Nvidia 9800 GTX+, full QE/CI but still choppy graphics

[bf2loser]

System Specs

 

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L Mobo

Intel C2D Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz

6 Gigs corsair ram at 1066Mhz

Nvidia 9800 GTX+, 512Mb Ram

iPc 10.5.6

 

 

I installed using the latest iPc disk and had my resolution but no QE/CI, so I played around with nvinject a little, aqua-mac's installer, and finally gfx strings and got it workin, says it has full QE/CI and openGl and hardware support and all that, but my minimize effects are choppy about 80% of the time and its kinda slow, slower than it used to be. I know there were some graphics changes in like 10.5.4 or 10.5.5, but I wasn't sure how much of an effect they made since 10.5.2. anyways, I was just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem and if theres a way to fix it?

[Gringo Vermelho]

9800GTX + works with the graphics kexts from 10.5.6, there is no need to install anything else.

 

All you need is a device properties string in com.apple.boot.plist.

 

OSX86Tools by PCWiz has one for the 9800GTX+ built-in.

 

After adding the string don't forget to delete nvinject before you reboot.

[bf2loser]

sorry, by gfx string i meant device property string. thats what I did, and like i said, 20% of the time it works great, but the other 80% it is choppy and slow. I had the same problem with my 8600gt back in the day, but it was never as bad as this is.

[Gringo Vermelho]

The choppiness could be from timing issues with kernel/CPU.

Do you have any speedstepping kext installed?

 

Try the Voodoo 9.5.0 Kernel:

http://code.google.com/p/xnu-dev/

 

Along with Voodoopower.kext:

http://www.superhai.com/darwin.html

[bf2loser]

hmm no I just installed both of those, didn't seem to make any difference. but I just realized in my originial post i said i have

Intel C2D Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz

 

which kinda might lead you to believe i have a dual core, its actually a quad core though lol

[So?Crates]

System Specs

 

Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3L Mobo

Intel C2D Q6600 @ 2.4Ghz

6 Gigs corsair ram at 1066Mhz

Nvidia 9800 GTX+, 512Mb Ram

iPc 10.5.6

 

 

I installed using the latest iPc disk and had my resolution but no QE/CI, so I played around with nvinject a little, aqua-mac's installer, and finally gfx strings and got it workin, says it has full QE/CI and openGl and hardware support and all that, but my minimize effects are choppy about 80% of the time and its kinda slow, slower than it used to be. I know there were some graphics changes in like 10.5.4 or 10.5.5, but I wasn't sure how much of an effect they made since 10.5.2. anyways, I was just wondering if anyone else is having the same problem and if theres a way to fix it?

 

 

My main HD had 10.6 installed via Kakewalk. It enabled pretty much everything, minus wireless. It's the fasted way to install because there's no need for a time consuming patched thumb drive. You put the bootloader on a DVD and swap for the OSX disc at startup.

 

In an unmodded update from base 10.6 to 10.6.3 combo update, my EVGA 9800 GTX+ works well in both QE/CI and gives full res on the main screen. But there is no dual monitor support. I tested the stock drivers on the card using Cinebench. Test came back great except that Open GL is at about 45% of the test base standard.

 

Just to give it a whirl, I booted up my iDeneb 10.5.8 that I have on a second HD. Card was fully supported with dual screens. However, tested the card again with Cinebench, and OpenGL was at about 150%. Wow.

 

I've tried various methods without any success for getting full card support in snow 10.6.3. with this card. Now for the pisser -

 

I went and downloaded Lifehacker's installer. It's for a similar board, but includes the kexts and whatnot built in for this card. I wen't through the drawn out process of putting OSX on a thumb drive, and installed his updater to the thumb. I crossed my fingers that, while my board lacks RAID, that the boards may be similar enough.

 

THE GREAT - machine booted right up. You could see that even on the Apple boot screen that it was the correct res and the card came up fully supported without hacking on my part. It even spanned instantly to my TV, also hooked up. It gave full options for my TV as well.

 

THE BAD - Once OS X realizes you're not running the board that Lifehacker suggested, it KPs at about the 3 minute mark.

 

So that's where I'm stuck right now. The Kakewalk method gives me a perfectly functional machine, but no easy way to enable full support on the card. The Lifehacker method gives me full support for the video, but trashes on my board.

 

I've put in a kind request to Lifehacker to make a standalone installer for the 9800GTX+ that can target 4-5 popular boards - but so far no response. It's unfortunate that the Lifehacker installer is an "all or nothing" type tool. Even tried opening it in Pacifist to see if I could extract anything for just video. No go.

 

Anyone have any suggestions at this point?

 

Thanks

[Beerkex'd]

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php...t&p=1450502

[So?Crates]

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php...t&p=1450502

 

 

Using Kakewalk again, I was able to get it to recognize the card. It was fully supported in 10.6 and 10.6.1 this time around. As soon as I jump to 10.6.3, with both TV and monitor connected, it drops second DVI support and gives dual black screens. No matter the version of 10.6.X, the system is still recognizing the card as a 9800 GTX+ and displays ID of 0613. I still have QC/CL and full res for the main monitor under 10.6.3.

 

So far I've tried [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url]'s as well as just manually downloading and installing the NV-64 kext, both with no changed result.

 

I have investigated Project X, but no one details the EVGA version of the 9800 GTX+. Project X did detail one GTX+ but it's like yours... ID 0612. Mine is 0613. I picked up the card on recommendation from forms suggesting it was one of the easier ones for compatibility.

 

Currently, under 10.6.3...

 

Just to see what would happen, I disconnected my monitor and plugged the HDTV into the first DVI. As it went to log in to the finder, the screen went blank. It was unable to provide the necessary resolution for the TV.

 

I've tried editing the kexts myself for resman and 50, but both times I appear to be messing it up and it KPs the OS on bootup. If anyone can direct me to where I can either get the proper info to plug in and and a how-to, or be willing to post patched files for the EVGA 9800gtx+, I'd be very grateful. If I need to patch the DSDT, please specify what I need, etc.

 

I'd have posted my questions on Project OS X, but they've locked out the relevant form to only primary members.

 

I was previously booting with the base CMOS installed and have upgraded to Catari. The graphics situation has remained unchanged throughout either original CMOS or new.

 

 

 

Here's what Profiler currently shows:

 

GeForce 9800 GTX+:

 

Chipset Model: GeForce 9800 GTX+

Type: GPU

Bus: PCIe

Slot: Slot-1

PCIe Lane Width: x16

VRAM (Total): 512 MB

Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)

Device ID: 0x0613

Revision ID: 0x00a2

ROM Revision: xx.xx.xx - internal (on one install, I think with Lifehacker, this came up as NVidia -------- DSDT)

Displays:

SyncMaster:

Resolution: 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz

Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)

Main Display: Yes

Mirror: Off

Online: Yes

Rotation: Supported

Display Connector:

Status: No Display Connected

[Cypher-DR]

Using Kakewalk again, I was able to get it to recognize the card. It was fully supported in 10.6 and 10.6.1 this time around. As soon as I jump to 10.6.3, with both TV and monitor connected, it drops second DVI support and gives dual black screens. No matter the version of 10.6.X, the system is still recognizing the card as a 9800 GTX+ and displays ID of 0613. I still have QC/CL and full res for the main monitor under 10.6.3.

 

So far I've tried [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url]'s as well as just manually downloading and installing the NV-64 kext, both with no changed result.

 

I have investigated Project X, but no one details the EVGA version of the 9800 GTX+. Project X did detail one GTX+ but it's like yours... ID 0612. Mine is 0613. I picked up the card on recommendation from forms suggesting it was one of the easier ones for compatibility.

 

Currently, under 10.6.3...

 

Just to see what would happen, I disconnected my monitor and plugged the HDTV into the first DVI. As it went to log in to the finder, the screen went blank. It was unable to provide the necessary resolution for the TV.

 

I've tried editing the kexts myself for resman and 50, but both times I appear to be messing it up and it KPs the OS on bootup. If anyone can direct me to where I can either get the proper info to plug in and and a how-to, or be willing to post patched files for the EVGA 9800gtx+, I'd be very grateful. If I need to patch the DSDT, please specify what I need, etc.

 

I'd have posted my questions on Project OS X, but they've locked out the relevant form to only primary members.

 

I was previously booting with the base CMOS installed and have upgraded to Catari. The graphics situation has remained unchanged throughout either original CMOS or new.

 

 

 

Here's what Profiler currently shows:

 

GeForce 9800 GTX+:

 

Chipset Model: GeForce 9800 GTX+

Type: GPU

Bus: PCIe

Slot: Slot-1

PCIe Lane Width: x16

VRAM (Total): 512 MB

Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)

Device ID: 0x0613

Revision ID: 0x00a2

ROM Revision: xx.xx.xx - internal (on one install, I think with Lifehacker, this came up as NVidia -------- DSDT)

Displays:

SyncMaster:

Resolution: 1600 x 1200 @ 60 Hz

Pixel Depth: 32-Bit Color (ARGB8888)

Main Display: Yes

Mirror: Off

Online: Yes

Rotation: Supported

Display Connector:

Status: No Display Connected

 

Hello (So?Crates),

 

i tried iDeneb v1.6 10.5.8 Lite Edition and it worked on first install, I have intermittent kernel panics (crashes) when I tried to use Safari after first install (nForce Ethernet driver)...so I installed again..but cannot get ethernet to work...hardware is identified...but no web...yet. Below is the hardware.

 

Installed with maxmem=2048 bootflag (otherwise kernel panic before install completes)

 

I know you have a 9800 GTX, but this may work for you. Flawless graphics!!

 

 

 

 

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 2.8 ghz

MB: ASUS P5N-D (NVidia 750i chipset)

HDD: 120 GB Western Digital SATA

VGA: NVidia 9800 GT 512 MB (fully supported)

Display: Samsung SyncMaster 2232 BW

KB/Mouse: Microsoft Wireless USB KB/Mouse

Memory: OCZ (2x) 2GB DDRII (4GB total)

Distro: iDeneb v1.6 10.5.8

[Beerkex'd]

I'd have posted my questions on Project OS X, but they've locked out the relevant form to only primary members.

No they haven't. There's something you need to do before you can post.

[So?Crates]

Hello (So?Crates),

 

i tried iDeneb v1.6 10.5.8 Lite Edition and it worked on first install, I have intermittent kernel panics (crashes) when I tried to use Safari after first install (nForce Ethernet driver)...so I installed again..but cannot get ethernet to work...hardware is identified...but no web...yet. Below is the hardware.

 

Installed with maxmem=2048 bootflag (otherwise kernel panic before install completes)

 

I know you have a 9800 GTX, but this may work for you. Flawless graphics!!

 

 

 

 

CPU: Intel Core 2 Duo E7400 2.8 ghz

MB: ASUS P5N-D (NVidia 750i chipset)

HDD: 120 GB Western Digital SATA

VGA: NVidia 9800 GT 512 MB (fully supported)

Display: Samsung SyncMaster 2232 BW

KB/Mouse: Microsoft Wireless USB KB/Mouse

Memory: OCZ (2x) 2GB DDRII (4GB total)

Distro: iDeneb v1.6 10.5.8

 

I'm not entirely sure I follow. Are you suggesting I run 10.5.8 instead of Snow, or are you suggesting I pluck certain files from it and built that into Snow?

 

Either way, I've actually tried both. 10.5.8 ran faster on my GB board because the card was fully supported. I had it still installed on a second HD. Going back to the main HD, I added several components from the iDeneb and monitor "go boom" in Snow.

 

I'd prefer to run Snow, as I've made the investment with the new GB board and video card.

 

9800GTX + works with the graphics kexts from 10.5.6, there is no need to install anything else.

 

All you need is a device properties string in com.apple.boot.plist.

 

OSX86Tools by PCWiz has one for the 9800GTX+ built-in.

 

After adding the string don't forget to delete nvinject before you reboot.

 

Ok, so do I use the 9800GTX string, because there is no string for the plus version in X86tools.

 

Second, what files do I need to bring over from 10.5.8 and do I put said files in ENTRAS for the real Extensions folder?

 

 

Thanks

[Beerkex'd]

Yes, you can use the 9800 GTX string from OSX86Tools or EFI studio, you can use a DSDT Patch, ATY_Init.kext or NVEnabler.

 

Don't use files from 10.5.x - you are quoting a post from March 2009 - Snow Leopard didn't exist then.

 

Go back to the Project OSX and read the whole NVEnabler thread. Especially read about "display-cfg" value and NVCAP value, those are very important to get proper dual monitor support.

 

You should know that you can not use more than two displays at once with an Nvidia card in OS X. I have all three outputs working, my card has 2xDVI and analog TV-out. I use a VGA monitor (with an adapter) and a DVI monitor. The only thing that doesn't work right is hotplugging, if I want to watch something on the TV I have to reboot. Hotplugging from TV back to 2nd monitor works, but not the other way.

 

No matter what injection method you use, your device ID must be present in NVDAResman.kext and NVDANV50Hal.kext.

 

Copy the kexts to the desktop, make a backup copy, make the edits, copy the edited ones back, run Terminal.app and fix permissions..

sudo -s (and your password)
chown -R root:wheel /System/Library/Extensions
chmod -R go=u-w /System/Library/Extensions
touch /System/Library/Extensions/

..and reboot.

[Cypher-DR]

I'm not entirely sure I follow. Are you suggesting I run 10.5.8 instead of Snow, or are you suggesting I pluck certain files from it and built that into Snow?

 

Either way, I've actually tried both. 10.5.8 ran faster on my GB board because the card was fully supported. I had it still installed on a second HD. Going back to the main HD, I added several components from the iDeneb and monitor "go boom" in Snow.

 

I'd prefer to run Snow, as I've made the investment with the new GB board and video card.

 

 

 

Ok, so do I use the 9800GTX string, because there is no string for the plus version in X86tools.

 

Second, what files do I need to bring over from 10.5.8 and do I put said files in ENTRAS for the real Extensions folder?

 

 

Thanks

 

Hello So?Crates, I apologize for the confusion as I thought this was a Leopard forum. I cannot confirm if this will work in Snow Leopard, but if you don't mind trying......here it is:

 

 

 

1) Install whatever distro of Snow Leopard you have and do not select to install VGA drivers when making driver selections.

 

2) Once you have successfully booted into Snow Leo, restart with iDeneb v1.6 10.5.8 Lite Edition and make no selections other than the following:

 

A:

 

B:

 

3) Make sure that you select the NVDarwin that matches your VGA and if all goes well you will be prompted to "Restart".

 

4) Cross your fingers and boot Snow Leo with -f noot flag to ignore boot caches and you may/may not be in business.

 

 

 

Again, I have not successfully installed Snow Leo yet, I have a distro released by "Hazard" that contains updates 10.6.1 and 10.6.2 respectively. I get nothing but KP or no gfx (black screen) on every attempt, any advice is welcome. Thanks for responding.

[Beerkex'd]

Yes, this is the non-Snow Leopard forum, So?crates posted in the wrong place.

 

The problem is that his device ID (0613) is missing in NVDAResman.kext. I have already provided the solution several times.

 

Be very careful when installing something that was meant for 10.5.x on 10.6.x. And be even more careful when telling others to do so.

Personally I wouldn't touch that "NVidiaID" thing with a 10 foot pole, do you know what it does?

For example, if it replaces the .plists in the nvidia drivers with .plists from 10.5.x it will completely break the nvidia drivers on Snow Leopard.

[Cypher-DR]

Yes, this is the non-Snow Leopard forum, So?crates posted in the wrong place.

 

The problem is that his device ID (0613) is missing in NVDAResman.kext. I have already provided the solution several times.

 

Be very careful when installing something that was meant for 10.5.x on 10.6.x. And be even more careful when telling others to do so.

Personally I wouldn't touch that "NVidiaID" thing with a 10 foot pole, do you know what it does?

For example, if it replaces the .plists in the nvidia drivers with .plists from 10.5.x it will completely break the nvidia drivers on Snow Leopard.

 

Thanks for the advice (as I did ask for it in my post), I appreciate you providing a solution and also elaborating on it. I did not know the implications of what I explained, but did mention that I myself have not done it.