drive so that part was easy.... SMF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azurael Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 NCQ isn't supported in legacy (IDE) mode on Intel chipsets... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkaPro Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 Hi, I need to have a better understanding of what to search for: When you say controller you meen - "P35/G33/G31"? or "82801IR (ICH9R)"? or is it the same? Where can I find/download those "controller" drivers? In the ASUS official web site? BJ - when you said: if your system has drivers for more than one controller, install all of them at F6. That way you're covered in case you want to change in the future. And you're not locked in once you install the drivers. If you switch you bios back to IDE, windows will automatically install the IDE drives on boot up. What does "more than one controller" meen? As far as I understood I need to search for the AHCI and IDE Drivers of "82801IR (ICH9R)" is that correct? I attached a picture and a LINK to my CPU-Z validation . BTW can you please check my XBench I think I'm getting a very low Disk performence rating (I'm the Red bar)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 BJMoose means your disk controller - your ICH9R. You might also have a JMicron as well to support some additional SATA/PATA ports. Your motherboard will come with an install disk that should provide you the correct drivers. You can also download them from Intel (ICH9R) and JMicron (if you have one). I believe that Windows XP will only accept a floppy input for F6 but as I said you can slipstream the drivers into a Windows XP install CD so you don't need the floppy. Vista will accept a USB Flash drive or CD/DVD for drivers. According to some posts I found searching google with "switch ich9r to ahci" you might be able to switch to AHCI without reinstalling windows (at least XP). Take a look at http://forums.hexus.net/showthread.php?t=112584 and see if you want to try that route. SMF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkaPro Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 I came across this Intel® Matrix Storage Manager Page and it pretty much helped me what to do. And ya, it sais that "Note: The F6 installation method is not required for Microsoft Windows Vista*." OK... now I'll just need to find the time to reinstall and crack everything from scratch... -It was really a pain in the ars hacking that Adobe Production Premium CS3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMF Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Well, if you are prepared to reinstall then take a look at the link I put in my last post. It implies that you can patch the registry (via a file) and manually install the AHCI drivers from inside your working XP and then change the BIOS during the reboot and be good to go. Let us know the path you take and your results. SMF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJMoose Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 BJ - when you said: What does "more than one controller" meen? As far as I understood I need to search for the AHCI and IDE Drivers of "82801IR (ICH9R)" is that correct? On my Bad Axe 2 board, I have four SATA connectors attached to a ICH7 controller and four SATA connectors attached to a Marvell controller. What I meant was if you have a similar situation, you might as well install both sets of drivers now so you can optimize the flexibility of your system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkaPro Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 Well, Bj moose did not recomend installing the drivers from within the XP itself. Even though its a pain in the ass to install the system from scratch.. I'll do it if I'll know its the most reliable way. What about Vista? after reading a bit I got a little confused, is it possible (and safe) to install the driver after install? I need to know, when do I install the AHCI drivers in Vista? is it during installation (they said that there is no F6 stage on vista) or post installation? I'm asking about vista - because its my main editing/working OS. (now that CS3 supports it). BJ - about the controllers - thanks, I use all 4 of my HDDs on the 82801IR (ICH9R). I dont think my mobo (P5K Deluxe) has more controllers (except the ESATA which Im not using) So I guess I need to install only 82801IR (ICH9R) AHCI drivers. you mentioned before that I'll need to install both AHCI and IDE drivers, doesn't vista has them already? because when I install windows on IDE it never asked me for them... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJMoose Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I've not gone the Vista route yet because a lot of the little software stuff I use won't run properly on it and I suppose it will be awhile before these authors get around to updating their software. Sorry if I confused you, IDE drivers are automatically loaded with Windows XP so I'm sure they are in Vista too. I just meant that if you install the AHCI drivers and decide to go back to IDE, the IDE driver will automatically be there. With Vista, I really don't know if you can safely install the drivers after the system is already installed. I do know that with XP, even though there's a way to install them, I didn't get the same results as when I installed them from the getgo. YMMV though. What I would suggest is to get a copy of Ghost 12 and make a quick image of your Vista partition while it up and running the way you want it. That should only take about 15 minutes or so. Then, go ahead and try to install the AHCI drivers to see how they work. The most it can cost you is another 15 minutes to restore the Ghost image to the partition. And if it's the best of scenarios, you'll get what you want without having to reload all your software. When you get Ghost 12 (if you don't already have it) make sure your system will boot off the Ghost CD so you can restore an image to your hard drive before you delete any partitions. You can create your image from within windows, but you can only restore the image by booting from your cd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkaPro Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 Thanks again BJ, you the best! Well, OK then I'll do it as soon as I'll finish my current project! Right now I have a hole other issue, for some reason the video I import and playback in Adobe premiere CS3 is way too bright - the black is very "milky" (and a bit low res)! WTF? did you encounter a thing like that? it happens in both vista and XP versions!!! I think Im going to cry - I have this customer that needs to see a sample of my work, so I need to fix this bool{censored} issue right away! Did you have this kinda thing before? I'm running Premiere pro 2 and CS3 on the XP and Premiere Pro CS3 on Vista. all the same... when I try to run source file in winamp its OK, but when I run it in the editing software (in source window and when its located on the timeline) its way too bright... I tried to export a little piece of footage to a Uncompressed AVI file to see how it will look in winamp player.. the result is that after export it still too bright! I guess its some kind of a codec issue... what a drag, I don't know how to address this problem... BTW... this is completly non relevant to the thread.. it was a burst of my frustration Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJMoose Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 Well, since this is already your thread, I guess you can't hijack it. How was the source material captured into Premiere Pro? Did you start the project in PP CS2 and make any changes in PP CS3 and then try to reopen the project in CS2? What codecs were used for the original source (divx, dv, etc)? Are you exporting to DVD? If so, does the finished product look the same as the PP CS monitor? I know Adobe says it is okay, but personally I would never have both CS2 and CS3 on the same system at the same time. Asking for trouble. As I mentioned earlier, I don't use Vista yet, so I don't know how CS3 reacts to that. Of course the monitor and preview should be accurate representations, but depending on the source material, they won't always be. It's most important what the finished output looks like. Have you tried color correction and adjusting the brightness filters? Sorry for all the questions, but without actually seeing the original material it's tough to diagnose by someone else's description. What you describe as milky might mean something else to me. Do you have any of those codec packs installed on your machine? Many of them will override the default codecs for editing and authoring software. It's one of the biggest complaints I see on the Adobe Encore and Premiere Pro forums. I know they're all over the internet and lots of folks who just want to d/l tv shows swear by them, but for serious work, you need to be fully aware of what codecs you're using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven77 Posted October 8, 2007 Share Posted October 8, 2007 I was able to install the AHCI drivers without reinstalling XP. Works flawless: I asume your board also has a Jmicron Controller. Turn it to IDE Mode and plug your windows-harddisk to the Jmicron Controller (mostly the purple ones). then boot windows, to see if it boots anyway. If it boots, turn on AHCI in the Bios for the Intel Controller. Boot Windows again. Now Windows should find a new Hardwaredevice and wants a driver. Thats the AHCI-Driver. After installing it, shut down your computer. Now plug your harddisk back to the Intel Controller (Orange Ports). Worked for me with XP and Vista 64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArkaPro Posted October 8, 2007 Author Share Posted October 8, 2007 Thanks man, I'll try to give it a go (when I'll finish with my project) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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