dies Posted October 16, 2008 Share Posted October 16, 2008 KDE4 vision is the right path to follow, it will take time, but once everything is pluged with everything, it will be even more user friendly than OSX. Everything will work with everything (akonadi, nepomuk, strigi, kjobs, plasma, solid and phonon have been designed to do that). The "port" will be long (KDE application are basically the same than in KDE3.5, just with QT4 and bigger toolbar). You will see, all will be better, it is a meter of time. The path that KDE took is hard to follow and will required a lot of effort, but it will pay. Gnome vision (or lack of) suck, they have met their goal and now add some useless bloat to it. They even start to copy the KDE3 roadmap (at least 1 apps for each task), this is the opposite of the original Gnome goal (leave it to 3rd party but provide a totaly open API). Gnome will eventually die out of progress while KDE accepted to recive some critics to be sure to move foward to met future desktop standard. Translation: "Yes, KDE4 is completely borked now, but you just wait, you just wait. Oh yeah, Gnome sucks" Oh, please. That's about the most fanboy-ish load of {censored} I've ever read. Of course it will improve over time, duh. As far as your thoughts on Gnome go, it's pretty obvious that you don't use Gnome or at the very least haven't in quite some time. Gnome is not only usable every release but improves by leaps and bounds because of the decisions the devs make. That's more than anyone can honestly say about the direction of KDE at this point in time. In any case, while everyone is entitled to their opinion, and everyone of course has their favorite, it's just childish and pathetic to wish disaster on any Open Source project. Less choice benefits no one. If choice is not important to you then I think you're using the wrong OS. I personally love the fact that there are so many choices, Enlightenment, XFCE, GNOME, KDE, etc, and that they each have their quirks. Oh yeah, KDE Sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted October 16, 2008 Author Share Posted October 16, 2008 dies, Right now I partially agree with you. If KDE3.5 was no longer available, and the choice now was between KDE4 and Gnome, I'd rather use Gnome, it is a lot more usable. However I can't be sure about the future. If KDE4 becomes just as usable as KDE3.5, I'll reconsider my position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elv13 Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 @dies: Your the fanboy. Between 3.5 and 4.1 I used gnome, so yes, I used recent version and I developped apps for both DE. I can talk as a programmer and as an user. KDE4 desktop is a complete rewrite, it will take time to complete it. No, it is not complete, it is "mostly" complete for day to day use. The "just wait" is because it is an in progress rewrite, not because today it is {censored}, it isn't, you did use KDE4 since a lot of time. It was needed, kdesktop+kicker suck and they had reach their limit (still more powerfull than gnome, but gnome does not need as powerfull panel, they have no use of these extra/useless functions). Plasma is more flexible. It allow all old features to be rewriten, but keep them out of the codebase with plugins (plasmoids). You can't say that KDE4 apps suck more than in KDE3, because they are the same, so can you point 3 major weakness of plasma that make it so bad? And 3 things that gnome do better (exept the default panel/menu -layout-, I admit that the gnome one is better but you can copy it with KDE4 in 10sec)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dies Posted October 17, 2008 Share Posted October 17, 2008 @dies:Your the fanboy. Between 3.5 and 4.1 I used gnome, so yes, I used recent version and I developped apps for both DE. I can talk as a programmer and as an user. KDE4 desktop is a complete rewrite, it will take time to complete it. No, it is not complete, it is "mostly" complete for day to day use. The "just wait" is because it is an in progress rewrite, not because today it is {censored}, it isn't, you did use KDE4 since a lot of time. It was needed, kdesktop+kicker suck and they had reach their limit (still more powerfull than gnome, but gnome does not need as powerfull panel, they have no use of these extra/useless functions). Plasma is more flexible. It allow all old features to be rewriten, but keep them out of the codebase with plugins (plasmoids). You can't say that KDE4 apps suck more than in KDE3, because they are the same, so can you point 3 major weakness of plasma that make it so bad? And 3 things that gnome do better (exept the default panel/menu -layout-, I admit that the gnome one is better but you can copy it with KDE4 in 10sec)? I have no use for comparing what one DE does better than another, they all have their strengths and weaknesses. Besides you're obviously not understanding my posts anyways so... You're right. Why don't we just leave it there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted November 9, 2008 Author Share Posted November 9, 2008 BTW, Ladislav of DistroWatch believes that KDE4 could be usable by release 4.4, probably available in 2010: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027#feature So it has clearly been a major mistake from some distributions pushing KDE4 so early, a mistake which could put off many potential new Linux users. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m16 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 BTW, Ladislav of DistroWatch believes that KDE4 could be usable by release 4.4, probably available in 2010: http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20081027#feature So it has clearly been a major mistake from some distributions pushing KDE4 so early, a mistake which could put off many potential new Linux users. One person = absolute judgement... this kind of thinking is what holds linux behind..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alessandro17 Posted November 10, 2008 Author Share Posted November 10, 2008 One person = absolute judgement... That person is not Joe User, he is respected as one of most knowledgeable Linux experts. I happen to agree with him, even if I realize that my knowledge is nothing by comparison. And besides, what he writes is just common sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.SubZero Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 As a long-time Windows user, and on-again, off-again Mac user, I found KDE 4.1 in Kubuntu 8.10.. kind of depressing. I can't help but think that deep in the bowels of KDE HQ there's people sitting around believing that this thing can really be taken seriously. On a few occasions I found myself thinking "this thing here would probably be cool if it didn't look like a half-finished high school programming project." I think I spent about 12 hours trying to use it, then ran back to Vista. My personal favorite is on the main menu there's an icon that looks like a terminal, but in the section that icon is for, there's no terminal. It's in a completely different section. Good job guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dies Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 One person = absolute judgement... this kind of thinking is what holds linux behind..... Wow ! Are you serious?!? Did you even bother to think, even just a little before you wrote that? No of course you didn't, if you had then you would have realized that a lot of so called "issues" on the Linux side are due entirely to the amount of choice and freedom. The fact that people are free to disagree and do their own thing. Open Source, have you heard of it? Ok, Ok, so let me get this straight, according to you what is holding Linux back is exactly what makes companies like MS and Apple so successful? Man, I've seen a lot of ignorant posts by you but this one takes the cake by far. Nice job, idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m16 Posted November 11, 2008 Share Posted November 11, 2008 Its because everyone thinks they are the best benevolent dictator of design... really there can only be one. This is why Apple is good. Jobs makes his design choices then pays engineers to do it.... Linux doesn't work like this... the engineers debate... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pebcak Posted November 23, 2008 Share Posted November 23, 2008 Its because everyone thinks they are the best benevolent dictator of design... really there can only be one. This is why Apple is good. Jobs makes his design choices then pays engineers to do it.... Linux doesn't work like this... the engineers debate... He would be the best, if he could make a design for everyone... however he cannot. People are different and have different needs. Aqua is almost impossible to work with for some of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Psychopath Posted November 24, 2008 Share Posted November 24, 2008 I've been playing around with the nightly builds of 4.2 this past week, and the improvements are tremendous. -Better theme. No more ugly scrollbars. Oxygen in general looks fantastic. -Better Configuration options: Phonon now works with my Logitech headset, Plasma can be customized piece by piece visually. -Webkit in Konqueror: Yay. And it's much, much faster. Hardly ever crashes compared to 4.1 and 4.0. I figure, just give it time. If you don't like it, don't use it. But, it's definitely getting somewhere now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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