jwalker46 Posted June 11, 2006 Share Posted June 11, 2006 greggh, Which of the partitions are Primary partitions? (Thank you for your reply.) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-127923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted June 12, 2006 Author Share Posted June 12, 2006 jwalker46 and greggh thanks a lot for your help. Can I just get this right. 1. GRUB is basically the thing that gives you a boot loader which is better looking than Darwin? 2. And also there is no actual program called GRUB? Other programs like WinGrub help create GRUB when you install it? 3. When you say WinGrub is windows based, does that mean you install it from windows and control it there? 4. And also is CentOS basically the Linux OS? And installing it will help setup GRUB a bit like Darwin does with OSX I think according to: After I have both OS's installed I'm going to boot off a linux cd and install a distro of linux (I'm using CentOS) and create new partitions for that using it's installer. Installing linux will automatically set up GRUB - the bootloader AND If you set up GRUB, which I would highly reccommend - just download a Linux distro (I'm using CentOS, since I know it works) 5. If I’m never going to use Linux is there still a reason I would rather install CentOS instead of WinGrub? I mean do you really only install CentOS if you want to use Linux or are there other reasons? 6. Which is better? Thanks a lot for the help guys. Really means a lot. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-128348 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwalker46 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Can I just get this right. Maybe. Just maybe. 1. GRUB is basically the thing that gives you a boot loader which is better looking than Darwin? No!!! GRUB is a boot loader. Please go to the URL I posted and read it (that is not a snippy comment, it is a constructive suggestion.) 2. And also there is no actual program called GRUB? Other programs like WinGrub help create GRUB when you install it? Yes, of course there is an actual program (software) called GRUB. WinGrub and Acronis Boot Manager ar also programs. Actually, there are several other boot loaders around, such as GAG, LILO, and Smart Boot Manager. (Do a Google search, I don't have URLs handy.) They all do the same thing, except each is a little different -- just as each word processing software (Word, OO Writer, WordPerfect) is different from the others. GRUB runs only under Linux. WinGrub runs only under Windows. 3. When you say WinGrub is windows based, does that mean you install it from windows and control it there? Yes !!!! 4. And also is CentOS basically the Linux OS? CentOS is one of literally several hundred Linux "distributions" (operating systems bundled w/utility and application software. 5. If I’m never going to use Linux is there still a reason I would rather install CentOS instead of WinGrub? No !!! 6. Which is better? Ah, you got me....which of WHAT is better?????? Bootloader? My guess from your questions is that you will be more comfortable with WinGrub or Acronis, simply because the GUI (screen) is close to Windows, which I assume is what you use today. p.s. it is very frustrating to try to learn this stuff via forums; they are great for very specific questions. So......be patient! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-128395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GV27 Posted June 12, 2006 Share Posted June 12, 2006 Perhaps different wording will help you? As stated, GRUB is a bootloader. What is a bootloader? A bootloader pops up when you turn your computer on and asks "what OS do you want to boot?" and/or boots a default OS. Never used it, but apprarently WinGRUB is GRUB that is installable and manageable from Windows. I guess if the thought of using Linux makes you twitch, WinGRUB is for you. There is no single Linux OS. Linux is a kernel on which many, many distributions are created. CentOS is based on Redhat Linux. What advantages it has over Redhat Fedora Core 4, I do not know. But the Redhat variants are the best - or at least most common - supported Linux Operating Systems. Whatever variant of Linux you use, it will be one of the choices that Grub gives you when it asks "what OS do you want to boot?". Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-128570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted June 13, 2006 Author Share Posted June 13, 2006 So there is an actual program called GRUB also? Sorry guys, I just assumed the name is a category because everyone kept saying "it sets up GRUB". GRUB runs only under Linux. So installing GRUB doesn't install a dist of Linux the way installing CentOS does? You only install the program GRUB if you have Linux and want to set up a boot loader. I.e. it’s exactly like WinGrub for Windows. It doesn't install Windows either but uses its platform? --- What's a Linux Swap? Just interested. Guys thanks a lot for your help. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-128903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rammjet Posted June 13, 2006 Share Posted June 13, 2006 Swap is where the virtual memory files reside. In Linux, it is a separate partition. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-128906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1976 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Hey Ace. Thanks a lot for your answer. My question would be for anyone here: Can you prepare a HD on another computer, lets say a SATA, format it as a FAT32, then mount (phisically install it) it on your OSX system and do a fresh installation like you would on a regular PC with Windows? Like boot form JaS CD and install directly on that HD? I appreciate the time to review my question... BTW, here is what I'm putting together for my "MAC". Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-131738 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted June 19, 2006 Author Share Posted June 19, 2006 I have to be honest. Maybe it’s just me but I didn't get your question fully. I'm assuming you want what most people who are here come looking for. The big question. No not the one about life. Or even ilife but about how you can install OSX on a PC. In your case it seems a little like me you want to install OSX into a blank DH (please correct me if I’m wrong). The way to go from what I’ve read and the posts on this thread also is that you require a bootable cd with an partition manager. GParted Live is one option. With it you can set the HD ready by creating partitions and having them in the format you want. Then continue with the OSX DVD. And hopefully in the end you will have a fully working Hackingtosh. (Just love that word) AcePlayer Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-131924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1976 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 ...GParted Live is one option. With it you can set the HD ready by creating partitions and having them in the format you want. Then continue with the OSX DVD. And hopefully in the end you will have a fully working Hackingtosh. (Just love that word) AcePlayer Thanks a lot bro! Must I set more than one partition? Can I just have one with OSX and that's it? Why would I do that? I don't know, but I would if I could... GParted looks pretty much like PM...doesn't it? Seems pretty good though. It seems like it allows you to create a hfs partition form scratch, am I rigth? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-131995 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mebster Posted June 19, 2006 Author Share Posted June 19, 2006 You don't need to set more than one partition due to the fact that you're only installing OSX on your system and nothing else. But i would recommend it highly. Mainly because having a second partition will allow you to store/backup all your main data (work, movies, songs, etc) there. And if your main OSX system became unstable and needed a format or you wanted to install the latest OSX version (like OS X 10.4.7) then all you need to do it format the main system partition. That way it wouldn't affect your data in your partition 2. That's what i always do in windows and dont see any reason not to do the same with a Mac. I've never used GParted but from what i've heard it seem to do the job. It seems to be exactly what you need. Give it a try anyway. Since you're using it on a new system there's nothing to lose. I'm in the Apple Store Regent Street, London writing this. LOL. If they knew what i'm helping to do. Security would be escorting me out. The MBP i'm using is messed up. It isn't loading appz properly. What does that say? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-132110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
martin1976 Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 I'm in the Apple Store Regent Street, London writing this. LOL. If they knew what i'm helping to do. Security would be escorting me out. The MBP i'm using is messed up. It isn't loading appz properly. What does that say? Hey dude, thanks! Check this out: Do Macs Crash More? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/17390-installing-osx-and-then-xp-on-blank-hd/page/2/#findComment-132125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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