The Useful idiot

[bofors]

 

I had never seen this before, but I find it hilarious.

 

More generally speaking, I don't understand the "useless idiots" who try to destroy Obama, and not a word about Bush, by far one the worst presidents you ever had.

 

I think that if you rise above the "liberal" (US Democrat) versus "conservative" (US Republican) divide & conquer technique that the ruling elite have in place, you will find the differences are pretty trivial.

 

Otherwise, the Democratic party is owned by Wall St. banksters, they created Obama. On other the "side", the US oil industry created the Bush regime. The military-industrial-complex exerts significant control over both sides.

 

Finally, it should be noted that the pattern for Republican presidents is indeed useful idiots to believe their simple "conservative" message:

 

Ronald Reagan

George W. Bush

Sarah Palin

 

 

On the other hand , Democratic presidents need to be slick fraudsters to sell their more complicated "liberal" ideas:

 

Bill Clinton

Barack Obama

 

Isn't Tarpley one of those 9/11 conspiracy theorists?

 

Look, I actually like you... but if have not figured out that 9/11 was a false-flag operation yet, you need to stop hanging around InsanelyMac and get some help.

 

Start here:

http://www.ae911truth.org/ppt_web/ppt_selection.php

 

More decision making based on unsubstantiated fear. Wonderful. Just what the world needs more of.

 

Oh please...

[Alessandro17]

Hi bofors

 

You know that I like and admire you. I built 3 of my hackintoshes just by following your simple guides.

 

So I want to understand.

 

You say that "liberals" and "conservatives" are basically the same.

Problem is that from a European point of view the results of what the "liberals" do seem more palatable.

 

So, if both are bad, what could the solution be?

 

In Italy we have people (Like Mr. Beppe Grillo, http://www.beppegrillo.it/en/ ) who say that all politicians are "bad" and corrupt. Fair enough, they might even be right. But trouble is, I can't see a possible, feasible solution.

[FKA]

Actually... mp3228 is right on the money. Obama is very contradictory, yet both you two don't care to do your own damn research, or you love socialism ruining everyone else's chance at the American Dream. Seriously, if you hate what America stands for so much, why don't you just move to Canada or something. Sheesh...

 

 

Guru

 

 

Here's some interesting and highly relevant reading for you:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

 

those god damn Commies' ... goin' n' taking over everything A'mirkin

[Generic George]

Look, I actually like you... but if have not figured out that 9/11 was a false-flag operation yet, you need to stop hanging around InsanelyMac and get some help.

 

Well you really should take your own advice and get some help Bofors, but for pretty much exactly the opposite reason.

 

Start here:

http://www.ae911truth.org/ppt_web/ppt_selection.php

 

Or Solaar could go here

 

Resources for debunking 9/11 Conspiracy Theories

 

and get an education in reality and not get sucked into nutty conspiracy theories. Boy I wished I'd known about them before I started arguing with these nutters, would have saved me a lot of time.

[Zilliano]

To be honest, I'm not sure why people take so much of their time to argue about presidents. It's not as if they hold that much power to begin with. Sure, they choose their cabinet and such, but in the end it's left up to the decisions of the Congress whether or not things happen in this Country.

That, and people are constantly afraid of one president changing everything.... Which of course is not only improbable but also impossible. That, and if anything large even STARTED to change, a revolution would break out before we let ourselves get smacked down under someone else's rule. I mean, seriously.

 

If there's one thing Americans are, it's stubborn. We HATE change. XD

[Generic George]

To be honest, I'm not sure why people take so much of their time to argue about presidents. It's not as if they hold that much power to begin with. Sure, they choose their cabinet and such, but in the end it's left up to the decisions of the Congress whether or not things happen in this Country.

 

Well, what you say is true on the surface, but misses a number of important points. For one thing Prez appoint Supreme Court Justices and if you think cases like "Bush v Gore" and the recent "Corporations can spend as much money as they want on political campaigns with no limits" would have been resolved the same way if Democrats had appointed justices to Scalia, Thomas, Alito and the rest of the Conservative justices posts, well I've got a bridge in Brooklyn that I can offer you a nice price on.

 

Also, while yes Congress does in theory have much more power than the Prez, it is a beast with several hundred heads. Most of which are often pulling in different directions. So the Prez can have a significant influence on things if the Prez is focused, determined and a sufficiently good schmoozer. It also means that quite often a Prez can set the agenda and what is getting considered.

 

Also never underestimate the power of the Prez to influence public opinion. Congresspeople listen to that and a sufficiently popular Prez can be quite effective at twisting arms.

 

That, and people are constantly afraid of one president changing everything.... Which of course is not only improbable but also impossible. That, and if anything large even STARTED to change, a revolution would break out before we let ourselves get smacked down under someone else's rule. I mean, seriously.

 

A lot of history can come down to having the right (or wrong) person in a spot at a particular time. One more liberal justice on the court, might well have swung the 2000 election to Gore, which could have made an immeasurable difference in subsequent events. 9/11 might never of happened or it might have been worse. Who can tell what the effects of Sadam still being in power might be or what the ultimate effects of kicking him out of power will be.

 

History often hangs on a very thin thread. Things are resistant to swift change, but sometimes all it takes is the lack of a nail, as the saying goes.

[Guest BobBarker555]

Now, Obama is invading Afghanistan, and bombing Yemen. The loving liberal. hahaha.

 

That's already happening for a few years. Obama will need a huge extinguisher and a huge amount of competent people to tidy up this mess. That alone should boost the job market like never seen before.

 

Next year when Daddy Manager doesn't bring home $550,000 but only $480,000 we'll all feel the disaster striking as he'll be unable to buy his son the latest import car made in one of those evil 'socialist' countries like Sweden or Germany. Awww...

 

btw regarding higher taxes on large corporate. There's a fairly simple and largely proven way to get around it, at least partially. Increase your costs and decrease your profits by paying your employees in the lower income brackets higher salaries. The employee won't get necessarily taxed more if Obama keeps his statement that he won't touch income up to $250,000. That gives them more purchasing power, hence a potential boost for the economy. That has nothing to do with socialism, it's logical and worked many times before.

 

Look at what you wrote then, and look at today.

 

People are losing their homes because they can't pay their property tax, because they are out of work. Houses are for sale on every street, and all your loving liberal president has done is give more money to wall street, re-invade Afghanistan, continue the war in Iraq, and now the nut is bombing Yemen. Lets not forget, he just re-signed the dreaded patriot act back into law.

 

I hope you are happy.

[Generic George]

Now, Obama is invading Afghanistan, and bombing Yemen. The loving liberal. hahaha.

 

Boy you don't let facts get in the way of a good paranoid rant. We never left afghanistan, you can't invade a country you're already in.

 

Do you need me to make a crayon drawing of this for you? Your reading comprehension doesn't really measure up to that of a dyslexic 4 yr old.

 

As far as bombing Yemen goes, given that it's one of the main places Al'Quaeda is holed up these days, he'd be derelict in his duties if he wasn't going after them and it's happening with the cooperation and support of both the Saudis and Yemeni governments.

 

People are losing their homes because they can't pay their property tax, because they are out of work.

 

At least get your basic economics right, people are loosing their houses because they can't pay their mortgages, not property taxes. Property taxes even in the highest tax states are still far less than the mortgages. ARMs and other balloon payments are far more responsible for this.

 

Obviously the jobs situation isn't helping things, you did get that right at least.

[Guest BobBarker555]

Boy you don't let facts get in the way of a good paranoid rant. We never left afghanistan, you can't invade a country you're already in.

 

Do you need me to make a crayon drawing of this for you? Your reading comprehension doesn't really measure up to that of a dyslexic 4 yr old.

 

As far as bombing Yemen goes, given that it's one of the main places Al'Quaeda is holed up these days, he'd be derelict in his duties if he wasn't going after them and it's happening with the cooperation and support of both the Saudis and Yemeni governments.

 

 

 

At least get your basic economics right, people are loosing their houses because they can't pay their mortgages, not property taxes. Property taxes even in the highest tax states are still far less than the mortgages. ARMs and other balloon payments are far more responsible for this.

 

Obviously the jobs situation isn't helping things, you did get that right at least.

 

Your Obamagod lied. He is still in Iraq, and was bombing Yemen 2 weeks before your underwear bomber showed up.

 

How does it feel to be pro-war?

 

You loose. Obama didn't start any wars in the first year, never mind six months.

 

Lets review.

[Generic George]

Your Obamagod lied. He is still in Iraq, and was bombing Yemen 2 weeks before your underwear bomber showed up.

 

How does it feel to be pro-war?

 

You really don't understand the english language do you. Al Qaeda was and has been in Yemen for years, but facts and paying attention to things are not your strong point. I've come across flat worms with a better grasp of the situation. They're also in Somalia and Pakistan. In fact they are in many places where there is

 

1) A weak or non-existent government

2) Societal chaos

3) Muslim fundamentalists - You know intolerant fanatics AKA People like you.

 

As far as Obama lying goes, what date did he state we'd be out of Iraq by again? He didn't because he's not stupid. He's a smart guy and knows enough to avoid giving a hard and fast date, because situations change and it's always good to leave yourself wiggle room.

 

The word you'd be looking for if you actually understood english is "prevaricate"

 

Lets review.

 

And the war he's started is? Sorry to break it to you, but bombing some Al Qaeda sympathizers in Yemen doesn't constitute a war.

[Guest BobBarker555]

Now, years later, how many wars has he started during his term? Why are we still not out of Iraq & Afghanistan?

[Generic George]

I couldn't find any crayon drawings suitable to explain things. But try these pictures.

 

Now, years later, how many wars has he started during his term?

 

 

Why are we still not out of Iraq & Afghanistan?

 

 

I'd have asked why you seem to think anyone around here worships Obama (he's a big improvement over the shrub, but Obamagod???). However your complete and utter inability to comprehend the written english language, means that it would be a pointless endeavor to do so.

 

What is it with you truthers? How can you possibly be this incapable of comprehending simple sentences?

 

[Guest BobBarker555]

I couldn't find any crayon drawings suitable to explain things. But try these pictures.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'd have asked why you seem to think anyone around here worships Obama (he's a big improvement over the shrub, but Obamagod???). However your complete and utter inability to comprehend the written english language, means that it would be a pointless endeavor to do so.

 

What is it with you truthers? How can you possibly be this incapable of comprehending simple sentences?

 

 

 

Are you going to answer my question?

[Generic George]

Are you going to answer my question?

 

Er. Pawn to King's three? Or is that Knight to Queen's 47. Oh right this isn't a sea mail correspondence chess game.

 

It took you five months to think of this?

 

 

What BB555 doesn't realize is that his question has already been answered several times. Unfortunately, being an irrationally angry ideologue and a truther, he simply can't understand anything that doesn't agree with what he believes. There was a great New Yorker cartoon a number of years ago that illustrated a person talking to a dog from a person's point of view and from the dog listening to it. The dog basically only heard "blah, blah, blah, Fido. Blah, blah, blah, Fido" That's pretty much what talking to BB555 or the rest of the "molten steel" brigade around here is like.

 

 

Do you think you'll ever actually answer any of mine or that you would actually pay attention if I did? Can you even say what question I've failed to answer is?

 

Ah, I must admit though, your posts always do always bring a smile to my face. They're so delightfully irrational and nonsensical.

 

Well let me know when you get around to answering in 6 months or so.

[Guest BobBarker555]

I was just wondering what you think of your friend Obama now? You were so eager to get your warmonger buddy elected.

 

You loose. Obama didn't start any wars in the first year, never mind six months.

 

YOU lost.

[Generic George]

I was just wondering what you think of your friend Obama now?

 

Wait was that a reasonable question?

 

Er, ah. Hmmm.

 

Not sure how to reply to a reasonable question from you that doesn't involve some sort of laughably insane comment or shows a complete and utter divorce from reality, total english language comprehension failure and generally some non-sequitur that strains my thesaurus to the point of near destruction, in an attempt to analogize your level of incomprehension.

 

Well I guess if you're asking a reasonable question I'll give you a reasonable answer.

 

I'd be a lot happier if he had realized a lot sooner that the republican definition of compromise was "You surrender unconditionally and do everything our way". He's given them way too much way too often. Apparently suffering from the belief that there are reasonable figures in the republican party who will actually bargain in good faith, trying to arrive at a real compromise.

 

I was very pleased that he got at least some kind of national health care passed and the consumer protection bureau. Basically, I'd give him a C+, maybe a B depending on how things shake out by the end of his term.

 

You were so eager to get your warmonger buddy elected.

 

Dammed it! Suckered again. Actually, I was basically eager to not have a republican in office.

 

I'd make a crack about how utterly you fail to comprehend the meaning of "warmonger", but oh hell it just isn't worth it any more. Just go watch "The Princess Bride" and imagine it's me telling you "You keep using that word. I do no think it means what you think it does".

 

If you're referring to the US getting involved in the conflict in Libya. Well, I was extremely pleased to see the US backing a real genuine people's revolt against the kind of brutal, corrupt dictator, that the US has far too often backed simply because they said they were on our side.

 

If that makes Obama and I a warmonger. Then it's a title I'll proudly wear and I would support any such further actions. An insult from a deranged, irrational nutjob like you is not something I'll loose sleep over.

 

Generic George, on 15 December 2009 - 09:37 AM, said:

 

You loose. Obama didn't start any wars in the first year, never mind six months.

 

YOU lost.

 

Well you've now added complete math illiteracy to your list of accomplishments. You reference a post made TWO YEARS AGO, in response to a post you made a year before that or THREE YEARS ago.

 

I am glad to see you posting again. I've not gotten to exercise my snarky-ness nearly enough of late.

[Alessandro17]

Guys, I am really beginning not to like the tone of this conversation. Calm down!

[Guest BobBarker555]

I have a better idea Mr. Generic, Accept responsibility for your actions at the poll and stop blaming others for the way you voted.

 

Mr. Admin, I don't post often on here. I read a lot, but have little to contribute that anyone else hasn't contributed already. But I do believe that people need to start taking responsibility for their actions, and stop blaming others for their problems.

 

I'm just so sick of saying "I told you so." Now its time to people to start accepting responsibility for the state our Republic is in. The legal definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result. The American people need to start accepting responsibility for their vote, and the actions of those they chose to represent them, good, and bad.

 

Mr. Generic, you chose Obama to represent you to the nation, and the world abroad. Accept responsibility for your representation. I really don't care about what "party", group effect, or collective you claim owns your ideals, or what other collective you claim opposes them. All I seek from you, for you to publicly acknowledge that you chose Obama as your representative when you went to the poll, that you checked his name on the ballot.

[Alessandro17]

Mr. Admin, I don't post often on here.

 

I don't care about your politics, provided the discussion stays civil, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Topic closed.