Bartboy919 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Has The World's View of America Been The Worst It Has Ever Been? It would seem that many european country's have a negative view of the US, what do you think EDIT: sorry for the grammatical errors in the title that seem to make me look like a dysfunctional idiot, I was not thinking strait, but it is now fixed Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I will agree and it's not helping that the general population keeps electing retards into office. I don't know how many times I've heard people say 'I vote republican because my parents were republicans'. That is not a reason to vote and until things like that change the worlds perception of the US will not change. For what should be a highly educated nation there are millions of registered voters who don't even understand how the government here works but vote based on party lines, family bias rather than the issues. (in case you were wondering how it works...it's $$$$$$$$). If you have it you get what you want sadly. Just look at how opposed to the concept of global warming/climate change the US is...Europe has basically said it's happening and something needs to be done. The general uneducated population thinks it a conspiracy. Just to note I'm a british citizen living in the US. On a side question how's Australia and New Zealand? perhaps I'll move there Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Not only european contries, american countries too. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329130 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Keep in mind also that there are retarded sections of the US and not-so retarded sections of the US. If you are near the ocean near a major metropolitan area, you are usually ok. But as you move to the interior of the continent, things slowly change for the worse (overall). I personally have a personal bias toward where I live (Seattle, WA) I love it. But...its interesting about the US. The states aren't exactly like provinces, its kinda like they are their own little countries, there are local laws that differ greatly from other states (for example, here in Washington, all liquor stores are all controlled by the state [something I think is stupid by the way]. There are no "big bob's liquor" stores or anything like that, every single liquor store is "Liquor and Wine" in the most basic font you can imagine). Then again in the state of Nevada, you can buy Bacardi 151 (151 proof) at the grocery store. Also there, gambling and prostitution legal, in other states, not so much. My point is that the United States is a big country, and many of us here have different ideas about what is right, geographically from one side of the nation to the other, its like totally different countries...really. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I'll agree killbot1000, you could go further and say that the popular political group of a state typically indicates the education level of that state. Blue vs Red I'm referring to. The coasts except for the south are blue, the south and the middle of the country are red. I ask you this, why in the hell would a poor southern family vote republican when republican's don't want to help the poor. They want to keep the min wage down and provide tax breaks for the rich 1% and big businesses (that back them in election years for a small price...their soul)?!?! Their paw voted republican and so will jim bob...it's retarded and makes no sense to me. People need to do what THEY feel is right, not what their parents tell them, not what their church tells them, too many people are blinded by lies from others and are too stupid to tell the difference anyway. by the way I loved seattle when I was last there, spend a month out on one of the islands in the sound...beautiful! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329295 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mifki Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 you spelt straight wrong bartboy Australia is nice, but id move to NZ when i get rich and old because it is nearly empty and the scenery is really awesome Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 Yeah, me too Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I like empty places with nice scenery! It sounds peaceful i'm going to have to look at this more indepth in the coming years Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted March 21, 2007 Share Posted March 21, 2007 I'll agree killbot1000, you could go further and say that the popular political group of a state typically indicates the education level of that state. Blue vs Red I'm referring to. The coasts except for the south are blue, the south and the middle of the country are red. I ask you this, why in the hell would a poor southern family vote republican when republican's don't want to help the poor. They want to keep the min wage down and provide tax breaks for the rich 1% and big businesses (that back them in election years for a small price...their soul)?!?! Their paw voted republican and so will jim bob...it's retarded and makes no sense to me. People need to do what THEY feel is right, not what their parents tell them, not what their church tells them, too many people are blinded by lies from others and are too stupid to tell the difference anyway. by the way I loved seattle when I was last there, spend a month out on one of the islands in the sound...beautiful! Thank you for your post, I'm glad to hear other people like seattle too . The South actually used to vote blue, but...they changed after the civil rights movement (funny that they change parties over THAT!?!). The republican party at the time took the conservative stance in keeping everything the way it is (segregation against black people). Most whitey's in the south liked the idea of keeping everything the way it was and thats when the south started voting republican, and when the republican party started becoming scary and religious. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Yeah I remember hearing about that flip-flop in the south but I thought it was after african american's got the right to vote, you're probably right though. Either way it's a retarded reason. I'll let them keep beating their bibles as I move out of this place... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329409 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted March 22, 2007 Share Posted March 22, 2007 Yeah I remember hearing about that flip-flop in the south but I thought it was after african american's got the right to vote, you're probably right though. Either way it's a retarded reason. I'll let them keep beating their bibles as I move out of this place... Well you might be right, i probably just got mixed up, but in any case, it had something to do with black people getting more rights (very stupid reason to change parties over [unless the switch was to give all kinds of people equal rights]) Also, screw the bible, rubbish I say (based on historical and scientific evidence) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartboy919 Posted March 22, 2007 Author Share Posted March 22, 2007 you spelt straight wrong bartboy Well, just goes to show how lame I am Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-329561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 I believe everybody with a bit of common sense and overall knowledge here in Europe understands that the American people are quite OK. However we are pretty scared by: 1)You current administration (an opinion poll here in Italy shows that Italians are more scared by the US than by Iran) 2)The power of your Multinationals. I watched a horrifying documentary about MacDonald's practices two nights ago. So it is up to you people of America. You should fight for your (and our) freedom harder than ever now. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-331136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 I will agree and it's not helping that the general population keeps electing retards into office. I don't know how many times I've heard people say 'I vote republican because my parents were republicans'. That is not a reason to vote and until things like that change the worlds perception of the US will not change. For what should be a highly educated nation there are millions of registered voters who don't even understand how the government here works but vote based on party lines, family bias rather than the issues. I saw that once they asked an old lady why she voted for Bush. Her reply? "Because he is cute" Now I know that chimpanzees can be kind of cute, but at least they are smart and they are not dangerous warmongers. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-331269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 "Of course the people don't want war. But after all, it's the leaders of the country who determine the policy, and it's always a simple matter to drag the people along whether it's a democracy, a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism, and exposing the country to greater danger." -- Herman Goering at the Nuremberg trials sound familiar at all anyone??? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-331273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackturtleneck Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 Worst is has ever been? I don't think there was really an image problem until the last six or so years. Most people I know would describe the US now as paranoid extremist bullies. Yet those same people think favorably of Americans. Perception of a country is dictated by its government, not its citizens. When the citizens have to choose between the lesser of two evils it's hard to effect change. 9/11 was terrible but the government's reaction has gone on for so long and has gotten so far off track that it is scaring other countries. Having the only remaining superpower think everyone is out to get them is not conducive to a healthy global relationship. I don't think anyone outside of the US believes that Iraq was anything other than Bush Jr. getting revenge for Bush Sr.. People on the outside that dreamed of moving to America are wondering what the hell is happening. They've gone from envy to pity. Basic liberties and freedoms are being eroded so badly that people wonder if they are better off staying in their own country. The land of the free ain't no more. The longest undefended border in the world is between the US and Canada. Not even a fence. There are border towns in the US that rely on Canadian tourism for their survival, being that something like 75% of the population of Canada is within a one hour drive of the border. It used to be crossing that border only required a birth certificate and photo id like a drivers license, now the US will soon be enforcing a passports only rule. To go from best buddies, to being treated like a suspected terrorist, to also having to have pay for a passport every five years, when all you wanted to do was buy some cheap booze and go to Hardees once or twice a year is a little hard to take. Other options such as adding citizenship information to drivers licenses was offered to the US government, they didn't want to consider it. This is how the US is treating its friends. With polls showing less than 50% of Canadians would be willing to get a passport solely for the purpose of US access, the border towns are panicking. No one cares if thousands of people lose their jobs, it's all in the name of security so suck it up. The border is still undefended, there is still no fence. Again, the perception people have of America != the perception people have of Americans. If they want to change the way outsiders currently view them, they will, but change is slow. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-331366 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted March 24, 2007 Share Posted March 24, 2007 last i checked no one is really making an issue of the us/canada border even though that's where the majority of the 9/11 terrorists crossed in to the us. I'm not against canada mind you i love spending a couple of weeks in the summer up there. All I ever seen on tv is the mexico border being an issue not because of terrorism in my opinion, but racism against mexicans. Curious how a state issue for texas is now a national issue being brought into the news by the former governor of that state. And the dislike of america does reflect on how certain people treat americans. I wasn't born in america but the last time I visited family in ireland my mixed british/american accent stopped me from being served in a pub and a political argument ensued. Now I'll grant you this was an isolated incident and doesn't reflect irish/american sentiment but you have to admit when you don't have the perspective and understanding that each individual isn't responsible for their government's actions things like this happen. People act out against individuals all the time, it's not right but it happens. All I've got to say is Clinton was impeached for a getting a knob job in the oval office meanwhile bush's destruction continues in several nations, he's put the world on edge, his actions killed millions (even if some were indirectly) and created even more turmoil in a region that has been like that for 5000 years. And for what? nothing! all under the guise of bringing those responsible for 9/11 to justice... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-331388 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 last i checked no one is really making an issue of the us/canada border even though that's where the majority of the 9/11 terrorists crossed in to the us. I'm not against canada mind you i love spending a couple of weeks in the summer up there. All I ever seen on tv is the mexico border being an issue not because of terrorism in my opinion, but racism against mexicans. Curious how a state issue for texas is now a national issue being brought into the news by the former governor of that state. And the dislike of america does reflect on how certain people treat americans. I wasn't born in america but the last time I visited family in ireland my mixed british/american accent stopped me from being served in a pub and a political argument ensued. Now I'll grant you this was an isolated incident and doesn't reflect irish/american sentiment but you have to admit when you don't have the perspective and understanding that each individual isn't responsible for their government's actions things like this happen. People act out against individuals all the time, it's not right but it happens. All I've got to say is Clinton was impeached for a getting a knob job in the oval office meanwhile bush's destruction continues in several nations, he's put the world on edge, his actions killed millions (even if some were indirectly) and created even more turmoil in a region that has been like that for 5000 years. And for what? nothing! all under the guise of bringing those responsible for 9/11 to justice... The quickest way to stop Mexicans is to invest into making Mexico a better place to live (nobody leaves their own country if they are doing just fine in it...in general anyway). We can spend billions of dollars building huge walls and gun towers, but it wont do a damn thing, people will still find a way to get around. And in the mean time people will only hate us more for doing it As for the middle East, the best way to get rid of terrorists there is for us to stay out of their business, they only have hate for us because they are a little crazy religion wise (the extremists) AND of our history toward them, if we treat them (regular Muslims) like friends, with respect instead of condemnation and prejudice, I think we would have FAR better results on a much more modest budget. Everybody wins, even most of the rich bastards out there.... But alas, if you are a rich {censored}, only one rich {censored} matters at all...you. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-332210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgrimes80 Posted March 25, 2007 Share Posted March 25, 2007 9/11 was terrible but the government's reaction has gone on for so long and has gotten so far off track that it is scaring other countries. Having the only remaining superpower think everyone is out to get them is not conducive to a healthy global relationship. I don't think anyone outside of the US believes that Iraq was anything other than Bush Jr. getting revenge for Bush Sr.. People on the outside that dreamed of moving to America are wondering what the hell is happening. They've gone from envy to pity. Basic liberties and freedoms are being eroded so badly that people wonder if they are better off staying in their own country. The land of the free ain't no more. http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm (founded in 1997) take a look at it's supporters... then recall who was in office. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_t..._administration (click Bush Administration) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-332229 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 wow jgrimes80, Bush's foreign policy follows right along with the PNAC's policy. It doesn't make sense to me but he's blindly following it. That whole policy sounded much like what I would have expected from the nazi's and the third reich. Propelling 'our' supremacy by building on defense spending and aggressive foreign policy to go after the 'enemies' by directly engaging them (sound much like what's going on with iran and obviously what happened with iraq). damn him and all of his neoconservative buddies. Oh and on the PNAC's website, i dont' recall anything written about africa??? there's quite a bit of blood being shed over there but i think bush has made it evident as to how he feels aboutblack people (katrina?). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-340139 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proteo Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 The quickest way to stop Mexicans is to invest into making Mexico a better place to live (nobody leaves their own country if they are doing just fine in it...in general anyway). We can spend billions of dollars building huge walls and gun towers, but it wont do a damn thing, people will still find a way to get around. And in the mean time people will only hate us more for doing it Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more killbot. That could be a solution, only if the wealth created by such investment could be distributed in a much more fair maneer. Right now, the third wealthier man in the world is a mexican, Carlos Slim. Their earnings were about 15 billion dollars just the past year. He owns compaines all around the globe. According to Fortune, if that trend continues, he will be the richest person in the world in just a few years. And 20 years ago, he wasn't among the richest men of their neighbourhood. How did he do to became so rich so fast? Well, he had the help of the corrupt mexican authorities, who literally gave away to him very important state-owned companies less than two decades ago. He had the help of a system shaped to make rich people richer, an poor people poorer. He had the help of political parties looking for their political interests, and worried in nothing but keeping their privileges. He had the help of neoliberal macro-economic policies dictated from the World Bank and the IMF, controled by who? Washington. Did you know that less than the 2% of the economically active population owns the 85% of the whealth in México? So, do you want big companies to start investing huge amounts of money in secure, reliable companies in México? These are not mexican companies, these are only big corporations that will take away their earnings to keep happy their shareholders somewhere in the USA, Europe o Asia. Do you know that by now, there is not a single bank operating in Mexico that is not owned by the foreign capital? Not a single one!! And we are paying the most costly and at the same time worst accounting services in the world! We don't need more money given to the same as always, what we need is to change the rules of the game. Start giving people more control over their own lives, providing education, good healt services, well-paid, long-term and reliable work sources. Do you realize that the mexican gardener in your backyard earns much more dinero than regular teachers at public universities? Why's that? It is not because we need more investments made in the big, foreign companies that already own half of Mexico. We need to rebuild our own country based on fair, healty economic policies, but most important, made for the benefit of the mexicans, not for the big names at the NYSE. And, sadly, that's the very same scenario in almost all Latinamerica. Excuse the rant, now back on topic. Do you usa-americans really care about what the world think about you? I'm starting to believe that you don't give a damn... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-340184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kernalzero Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Proteo - In defense of killbot he never stated how money should be invested in mexico. I can't speak for him though so i'll let him defend his stance. I've always believed in the old saying ' if you give a man a fish, you'll feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you'll feed him for a lifetime.' If I know anything about government, and I'm in medicine so my knowledge is limited but, all governments are corrupt. Businesses are out for one thing...profit. If you want to invest in a nation like mexico, I agree with you proteo investing in mexico or any other nation should not involve cooperations but rather social improvement. Education, health care, and methods to improve their own infrastructure such as energy, waste management without bringing in outside contractors to do the work. and in response to your comment asking whether americans care about what the rest of the world thinks...do all mexicans want to leave mexico and come to the US? no...you can't judge a population on what it's government does or on the actions of a few. I didn't vote for bush and I don't agree with his policies so don't tell me who I do and don't care for. What do you do to improve mexico and fight the corruption? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-340218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I don't have time to ready everyone's post but I just want to say that I don't know a single person who's view hasn't worsened. It's a sad fact but it's true because of Guantanamo, Extraordinary Rendition, Iraq, WMD,... And to think, the entire world was behind them after 9/11. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-340242 Share on other sites More sharing options...
killbot1000 Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Sorry, but I couldn't disagree more killbot. That could be a solution, only if the wealth created by such investment could be distributed in a much more fair maneer. Right now, the third wealthier man in the world is a mexican, Carlos Slim. Their earnings were about 15 billion dollars just the past year. He owns compaines all around the globe. According to Fortune, if that trend continues, he will be the richest person in the world in just a few years. And 20 years ago, he wasn't among the richest men of their neighbourhood. How did he do to became so rich so fast? Well, he had the help of the corrupt mexican authorities, who literally gave away to him very important state-owned companies less than two decades ago. He had the help of a system shaped to make rich people richer, an poor people poorer. He had the help of political parties looking for their political interests, and worried in nothing but keeping their privileges. He had the help of neoliberal macro-economic policies dictated from the World Bank and the IMF, controled by who? Washington. Did you know that less than the 2% of the economically active population owns the 85% of the whealth in México? So, do you want big companies to start investing huge amounts of money in secure, reliable companies in México? These are not mexican companies, these are only big corporations that will take away their earnings to keep happy their shareholders somewhere in the USA, Europe o Asia. Do you know that by now, there is not a single bank operating in Mexico that is not owned by the foreign capital? Not a single one!! And we are paying the most costly and at the same time worst accounting services in the world! We don't need more money given to the same as always, what we need is to change the rules of the game. Start giving people more control over their own lives, providing education, good healt services, well-paid, long-term and reliable work sources. Do you realize that the mexican gardener in your backyard earns much more dinero than regular teachers at public universities? Why's that? It is not because we need more investments made in the big, foreign companies that already own half of Mexico. We need to rebuild our own country based on fair, healty economic policies, but most important, made for the benefit of the mexicans, not for the big names at the NYSE. And, sadly, that's the very same scenario in almost all Latinamerica. Excuse the rant, now back on topic. Do you usa-americans really care about what the world think about you? I'm starting to believe that you don't give a damn... When i said invest, I didnt necessarily mean money and companies (god knows I hate big companies and the concentration of wealth into fewer and fewer hands). When I said invest, I meant exactly what YOU said: Change the rules of the game, Start giving people more control over their own lives, EDUCATION, HEALTH CARE, WELL PAID RELIABLE JOBS. I know that the word "invest" has connotations of money, but I did not mean this at all. From your post, it seems as if we agree 100% I don't have time to ready everyone's post but I just want to say that I don't know a single person who's view hasn't worsened. It's a sad fact but it's true because of Guantanamo, Extraordinary Rendition, Iraq, WMD,... And to think, the entire world was behind them after 9/11. I admit we have a lot of idiots in our country, but at worst its 50/50. There are a lot of people in the US who feel the same way you do. All we can do is hope for the best next election time Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-340268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Proteo Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Proteo - In defense of killbot he never stated how money should be invested in mexico. I can't speak for him though so i'll let him defend his stance. Absolutely right kernalzero, I assumed wrongly that he meant the "usual" kind of investment done these days, thing that he never stated. and in response to your comment asking whether americans care about what the rest of the world thinks...do all mexicans want to leave mexico and come to the US? no...you can't judge a population on what it's government does or on the actions of a few. I didn't vote for bush and I don't agree with his policies so don't tell me who I do and don't care for. I apologize if I offended you, it was never my intention to do so. As you can imagine, english is not my native language so my wording is very deficient sometimes, so let me elaborate it. Sure, I cannot judge (I don't do it) the entire population. Overseas, the perception of what's going on in the USA is built mainly through readings, internet, news and TV. And throug these means, I don't perceive worries about your image as a country, but only desperate attemps to find a decent way to get out off the troubles your government put yourselves in with minimum damage. One thing that has been shocking to me, is that nobody in the US seems to care anymore for the reasons of the war. All what matters the most these days is to find the best way to leave Iraq. Reps and Dems are engaged in a fight to leave the responsability over the others shoulders. Here is a very interesting question: What if Bushes plan would have worked in Iraq, and your troops would have returned home safe and within the six months of the original plan? Would be Bush the villain or the hero? I bet, nobody would have ever heard about impeaching Bush. He would have be worshipped as the greatest president of the United States. However, in the rest of the world people still mad (very, very upset) about the reasons of starting the war in first place. Everybody remembers clearly how your mass media happily swapped you the reasons to go to war. Nobody believed the lies about massive destruction weapons then (except usa-americans and maybe some brits) and nobody believes'em now. However, you just forgot about it. What do you do to improve mexico and fight the corruption? I have to recognize that you got me. It would be quite easy to make up a story that would put me like a devoted citizen. I'm not, but I'm not the worst either. And I've done my homework, I didn't vote for the current president. That's something:D Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/45989-has-the-worlds-view-of-america-been-the-worst-it-has-ever-been/#findComment-340271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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