winty03 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Hello, I am looking for some advise with the whole Leopard release coming up. A friend and I are looking to buy some MacBook Pro's and don't know if we should buy them now or if we should wait for the release of Leopard. We were kinda thinking, like alot of people, that it would be released the end of March. Reading some seeders sites, it doesn't seem like it will be till June (WWDC). Also there has been some talk about offering some hardware updates to the MacBook Pro. Like a white and or black notebook and or offer other computer upgrades. Would you suggest buying now and not worring about the Leopard release and or wait it out till June? Any suggestions would be greatly appricated. Thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fizzeh Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 Because everything is speculation, I would ask one thing: How badly do you need it now. To avoid disappointment it is always good to wait until right after a new release to buy a tech product. However, new releases can be pushed back for years (like the rumored full-screen iPod). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317143 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winty03 Posted March 5, 2007 Author Share Posted March 5, 2007 I am new to Apple, I am going to switch over from PC. So I don't know all the stuff really going on with the OS X. I was more attune to the Vista release. Its hard because Apple is soo secretive. All the company says is that it will be out this Spring, which goes into June. Is there any talk about MacBook Pro's being updated or changed? They don't seem to offer much options or upgrading for the MacBook Pro. Is it because of power usage (battery life)? So your suggesting best to wait until Leopard is released? I am not needing the laptop, right now running a couple of desktops running XP. Just wanting to get a notebook, and either the Dell XPS 1710 or the MacBook Pro 17. Thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookmark Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 (edited) It's *very* unlikely that Leopard is going to be released at the end of March. It's quite likely, OTOH, that it will have some top-secret features that haven't been announced yet (like a refreshed UI and possibly a few innovative applications) which *will* be unveiled at a special event in the next few weeks... and then released in late spring/early summer. MacBooks, meanwhile, aren't due for major updates until Intel's Santa Rosa chip which arrives this May. Keep an eye on this handy guide if you're concerned about a new model coming out soon. That's about it. You're considering a Mac during a rather mysterious period, but that's half the "fun" with Apple. If it's possible to hold out until early summer, you'll probably be able to get an updated MacBook Pro with Leopard installed. If you need one sooner, though, no need to torture yourself waiting: the current MBPs are great machines. Just have budget the extra $130 or so for Leopard. My advice: I'd consider waiting at least until the end of March just to see what the real story is w/r/t Leopard. Edited March 5, 2007 by lookmark Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
asap18 Posted March 5, 2007 Share Posted March 5, 2007 This summer is going to be amazing, KDE4, Leopard, and even maybe Microsoft 2008 Office Mac Beta. AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317285 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winty03 Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 Do believe all these updates will be out and available by the end of June 07? Of course Leopard will be out by that time, but do you think then around June they will redo the MacBook? If the Santa Rosa chip is out in May, what time frame do they think they will look to redo or install that (intel chip) in the MacBooks? I am able to wait, thats no problem, and I have $4k sitting her for the MacBook, just trying to purchase it at the right time, like you said it seems a crappy time to buy. I am not so worried about software as I am hardware, becasue software can always be installed. Sounds like the Macbooks are pretty set in stone when you buy them, so I sure dont want to buy it right before Santa Rosa is integrated. What time frame would I be looking at to get Leopard and the Santa Rosa Chip in my MacBook? Thanks for all the tips and links ASAP18 could you tell me or explain what KDE4 is. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317427 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookmark Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) If you have the patience to wait until early summer (sorry I can't be more specific -- no one really knows), than by all means hold out. By then the MBPs will be updated with Santa Rosa (the "Pro" machines will probably see the Santa Rosa update first) and possibly even a refreshed form factor (it's been the same for a while now, and there are possible signs of new features to come), and will come will Leopard installed. More about Santa Rosa here. Frankly, it may prove a more significant update for machines that use integrated graphics, but the Robson technology sounds very nice and should help improve battery life. That said. There's ALWAYS something better around the corner, so you have to weigh whether waiting for 4-5 months is worth it. Used Macs go for very good prices, so if you take care of your machine and for some reason you crave the latest model, you can easily ebay or craigslist it any time and trade up. Good luck! Edited March 6, 2007 by lookmark Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317457 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cfhuk Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 hey Winty03 KDE 4 is one of the most popular desktop environment for Linux. Theres plenty of info about it here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE4. I'd recommend waiting to buy a new macbook. not only will it come with leopard, but the new intel chips will have vastly improved graphics on them if you go for a macbook rather than a macbook pro. the gma950 graphics on my macbook, even with 2gig of ram and the 2ghz c2duo chip are not the best on earth by a long shot. anyway have fun shopping! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317535 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr.manatane Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 Is someone here remember how many time before the release of a new hardware Apple start to delay the shipping ? My ADC student will finished the 4 of April... I will be happy if they delay the shipping of my Mac Pro for the new one (if it comes at the NAB, just 10 days after). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317584 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winty03 Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 Thanks for the info lookmark, I think we will hold off till June then and see what happens, Ya sounds like a good upgrade, going to the 800Mhz FSB on the Santa Rosa and incorporating GMA X3000 grapics technology. The flash memory does sound exciting...anything for the name of SPEED! I might be missing something obvious, but why doesn't laptops keep up technology wise as so the mac pro. I would love to see Xeon processors in my laptop, let alone 2 of them. And then the amount of memory. Why do they only go to 3GB when the 64 bit processors handle up to 16GB of memory, or so I thought? I suppose there is a very logitcal answer, but just wanted to ask why. I am sure the technology isn't there or it has to be with battery issues. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317689 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookmark Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) Heat, battery life, and case size. There's only so much you can do in 1". I believe the 3GB RAM limitation on MBPs is an Intel chipset limitation. One would hope Santa Rosa will address that. Edited March 6, 2007 by lookmark Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winty03 Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 It sounds like later June maybe even July that the MBP will end up with the SR technology. But worth waiting till then to get multiple upgrades for the MBP. Is Apple notorious for releasing really buggy software and or having major problems after a release one should be wary about? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-317964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookmark Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 It varies wildly, to be honest. Sometimes things are 100% fine and sometimes they're glitchy. There were a bunch of issues with the first MBP with Core Duo, which they managed to mostly straighten out in the next few revisions, and pretty much iron out with the MBP Core 2 Duo. That's part of the risk of getting the brand new model, the latest and greatest. If you want to play it safe, don't wait for a new model, or wait a few weeks before buying a just-released new model; check a forum like Ars Technica's Mac Achaia and see what reports are drifting in. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-318017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winty03 Posted March 6, 2007 Author Share Posted March 6, 2007 (edited) Apple fully supports you, it just the hassle you might go through, correct? I am totally new to Apple so I don't mind issues as long as I can get some help. Can you explain a bit more on the graphics chipset with this Santa Rosa its also going to address or upgrade the intergrated graphics to GMA x3000. I thought that they would be running the Ati 256mb video card? I am a bit of confused there. I would like to see a 512mb Ati or Nvidia card for the MBP's. Edited March 6, 2007 by winty03 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-318021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookmark Posted March 6, 2007 Share Posted March 6, 2007 That's right, you'll be fully covered by the one-year warranty (extendable to 3 yrs) for everything except accidents & theft. Still, that doesn't make troubleshooting problems and sending machines back for repair any more fun, esp if Apple themselves are trying to figure out what the issue is. I don't mean to scare you tho. The first Intel-based MBP was a *big* transition for Apple, and had its share of issues. I strongly suspect future models (which, increasingly, use chips that generate less and less heat) will be much less troublesome. The Core 2 Duo MB & MBPs so far seem pretty damn good. re Santa Rosa - if you're considering the 17" MBP the GMA x3000 -- an integrated graphics chipset -- won't affect you at all. (That's why I mentioned that Santa Rosa would actually be a more significant update for the 13" MacBooks, which use integrated graphics.) MacBook Pros use *far*-superior discrete graphic cards. That's a big part of what you're paying extra for. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-318041 Share on other sites More sharing options...
winty03 Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Great, ya I plan on getting all the bells and whistles on the MBP 17. Max memory, processor and warrenty...and whatever they add to it...if they do. So we will see Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/44320-leopard-hype/#findComment-318182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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