What would you do if parts of Revelation come true?

[james2mart]

So what would you do?

[Ictinike]

Atheist, Reevaluate, NOT convert, just re-examine myself.

[gwprod12]

It would entirely depend on what was happening. The book of Revelation is pretty vague. I just cant imagine anything happening that would be so miraculous that I would think it supernatural. If War of The Worlds happened tomorrow, it would be quite a sight and pretty scary, but no reason to convert to Christianity. If the sun turned black and the ground broke, demonic creatures sprouted from the earth and Priests with rays of holy energy were blasting them left and right, I'd probably be amazed. I'd probably think something serious was happening, but I dont see how it would be evidence of God.

 

Until something like that happens, pshah.

 

Besides, enough lunatics have tied every bad day with revelation for thousands of years. It's just hokum.

[killbot1000]

We have the power to shape our future, if all of us believe the world is fated to end, then it WILL end. Don't be stupid, believe the world will be ok, work toward that goal and it will be.

[gwprod12]

If more or less one third of all oceans turned to blood (actual blood, not just red), and blood rained down from the sky... it would be amazing.

 

I'm curious about the horsemen though... as we saw in WWII, cavalry isnt much use against tanks. One would imagine the same could be said about rocket propelled grenades and machine guns against horsemen... even if there are 200 million of them... Are these immortal horsemen? Are their horses capable of flight or walking on water? Or will the 1/3 of the world's population to die under their sword be within riding distance? Or will Haliburton hire ships to ferry them during their slaughter? If 200 million horsemen came out of the euphrates, and presumably killed the first 1/3 of the world's population closest to them, theoretically that would settle the question of peace in the middle-east once and for all.

 

Where are the corners of the Earth. As we all know (or should), the earth is a sphere. Are the corners where the angels will stand specified somewhere? Obviously two of the angels could stand at the North and South pole, respectively. But what about East and West? How are the corners determined specifically. Are they the magnetic poles or the poles of rotation?

 

Is the woman on the moon in a spacesuit? or do we have a colony there? Or can she breathe space? The dragon that comes out of the sky to kill the baby... is that the Earth's atmosphere, or something else?

 

Is the mark to buy or sell a barcode? A credit card number? What happened to Cash or Barter? Is the black market destroyed by this time? Will the Korean shop owner across the street from me refuse to sell me a pack of cigarettes? What about money orders? Will those work? If I cant buy or sell, will I still have to pay back my student loans? I would think being forced to worship the devil to make money would definitely quality for a hardship delay in payback. Does the inability to buy or sell impact taxes? Will the auditor be reasonable when I tell him I refused to bow down to Satan? Or will he still take my house. What about payment plans? Is everything I own before revelation still mine, or do I need the mark to keep ownership?

[consolation]

I'd wonder if and why my GF was spiking my coffee...

[gwprod12]

Does she have horns? If so, that explains it.

[consolation]

Does she have horns? If so, that explains it.

 

Depends on the time of the month....

[gwprod12]

Well, the Bible doesnt say whether or not the horns are retractable. Better kill her just to be on the safe side.

[mifki]

I killed somebody on halloween once, they were the spitting image of the devil...

 

me?, I'd re-evaluate only if when I prayed for satan to strike somebody down, and he did. then id all out convert to satanism, but if god destroyed the person i didnt like, then id convert to christianity

[brainbone]

Since we'd obviously be dealing with some cataclysmic event, either naturally occurring or man made, I'd be doing my best to keep my family and I alive. If that meant saying "I believe X" to the religious zealot at the door in order to avoid the freak from taking their frustrations out on my family, I would do just that.

[3nigma]

If the sun turned black and the ground broke, demonic creatures sprouted from the earth and Priests with rays of holy energy were blasting them left and right, I'd probably be amazed. I'd probably think something serious was happening, but I dont see how it would be evidence of God.

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[gwprod12]

What? How does amazing translate into proof that an all-powerful being who manufactured the universe exists? It doesnt. There can never be proof of such a thing.

[brainbone]

If the sun turned black and the ground broke, demonic creatures sprouted from the earth and Priests with rays of holy energy were blasting them left and right, I'd probably be amazed. I'd probably think something serious was happening, but I dont see how it would be evidence of God.

 

...I think I'd ask for round of what you're having, provided I didn't have anything scheduled for the next day or two...

[Proteo]

What would you do if extraterrestrial aliens come to earth to suck your brain?

 

That is much more likely to happen. Then, I'd start to believe in Santa Claus and maybe, just maybe, that there's a god, specially a *good* one.

[gwprod12]

If extraterestrials came to suck my brain out, I'd grab a gun and shoot them. Failing that, I'd hide.

 

If priests went about flinging holy bolts at the aliens and killing them, I'd be impressed.

 

Speaking of which, if priests could fling holy bolts and defeat either demons or aliens, I wouldnt begrudge them a few paltry alterboys.

[consolation]

Well, the Bible doesnt say whether or not the horns are retractable. Better kill her just to be on the safe side.

 

Done, shipping the body to the address given by your IP provider -thanks in advance.

[killbot1000]

This is stupid.

[brainbone]

This is stupid.

 

 

Very. Like asking "what would you do if monkeys flew out your ass".

[killbot1000]

Very. Like asking "what would you do if monkeys flew out your ass".

 

 

I would pet them. jk

 

What if the Battlestar Galactica suddenly came to earth? What if they found earth like their journey said they would?

 

Saying that feels much the same as this post.

[gwprod12]

If Battlestar Galactica and the colonial fleet showed up, I'm sure priests would go forth and blast them left and right with bolts of holy fire. Or maybe that's the cylons. +Shrug+

[3nigma]

What? How does amazing translate into proof that an all-powerful being who manufactured the universe exists? It doesnt. There can never be proof of such a thing.

You're right. If the sun turned black and the ground broke, that's perfectly natural and can be explained by natural means. It was probably some gas bouncing off of a satellite. ...and the moon and Mars, and stuff. If demonic creatures sprouted from the earth, that's totally normal, because, well, they could be normal species that were undiscovered, that happen to burrow into magma and live there. Right.

 

And if Priests with rays of holy energy were blasting said demons left and right, you're right, that's totally normal, the rays are probably some sort of chemical reaction of, well, air, and.. and light... n' stuff...

 

I'd probably think something serious was happening, but I dont see how it would be evidence...

Seriously: For you to make a statement like this, it annihilates any credibility you have for trying to claim that you are indeed reasonable in your judgement and discernment. It's okay to say that you are not convinced by the argument for an alimighty deity as it presently stands, but you cannot parade a flag of logic and reason and make a statement as foolish as this.

 

Seriously.

 

-3nigma

[Soündless]

It's okay to say that you are not convinced by the argument for an alimighty deity as it presently stands, but you cannot parade a flag of logic and reason and make a statement as foolish as this.

 

Seriously.

 

-3nigma

rammjets the only deity rammjet..tiff

[gwprod12]

3nigma: Give me a made up piece of evidence that would prove scientifically that God exists. If God today said "I want to prove myself", what could he do that would stand up to the scientific method? Nothing, zip, zilch. An extremely powerful being could appear, smite left and right, give immortality at a whim, damn to hell or take to heaven. It might fabricate a planet on the spot, or wipe out ours... None of this is evidence of an all-powerful being that created the universe. It is only evidence that powerful beings do exist. And by showing itself, putting it's powers and existence to the test, it exposes itself to scrutiny. There can never be proof of an all-powerful deity, because deity is tautalogical, all evidence, whether for, or against, is consistent with God's existence (and non-existence).

 

To characterize apparent magic as supernatural simply because it is not understood is to equate flight or indoor plumbing or solar formation with divinity. The supernatural is incapable of being rigorously understood. That is not the same as being currently inexplicable. And nothing yet studied has been able to shield itself from inspection. Nothing. It is only a matter of time before something is understood.

 

Also, to sarcastically claim that the sun turning black or priests hurling bolts of holy fire is perfectly natural is merely to point out the truth. Nothing unnatural has ever been studied. There is no reason to believe that anything unnatural exists. Therefore, it is safe to assume that anything, no matter how seemingly unlikely or paradoxical has a reasonable explanation.

 

To address the point more succinctly... I would not immediately believe in God, because I see no reason to. I would not see evidence of God, because evidence requires consistency with a theoretical model in order to have value, and there is no possible theoretical model for the existence of God.

[3nigma]

An extremely powerful being could appear, smite left and right, give immortality at a whim, damn to hell or take to heaven. It might fabricate a planet on the spot, or wipe out ours... None of this is evidence of an all-powerful being that created the universe.

It is only evidence that powerful beings do exist.

Exactly. It is evidence that powerful beings, or a Being, does indeed exist.

3nigma: Give me a made up piece of evidence that would prove scientifically that God exists. If God today said "I want to prove myself", what could he do that would stand up to the scientific method? Nothing, zip, zilch. And by showing itself, putting it's powers and existence to the test, it exposes itself to scrutiny.

This is the only part of your philosophy, as a whole, that actually doesn't weigh up in the bigger picture. In all your posts in all your threads, you insist that if a supernatural deity were to present or expose itself, it would therefore eliminate its inherent deification.

 

However, if said deities or almighty being does indeed exist, it would have therefore been the creator of the universe and indeed, the very scientific method itself. And if the deities or God created the scientific method and universe, who are we to make the rules of whether or not the deities or God can or cannot be measured by it? Maybe a deity would deliberately make itself measureable in some way or another, in order to understand a smaller part of the bigger picture. And even if it could not be measured, why does that stop the being from presenting itself? Even with further, future study and revelation? If the being created the universe and the scientific method, it gets to be the one to decide whether or not it is measurable by its own system, or if it supercedes it, both of which are legitimate options. To our logic, it would SEEM that a deity would be "over and above and bigger" than our methods of measurement, but if the deity is indeed a deity, why do we non-deities pick the rules that apply to a deity?

 

You are the one making your own rules for your belief system. However, if a deity exists, we are not the ones that get to choose by which standards the deity can and cannot measure up to. The deity will have already created and established it, and it would then be waiting for us to play "catch up."

 

Example:

...God is required to be infinite, undetectable and non-respective of the universe's rules that precludes God as an important aspect of our lives. No conventional logic can define a God.

In this post of yours from another thread, you state the rules that define what a God should or should not be, using reasonable logic. He should/would be infinite, undetectable, and non-respective of the universe's rules. However, in your immediately following sentence, you state that no conventional logic can define God. The irony of this is that you just used conventional logic to define God. Maybe he CAN reveal himself, and CAN be measureable. Or not. Conventional logic cannot define God, so who are we to say?

 

If indeed a deity does exist, you cannot apply your own made-up box of "the-way-it-should-work" onto the deity. The deity already has us inside of its box.

 

-3nigma

 

Challenge - If indeed critical thinking is one of your values, genuinely think about this. (1) A deity would supercede any of our own logic, as you yourself attest to. Therefore, (2) your "conditions" for the deity to meet, in order to for it to indeed be classified a "deity," don't hold weight against your original point. A deity would be outside of our understanding, even if that means it could reveal itself and be measurable. Think about it. It may not fit OUR definition of a deity, but we are not the deities, so why do we think that we can make the definition of what constitutes and does not constitute a deity?