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http://www.zdnet.com...-pc-7000014211/

 

The OEM response

Many PC OEMs are dissatisfied with what Microsoft has done with Windows 8 and the way the company has handled the negative response to the operating system. Privately, one OEM source told me that Microsoft is "destroying" the PC industry, while another claimed that Windows 8 has "handed over millions of customers to Apple."

Other OEMs are making their displeasure known publicly. Both Lenovo and Samsung have released Start button replacements for Windows 8.

 

http://press.nokia.c...interim-report/

 

(Which shows that Lumia phones with Windows 8 aren't selling well at all)

 

Personally I am sorry that Nokia is hell-bent on destroying itself, they had some great hardware.

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while another claimed that Windows 8 has "handed over millions of customers to Apple."

 

I don't know how a Windows XP, Vista, Se7en user, who doesn't know how to use Windows 8, just because of a new GI (graphical interface), will know how to use OS X? :blink:

 

 

unless they're talking about hackintosh when they say "over millions of customers to Apple" bleh-smiley-face.gif?1302011313

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I don't know how a Windows XP, Vista, Se7en user, who doesn't know how to use Windows 8, just because of a new GI (graphical interface), will know how to use OS X? :blink:

I'm using XP, Windows 7 but I can't stand both Vista and Windows 8. Vista due to it being half-baked OS. Windows 8 due to out-of-the-place Metro GUI. However can use Vista (though with no joy but still can), but with Windows 8 I'm completely lost when on Metro screen, just like an idiot using a PC first time ever.

 

Non of OS X versions has caused me same bad experience as W8 did. Even ML with all its new features.

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I'm using XP, Windows 7 but I can't stand both Vista and Windows 8. Vista due to it being half-baked OS. Windows 8 due to out-of-the-place Metro GUI. However can use Vista (though with no joy but still can), but with Windows 8 I'm completely lost when on Metro screen, just like an idiot using a PC first time ever.

 

Non of OS X versions has caused me same bad experience as W8 did. Even ML with all its new features.

 

I remember Windows XP. I used to use it everyday and got work done without that many issues. Windows Vista was garbage. I don't really know what Microsoft was thinking there. Windows 7 in my opinion is the next XP. I had no problems with it, low on RAM and again got the work done.

 

I don't understand what was the main goal for Windows 8. Actually, there shouldn't be a Windows 8. If Microsoft wanted to introduce tablets, then it should have taken the Windows Phone OS and tweaked it up so it can take better advantage of the tablet hardware. From there, they could have introduced the new Modern UI, Office built for touch, and all of the other touch applications. The desktop version of Windows shouldn't have been touched at all.

 

People don't seem to mind having two devices for two different things. The concept of a hybrid computer is cool, its futuristic, but that technology is still new and I don't think its ready. OEMs rushed it and now they're paying the consequences.

 

On the other hand, maybe OEMs should secretly be making hackintosh desktops and notebooks. Just have Windows 8 on it to please Microsoft but its hardware is fully compatible with OS X. Then again, Apple would get mad and sue.

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Ale, I'm not convinced that a simple GI can lose head to someone who's supposed to use Windows XP since 2001

 

the people hate the changing!!!

 

all items that we have read on the web, it's always the "Metro" who's on the forefront. Windows 8 is not only that!!!

 

so how someone who's scared about a new graphical interface could learn OS X in 10 minutes? Habits and experiences are not the same!!!

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the people hate the changing!!!

 

This.

 

I think it's to early to both condemn Win8 as a fiasco and make prophesies of doom for Microsoft.

 

Personally, i beg to differ from you all: after getting my hands on a Surface Pro for a few hours, i think it was the first time in years that i really liked any iteration of Windows.

 

All the best!

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I consider my self computer savvy (no need to list credentials here like similar posters do elsewhere) :) Windows 8 makes me feel retarded, like I'm some computer noob. After wanting to throw mice and keyboards at stuff in frustration at how difficult everything had to be, and within 3mins of booting and finishing updates on a new install getting spyware (only site visited was AIDA64), I don't think I'm the retarded one. I'll take XP or win7 over that {censored} any day. Especially when, away from home, if I'm on Windows it's because I'm working and need to get stuff stuff done. Metro cannot make that easier anyway you look at it. I can't imagine switching between multiple Excel spreadsheets going in and out of Access with Metro wanting to be my program/file manager.

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I did spent some time on Windows 8. Got me a copy, ran Windows 7 Toolkit, to remove the Metro Apps, and some unneeded packaged, unattended installation etc, wrote it to usb, and i installed the so called "piece of {censored}".

The first week, i really hated the OS, no start menu, everything is well {censored}, when you have a negative perspective the second you log in. (Had this with Tiger, not used to the OS, did not know how to do things) But then, you get used to the idea of pressing the Windows key when you need the start menu, i'm a shortcut user in Windows, perhaps it made it easier. Thinking of moving my mouse to the corners makes me sick, i'll give you that, useless on PC. Microsoft did improve when introducing Windows 8, in my opinion it is faster than Windows 7, i'm talking about unmodified. Personally, i can not work with Windows 8, without modifying it before installing.

 

Currently i only run OS X, need to update my signature.

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You are the only genius. The countless thousands of IT professionals who avoid Windows 8 like the black plague are all a bunch of idiots.

 

Must be: for years they ran like hell from Win7 in favor of XP. They run like hell from all flavors of OSX too, even on high end environments (where Macs wouldn't be that expensive and the OS licensing costs could be an advantage).

 

Oh, wait: perhaps folks just don't like changes (the learning curve and all the things, you know), and business don't like to upgrade while they still have the option (a.k.a. official support and custom support) of not to. ;)

 

All the best!

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At my work we have both XP and OSX. Only thing with OSX is they only pay for a MacPro if your in creative dept making catalog layouts, otherwise get 5 year old Dell :( . Many people have they're own MacBookPro's on desk next to Win XP machine, using both or just the Mac. No bringing own windows of any kind allowed, only Macs are OK :)

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I tested out Windows 8 a while ago, and can certainly agree that Metro is counter-intuitive. After installing Start8 to remove Metro and bring back the start Menu, the OS did seem speedier than Windows 7, and I think benchmarks have proved this (though not by much, so maybe it's a placebo effect). Only reason I haven't installed Windows 8 yet is that I'm too cheap to buy it, I was testing the DP.

 

Though I don't think anyone can deny that the Surface Pro is some pretty nice hardware, whatever OS you'd like to run on it.

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for years they ran like hell from Win7 in favor of XP.

 

Windows 7 was universally regarded as a success. One year ago it had sold 600 million copies: http://www.zdnet.com...-xp-4010026342/

Windows 7 was (and still is) the much needed replacement for XP, whereas Vista had failed. Not as badly as Windows 8, though.

Change without improvement, change for the sake of it, is never good.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_operating_systems

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Windows 7 was universally regarded as a success. One year ago it had sold 600 million copies: http://www.zdnet.com...-xp-4010026342/

 

After three years in the market! How long is Windows 8 in the market, and how many copies did it sell? I could get quite surprised. :)

 

Windows 7 was (and still is) the much needed replacement for XP, whereas Vista had failed. Not as badly as Windows 8, though.

 

Yet many businesses just started to upgrade from XP or ditched it altogether. Again, TI professionals running like hell from a new OS means zip, and it's to early to said that Win 8 "failed" (at most, one could say it's failing, but all numbers since to prove the opposite, despite the negative hype).

 

Change without improvement, change for the sake of it, is never good.

 

There were improvements. Every person who compares a Windows 8 touch-capable PC to a Windows 7 will see it crystal-clear. Benchmarks also improved, file transfer improved a lot (and in this particular point, even OSX cannot begin to compare to Windows 8).

 

Least but not last, Windows Phone 8 is not flopping (just the opposite - it's a huge hit): http://seekingalpha....a-great-success

 

All the best!

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At my work we have both XP and OSX. Only thing with OSX is they only pay for a MacPro if your in creative dept making catalog layouts, otherwise get 5 year old Dell :( . Many people have they're own MacBookPro's on desk next to Win XP machine, using both or just the Mac. No bringing own windows of any kind allowed, only Macs are OK :)

 

So what if you were to somehow bring a hackintosh laptop? Would that be allowed lol? I always wonder what would happen if you go to WWDC with a hackintosh computer. I mean would the crowd get offended?

 

As for Windows 8, I don't care if it fails. It doesn't affect me since I'm using OS X on my PC. The only people that maybe would get affected are people who are forced to buy a new computer and don't like the change. The average user of course won't downgrade or even think of converting it to a hackintosh. That is why you see a supposed increase of Windows 8. Surprisingly computers seem to last longer nowadays which is why people aren't rushing out to buy computers.

 

As for this touch thingy, I own an iPhone and I feel that it is a sufficient touch device for me. I still have no reason why I should be interested in Windows tablets, not even the iPad. What can the iPad or Windows tablet do that my iPhone can't do? What can an iPad or Windows tablet do that my hackintosh can't? If you want portability, a MacBook Air seems like a great choice.

 

I don't know maybe people like to show off that they have the latest technology out or something.

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After three years in the market!

 

What matters here is that Windows 7 has overtaken the 12 years old XP: http://www.zdnet.com...sta-7000003591/

 

There were improvements. Every person who compares a Windows 8 touch-capable PC to a Windows 7 will see it crystal-clear. Benchmarks also improved, file transfer improved a lot (and in this particular point, even OSX cannot begin to compare to Windows 8).

 

Speed improvements? Maybe, not everybody seems to agree. However, if we weren't talking about Microsoft, that should be normal, every OS should be faster than its predecessor. Not at the expense of usability, though.

 

Least but not last, Windows Phone 8 is not flopping (just the opposite - it's a huge hit): http://seekingalpha....a-great-success

 

What I can read from that article (it lets me read only the first page) is that Windows Phone 8 overall satisfaction score is half a point ahead of iOS. Big deal. But what about market share? http://en.wikipedia....ne#Market_share (sorry, strange enough I couldn't find a better source, but I reported Nokia sales in the first post of this topic).

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1) Overtook after three long years, Alessandro: who can guarantee wouldn't it be the same with Windows 8?

 

2) I can post sources, if you want them. :) Every upgrade usually implies compromises, even in OSX side - wasn't true, there wouldn't be lotta people whining about the demise of Snow Leopard, hehehe. The usability for touch devices improved a lot: i don't really think you have a point here besides the learning curve for desktop users.

 

3) Please read carefully: it states with sources that market share for Windows Phone 8 is growing faster than all other platforms. It's still small, but comparing absolute market shares (instead of growing/shrinking trends) for a couple-months-old OS against well-consolidated half-a-decade-old successful systems is an outright fallacy, if you forgive me saying this.

 

All the best!

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1) Overtook after three long years, Alessandro: who can guarantee wouldn't it be the same with Windows 8?

 

2) I can post sources, if you want them. :) Every upgrade usually implies compromises, even in OSX side - wasn't true, there wouldn't be lotta people whining about the demise of Snow Leopard, hehehe. The usability for touch devices improved a lot: i don't really think you have a point here besides the learning curve for desktop users.

 

3) Please read carefully: it states with sources that market share for Windows Phone 8 is growing faster than all other platforms. It's still small, but comparing absolute market shares (instead of growing/shrinking trends) for a couple-months-old OS against well-consolidated half-a-decade-old successful systems is an outright fallacy, if you forgive me saying this.

 

All the best!

1) Eventually it may happen because the OEMs are giving it preinstalled on new computers (unless they release the next OS soon and you'll see win8 disappear like winMe)

 

2) The usability for touch devices surely improved, but that's because they never had a touch friendly OS. Also, once you go out of the metro interface you're in win7 (with its touch unfriendly interface). Meanwhile the desktop usability went down BECAUSE of the forced touch layer.

 

3) If you start from 0 you'll certainly grow faster than the well-consolidated competition.

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1) Then we can agree there's no basis to say it's a flop yet, regardless what any influent reviewers can write about it. Will be a success? Honestly i don't know, neither you or anybody else (OEMs preload it, but the PC industry is probably in its twilight, so there's no guarantees);

 

2) Compromises, like i said before: but i agree with you indeed. In a touch device though, "Metro" really shines: first hand experience (for a short period of time, i'll concede that);

 

3) Then again, we cannot say (yet!) that's a failure or a success: the only concrete data we all have is that's growing faster than other platforms. All the rest is headless speculations and wishful thinking.

 

All in all, the title in this topic made a bold statement that's simply not correct, not because i don't want it to (i'm not quite a Microsoft fan) but because bad reviews doesn't make anything a "fiasco" (SIC). It might as well end up being a failure, and then i'll give props to the E.S.P. powers of Alessandro, hehehe...

 

All the best!

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All in all, the title in this topic made a bold statement that's simply not correct, not because i don't want it to (i'm not quite a Microsoft fan) but because bad reviews doesn't make anything a "fiasco" (SIC). It might as well end up being a failure, and then i'll give props to the E.S.P. powers of Alessandro, hehehe...

 

 

The review is bad because you don't like it? He is quoting facts, OEMs are unhappy, I suppose because they are losing sales and customers are complaining.

I am closing this topic because it has taken a wrong turn, arguing just for the sake of it.

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