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[HOWTO] OpenGL and Quartz Extreme working PERFECTLY on Radeon 7500


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Would this work on a PCI ATI 7500 Radeon 64mb on Leopard 10.5.1?

Type: Display
Bus: PCI
VRAM (Total): 128 MB
Vendor: ATI (0x1002)
Device ID: 0x5157
Revision ID: 0x0000
Kernel Extension Info: No Kext Loaded
Displays:
Display:
Resolution: 1024 x 768
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Software
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Not Supported

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Anyone tried this on Lepard install (10.5.1 or 10.5.2)?

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Hey, could someone PM me the package for this please? like someone else said, the one at the start of the topic only has two files in it :/

Thanks if anyone replies :)

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If someone could post the link to the file as well.. I have everything running execpt for audio and higher resolution.

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Can someone please send me the pack with all the files? The one posted doesn't include all files, and the second one which should have all is hosted on a .Mac account which is inactive. Please, help me!

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Can someone please send me the pack with all the files? The one posted doesn't include all files, and the second one which should have all is hosted on a .Mac account which is inactive. Please, help me!


I've searched all over for this too, can't find it. I would be more than happy to host it if I could find it.

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Hi ! i have a T40 and i would be very happy to know if this issue work for this computer. I love OsX ! :lol:

And did it work with Leopard ??

Thanks for yours answers

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ATI pack on XxX 10.4.11 Rev2 Installer dvd enables QE.

The ATI 7500 pack on it seems to have been reassembled recently & works very well.

If you Install to 10.4.8 using this disc, selecting ATI 7500 pack & AGPGart1.1 it will enable QE right away after install -no fuss. It doesnt work Perfectly, the dvd player shows blank screen also cant use QE output in vlc media player. But is good enough,. Ive been messing around for a month trying to get this to work, only twice have I got QE. Neither time did it work perfectly.

I have what I wanted. Quite good flexible multimedia setup. I use vlc player normally, only problem is it drops about two thirds of frames when playing dvd's, just about watchable. It struggles a bit playing HD content, but it does it iy I leav it to play & dont do anything else. Quicktime works quite well, but doesnt play the full range of formats.

10.4.11 install

I couldnt get the "10.4.11 kernel" working. Tried efi, no_efi. As I only have SSE2 than means my only other option is to use the 10.4.8 universal kernel (actually ToH 8.8.1).

As I wanted 10.4.11 with all updates (except recent airport update, released in last 2 weeks), it needed a little tweaking (ethernet, sound & AGP werent working) namely:

1)switch IONetworkingFamily.kext, AppleHDA.kext & appleAC97 with the older versions -taken from a JaS 10.4.8 ppf1 & ppf2 dvd.
2)edit the Info.plist inside AGPGart.kext to show your IONameMatch vendor & device ID's. for my T42 that was
<string>pci8086,3341</string>. That is for a ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 32Mb M7 LW card.

If this is too complicated for you to set up, just Install to 10.4.8 using XxX 10.4.11 Rev2 dvd. really straightforward

10.4.8 install

options:

10.4.8 universal kernel (all 3 options)
all recommended kexts (I left out CPUPowerManagement kext remover as I have HPET)
all no-efi kexts

I used the chun_nan IOPCI kext option. I recommend it for all IBM T series laptops to enable the PCI bridge -it cut 4 minutes of boot time for me. dont know if it will work for everyone -but it is a great general purpose bit of kit, worth a try.
I dont care about my pc bridge but it often enables miscellaneous PCI devices that were not properly installed, and so cuts down on misconfiguration..

Oh, You are wasting your time trying to get any kind of performance from an ATI 7500 32Mb card in Leopard. QE aint gonna happen. I cant even get it to load ATIRadeon.kext properly. Leopard uses OpenGL2 ive been told, either Callisto or the 7500 card only uses OpenGL1 so -no dice.

Basic graphics work in Leopard, but nothing flashy, I can use Quicktime player but not VLC or DVD Player. The card is not fully supported.

here are my install notes if anones interested

1)	Install XxX options10.4.11 update -all8.9.1 universal kernel -all 3optionsno dsmos.kextall no efi patches EXCEPT remove CPUPowerMangement kextAGPGart 1.1ATI 7500 Pack (includes Callisto3)Chun_nan IOPCI (includes IOPCI bridge)power management option (shows battery level) of Slim Battery Monitor -not both2)	after install, no ethernet, AGP, soundInstall from JaS 10.4.9IONetworking Family (ethernet)Apple HDA (audio)AppleAC97 (audio)edit CallistoHAL to show processor to AGP device & vendor IDs(pci8086,3341)3) now you have PCI Bridge OK, Sound OK, AGP ok, Open GL OK, QE functions not very well, VLC works v.well as long as you dont use QE output. Qtime ok, DVD player has blank screen. Conclusion QE works but not well enough to rely on. use open GL instaed. AOK except playing a DVD is a bit lame in VLC.tried usin AGPGart 2B & 2.1, Install matching IOPCI, have dependency problems, QE not enabled.Only thing not working now are wi-fi, bluetooth, maybe Fingerprint Scanner.UPDATE unencrypted WiFi working using iwi2200.Still using debug driver for USBUHCI.


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I have qe with a t40 ibm and a 5100 dell 10.4.11. how can i help?

for the post before me...have you lowered the amount of ram that is required for qe I think you will need to with a 32mb card. Mine is 64. Everything but games work for me.

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Betolley

Interesting idea.

Actually I havent altered the QE minimum threshold. It says QE Enabled in profiler & it definately has some functionality but it just doesn't work well or reliably. I was appalled to see that my xbench score has dropped to 27 from 50ish (bad enough) now that I have QEenabled. I dont quite believe it though, it works much better than when it was 50. I know that QE is a trade of of performance for functionality but 50% is ridiculous (and unbelievable).

I did alter the QE2D threshhold from 64 to 32 then 16 but couldnt get it working. I read that you need a "2d pixel shader card" or some such nonsense so I gave up on it.

Do you think that altering the QE threshold would make it work better? It's already enabled but who knows, might be worth trying.

As regard your OpenGL, I Think that the ATI 7500 Pack in the installer I used switches tour OpenGL to an earlier version.
When I tweaked QE into existance before I had to switch the whole Open GL folder for the one sullpied with the 7500 pack or it wouldnt work properly.

If you cant play chess and the flurry screensaver dont work then neither does you OpenGL. Maybe you need an earlier version.

I found that AGPGart1 with Callisto3 and OpenGL 1.41 is the best combo for me.

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ouch, sorry looks like I spoke too soon

Think I have found my problem -it looks like AGPGarts dependencies.

Thought I had checked them -obviously not.

Was using AGPGart 1.1, tried replacing with 1.2 (2.1 in reality) -same problem, slightly worse.

I get:
AGPGart:  Version:	2.1  Last Modified:	19/05/2007 3:45PM  Get Info String:	2.1, Copyright joblo10, 2006  Location:	/System/Library/Extensions/AGPGart.kext  kext Version:	2.1  Load Address:	0x1fae0000  Valid:	Yes  Authentic:	Yes  Dependencies:	Incomplete  Dependency Errors:  com.apple.iokit.IOPCIFamily:	No valid version of this dependency can be found  com.apple.kernel.bsd:	No valid version of this dependency can be found  com.apple.kernel.iokit:	No valid version of this dependency can be found  com.apple.kernel.libkern:	No valid version of this dependency can be found  com.apple.kernel.mach:	No valid version of this dependency can be found  Integrity:	Unknown

It was just the same with AGPGart 1.1 except the kernel.bsd dependency wasnt listed.

bummer dude,

So yet again it looks like my versions dont match up. Using chun_nan IOPCI, maybe ill try the JaS one.

Betolley if you dont get this problem. what versions (AGPGart, Callisto OpenGL) are you using? which kernel?

Strange thing is that QE is enabled, but it doesnt work right :P


Thought I was done tweaking!

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I had to change to threshold to get the 32mb radeon 7500 mobility working in the t40. Can you plan armagedtron with OSX and your 7500? Chess and all that is fine. Even stellerarium works fine for me. I have the original driver pack. Stellerarium uses a qtopengl package for opengl.

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I had to change to threshold to get the 32mb radeon 7500 mobility working in the t40. Can you plan armagedtron with OSX and your 7500? Chess and all that is fine. Even stellerarium works fine for me. I have the original driver pack. Stellerarium uses a qtopengl package for opengl.

I dont pay any games, so I havent tried armagedtron. Last game I played was Quake2 many years ago.

Sounds like you OpenGL is working fine, have you checked your ioreg for !'s? Perhaps it is the AGP & QE side of things that are struggling.

I never managed to get either of the 10.4.11 kernels working, how about you?

If the kernel works on your T40 than I should be able to as well.
I also get a "AGP v2 mode4 is operating in legacy mode" at boot. It used to bother me but increasingly think it is referring to the lameness of my graphics card and not a mismatch.

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I had to change to threshold to get the 32mb radeon 7500 mobility working in the t40. Can you plan armagedtron with OSX and your 7500? Chess and all that is fine. Even stellerarium works fine for me. I have the original driver pack. Stellerarium uses a qtopengl package for opengl.


I set up the Radeon 7500 in my girlfriends T40 so that the card appears in the System Profiler correctly, but QE is not enabled. Reducing the threshold seems like my next, best hope. Could you please tell me what I've to do?

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I have qe with a t40 ibm and a 5100 dell 10.4.11. how can i help?

for the post before me...have you lowered the amount of ram that is required for qe I think you will need to with a 32mb card. Mine is 64. Everything but games work for me.


I got the T40 as well. Does keynote presentations runs perfectly on your machine?

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anybody got the files for this?
the first and second links don't work.

thanks!

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Hey there I could sure use these files too, anyone with the proper set I would be very appreciative!

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Missing files are missing. What type of a-hole would remove such attachments? I've had to reinstall my OS twice now because of this! Sorry to Rage, but it takes 2 hours to install Tiger!

This thread should be trashed!

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can i use this method with my X1300 series PCIe graphics card.
I have a Radeon X1300 and my system profile says, quartz extreme, not supported.
I would love to enable quartz extreme.
Please any help would be much appreciated.

When i run Xbench it gives me results for my quartz graphics.
which leads me to think its working but just displaying its not.
I need it to work to run FCP.

Results 133.41
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.5.4 (9E17)
Physical RAM 1024 MB
Model P5W DH Deluxe
Drive Type WDC WD400JB-00ENA0 WDC WD400JB-00ENA0
CPU Test 117.90
GCD Loop 219.82 11.59 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 106.34 2.53 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 87.75 2.89 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 116.60 20.30 Mops/sec
Thread Test 165.61
Computation 152.21 3.08 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 181.60 7.81 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 125.51
System 159.22
Allocate 230.87 847.81 Kalloc/sec
Fill 132.56 6445.44 MB/sec
Copy 143.54 2964.77 MB/sec
Stream 103.58
Copy 102.54 2117.93 MB/sec
Scale 103.11 2130.20 MB/sec
Add 104.50 2226.03 MB/sec
Triad 104.21 2229.36 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 177.89
Line 137.36 9.14 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 191.80 57.26 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 154.96 12.63 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 147.03 3.71 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 423.95 26.52 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 58.02
Spinning Squares 58.02 73.60 frames/sec

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You need to install an injector/kext specific to your gfx card. Search around for one for your ATI1300...

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