spotter Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 see http://global.msi.com.tw/index.php?func=ne...amp;news_no=637 and http://global.msi.com.tw/html/popup/MB/uefi/about.html would one expect OSX to work out of the box with this? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache Thunder Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Lol Wish I had one of those. Might make installing a from a vanilla DVD possible! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-831989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankOS_Scripting Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Apache, that's make anything to OSx86 to had EFI instead of BIOS on MSI motherboard. For real, it's UEFI. No link with Apple at all. And much to Apple EFI. The only change you were able to see, it's when you install Vista for example like on a Mac on Bootcamp, the drivers is already install theoricaly. We're gonna see cause UEFI is under developpement.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-832064 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konami® Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 This why I don't understand why people think that it will be easy to install the retail version of Leopard in these mobos, they use UEFI which is completely different than the Apple have in their mobos. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-832067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
spotter Posted July 24, 2008 Author Share Posted July 24, 2008 why is this different than what apple is using? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-832090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankOS_Scripting Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I quote wiki cause it's too long explain how works EFI: The interface defined by the EFI specification includes data tables which contain platform information, and boot and runtime services which are available to the OS loader and OS. Some existing enhancements to PC BIOS, such as the Advanced Configuration and Power Interface (ACPI) and System Management BIOS (SMBIOS), are also present in EFI, as they do not rely on a 16-bit runtime interface. Services EFI defines boot services, which include text and graphical console support on various devices, bus, block and file services, and runtime services, such as date, time and NVRAM services. Device drivers In addition to standard architecture-specific device drivers, the EFI specification provides for a processor-independent device driver environment, called EFI Byte Code or EBC. System firmware is required by the UEFI specification to carry an interpreter for any EBC images that reside in or are loaded into the environment. In that sense, EBC is similar to Open Firmware, the hardware-independent firmware used in PowerPC-based Apple Macintosh and Sun Microsystems SPARC computers, amongst others. Some architecture-specific (non-EBC) EFI device driver types can have interfaces for use from the operating system. This allows the OS to rely on EFI for basic graphics and network support until OS specific drivers are loaded. Boot manager An EFI boot manager is also used to select and load the operating system, removing the need for a dedicated boot loader mechanism (the OS boot loader is an EFI application). Disk support In addition to the standard PC disk partition scheme, Master boot record (MBR), EFI adds support for a GUID Partition Table (GPT), which does not suffer from the same limitations. The EFI specification does not include a description for a file system; implementations of EFI typically support FAT32 as their file system. Now, did you see familiar things to OSx86... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-832186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhai Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 I plan to get one of these mb's, but to rund OS X you would still need drivers, dsmos, etc. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-832562 Share on other sites More sharing options...
forums32 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Wouldn't it be possible though to use the flashing tool provided by MSI to flash an original Apple EFI to replace the BIOS? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-832989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhai Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Wouldn't it be possible though to use the flashing tool provided by MSI to flash an original Apple EFI to replace the BIOS? Maybe. But your computer will not be able to boot. If you knew anything about this you wouldnt have asked such stupid question. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-833102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
forums32 Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Maybe. But your computer will not be able to boot. If you knew anything about this you wouldnt have asked such stupid question. Isn't the point of a question to increase the knowledge in an area? I'm fully aware I know nothing about this, but it would be even more stupid not to ask, and stay in my comfort zone of stupidity. I have a tendency to think I can still learn things... Now, since you seem to float in your ocean of knowledge, could you please explain to me in very basic terms why it wouldn't boot? Really, I'm confused by the whole thing. I read everywhere in the forum that you can install and boot OS X on a PC, using an EFI bootloader. So my question really is: what is the difference between a hardware base EFI implementation such as the one from MSI, a software base solution as the one mentionned all acros this forum and the Apple EFI? Flame me all you want, but I have an interest in the subject and like to understand... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-833370 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankOS_Scripting Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 Really, I'm confused by the whole thing. I read everywhere in the forum that you can install and boot OS X on a PC, using an EFI bootloader. So my question really is: what is the difference between a hardware base EFI implementation such as the one from MSI, a software base solution as the one mentionned all acros this forum and the Apple EFI? First thing, since 2002, we are able to boot Mac OS X now called OSx86 on an Intel CPU base. For make it possible, they coded a emulation of EFI call pc EFI or later Chamaelon EFI. There is no link between PC EFI and Apple EFI cause Apple EFI is hardware and PC EFI are software and emulation. That's it, that's all! With those MSI MB, you can't install OSx86 with a retail disc because they have EFI. EFI is a false expression to say UEFI. It's not the same, completly different from Apple. UEFI is very similar to Apple but in the mean time, that's not Apple featured.Read my post on the Wiki description and you will more understand what is this. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-833464 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konami® Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 First thing, since 2002, we are able to boot Mac OS X now called OSx86 on an Intel CPU base. For make it possible, they coded a emulation of EFI call pc EFI or later Chamaelon EFI. There is no link between PC EFI and Apple EFI cause Apple EFI is hardware and PC EFI are software and emulation. That's it, that's all! With those MSI MB, you can't install OSx86 with a retail disc because they have EFI. EFI is a false expression to say UEFI. It's not the same, completly different from Apple. UEFI is very similar to Apple but in the mean time, that's not Apple featured.Read my post on the Wiki description and you will more understand what is this. I was just thinking about something, it is possible to flash this UEFI with the Apple EFI driver? are they completely different in the way how work these two EFI's? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-833994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheeplover Posted July 26, 2008 Share Posted July 26, 2008 Yes, they are. As far as I know even if you could duplicate the AppleEFI into a non-apple-mobo with an EFI-chip it wouldn't do the trick. What I think might be possible would be altering an UEFI i.e. so it allows us to boot OSX - think of it like putting Chameleon into the EFI-chip. But that would be mainboard-specific and a lot of work - so I don't expect it to happen. And in my opinion, we are way better using boot-132 because it is not bound to specific hardware. Because of that more people are using and tweaking it, so you get faster and greater efforts. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-834428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FrankOS_Scripting Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 I'm not ready to flash my own UEFI for testing EFI on PC. You could toast your "EFI" if you miss your shot. Sound strange to say EFI lol! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-836144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
forums32 Posted July 28, 2008 Share Posted July 28, 2008 First thing, since 2002, we are able to boot Mac OS X now called OSx86 on an Intel CPU base. For make it possible, they coded a emulation of EFI call pc EFI or later Chamaelon EFI. There is no link between PC EFI and Apple EFI cause Apple EFI is hardware and PC EFI are software and emulation. That's it, that's all! With those MSI MB, you can't install OSx86 with a retail disc because they have EFI. EFI is a false expression to say UEFI. It's not the same, completly different from Apple. UEFI is very similar to Apple but in the mean time, that's not Apple featured.Read my post on the Wiki description and you will more understand what is this. Thanks for taking the time to answer! Very much appeciated. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/117441-efi-upgrade-for-msi-motherboards/#findComment-836395 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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