infernoday Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Alot of systems with ATI cards can get OSX installed but without QE/CE, what exactly is the benefit of having it? Would my system run noticably slower than say keeping windows XP? If you dont have QE/CI will OSX still have its windows effects such as genie? Info would be great. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiaboliK Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 yes it will have the effects like genie and such but without QE/CI no dvd player or screensavers, and well it just isnt all that fun without QE/CI. yes ATI cards are problematic as you can get them to work but you get a kernel panic while trying to edit the AtiradeonX1000.kext to get QE/CI enabled. so... its nvidia cards with no more than 256mb ram that are taking top spots to all the mac goodies like dual display, tv-out, sleep and QE/CI. -DiaboliK Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu.Walker Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) Anything GUI-driven and is related to graphics acceleration will be affected. That means all the superfluous effects of Mac OS X. It might slow down your rig as the CPU has to compensate for the effects, and I'm sure that Finder will be laggy, and it ain't as much fun. I think OpenGL in games won't be affected, but don't quote me on that. Edit: DiaboliK beat me Edited March 6, 2007 by Zulu.Walker Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317463 Share on other sites More sharing options...
infernoday Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 So then let me ask, OSX without QE/CI vs. WinXP whats really the reason to switch? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317469 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Depends on wich applications you run. Apple DVD player does not run without QE, but VLC player does. VMware Fusion does not show it's window without QE, but not everybody wants to run windows virtually. Games (most of them I think) are unplayable without QE, not everyone run games on OSX. So you choose. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu.Walker Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) Limited functionality is a negative, and as it was said before, not as fun. If you have a lot of time, try it out first, you might like it so much the next upgrade you'd get is mac-centric Edited March 6, 2007 by Zulu.Walker Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jarodsix Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Toast 8 does not run under VESA... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zulu.Walker Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Lol, and I bet Disco won't either with the smoke fx. So much for functionality. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fairaghi Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Mmmm, Toast 8 works fine on my ATI Radeon Mobility 7500 w/o QE & CI... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Yeah I remember when I didn't have QE/CI and Toast 8 ran. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Sponge Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Not to veer too much OT, but to clarify, Toast 8 doesn't explicitly need QE/CI but needs a GPU fully recognized by OS X? I.E... It wont run on systems with driver-less Intel 865G Integrated Craphics then? Also, i dont think DVD Player needs QE to run as I recall playing DVD's on my iMac DV SE running Tiger which had a mere 8MB ATI RAGE Pro 128 (obviously no QE...) DiaboliK: Since I am in the market for a video card and I now know to steer towards Nvidia, wanted to find out if TV-Out worked well as most of the Nvidia's I see have TV-out? Specifically looking at an Nvidia GeForce 6200 that could connect to my TV via S-Video Thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-317959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Sorry to dissapoint you, but your Ati Rage has QE, maybe not CI or QE2D. Even my PowerBook that has a Geforce 4MX has QE, not QE2D or CI. You can simply make a test, move or delete the drivers of your Graphic Card, then Run Apple DVD Player, it will exit with an error inmediatly. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-318063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aluminum Sponge Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Sorry to dissapoint you, but your Ati Rage has QE, maybe not CI or QE2D.Even my PowerBook that has a Geforce 4MX has QE, not QE2D or CI. You can simply make a test, move or delete the drivers of your Graphic Card, then Run Apple DVD Player, it will exit with an error inmediatly. Huh?? Sorry to disappoint you, but I dont think so.... Specs of my old iMac DV SE: http://lowendmac.com/imacs/500.shtml Quartz Extreme system requirements: http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/quartzextreme/ Quartz Extreme wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_Extreme Note the "16MB" VRAM part and the "Radeon" too... I can tell you easily that Quartz Extreme is not a requirement for DVD Player. Even more to the point, as stated in above wiki article, QE was intro'd in 10.2 and trust me, I was watching DVD's since 10.1 when we finally got that feature. Thanks you. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-318285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 Oh I thougth the ATI Rage was better than the Geforge MX cards, sorry, I also though that those cards had more memory. What I try to explain is that the DVD Player needs QE because it does't run on VESA mode, since QE was introduced in 10.2 the NEW DVD Player doesn't work without QE, and since we are talking about OSX86 (intel or iHackintosh) here the first version available was 10.4.1 so it came wit the NEW player and the drivers that work on Graphic Cards on OSX86 have QE. There was also an Apple DVD Player for System 9 that doesn't needs QE, you know EDIT: maybe we can try running 10.1 DVD Player in Rosseta mode Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-318625 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nargot Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 i think iTunes need QE/CI Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-319250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
U.C. Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 QE just adds more Wow to OSX. 99% application will work without it. Also 99% of games wont work without it. CI just takes the WOW a step further. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-319260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lonny Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 (edited) Good explanation of Quartz (2D & Extreme) about what it is and how it works http://arstechnica.com/reviews/os/macosx-10.4.ars/13 Bottomline: if your videocard is able to use Quartz then invest time in it to enable it Edited March 8, 2007 by Lonny Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-319321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macgirl Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 i think iTunes need QE/CI No it doesn't, it runs on VMware, and there you don't get QE/CI. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44359-how-important-is-quartz-extreme-and-core-image/#findComment-319486 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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