ATI 9700 Pro

[mred2007]

Hi, Ive been a lurker here for years, and learned alot by reading. I have everything working great on a 10.4.8 install (Thanks JAS, semthex! ) but a have a question. I have an ATI 9700 Pro graphics adaptorthat works great at 1024x768 resolution with full QE/CI, open GL support. even got rid of almost all my mouse tearing after purchasing mighty mouse software. I using the standard 9700 kext , I believe its the defualt driver.

I was wondering if anyone was sussuseful in going more then the default 1024x768 resolution using the same 9700 kext? Im affraid trying to go higher and not be able to get back to the desktop.

Thanks

[nunex]

hi mate

 

how did you manage to work your 9700 pro in jas 10.4.8 ?

 

thx in advance

 

 

(i have display but no CI or QE activated)

[mred2007]

are you using katana, or titan? I think these give you the ability to change resolutions, but with no QE/CI

I had bad luck with both. I think that the default 9700 kext driver should give you QE/CI but

without the ability to change reslutions.

[nunex]

with the default 10.4.8 9700.kext i don't have (by default) QE/CI.

 

 

how did you turn it on?

 

btw, my id is 0x4E441002 (ati radeon 9700 pro agp)

[JaS]

You will need to use Callisto For anything before the 1x00 series gfx cards, Titan , natit and kitana are for more modern cards.

[nunex]

thx a lot guys!

 

 

ok... i have managed to change resolution and refresh rate with the callisto 008 but i have no QE/CI support.

 

i would surely prefer to have QE/CI in exchange of an higher resolution

Edited January 26, 2007 by nunex

[mred2007]

thanks JAS. so your saying you cant change resolutions with the 9700 kext?

my 9700 pro works great at 1024x768 but I would like to go up one notch and not

loose anything.

[nunex]

i would love to know 2 things:

 

- with which version (10.4.?) you accomplished to have QE/CI support without additional manouvers (like Callisto and stuff)

 

- how did you did it?

 

thx in advance

[guitardood]

I just got osx86 working with everything fine.

 

But can someone give me a simple explanation about video cards?

 

What is QE/CI support ?

 

What do you have with a fully working 2 screen display Intel mac with a not fully working video card?

 

 

So you cant play games or cant edit video or ?

 

 

What do you really have with 1/2 a working video card?

 

 

Thanks, just trying to get a grip of my new computer that only cost $300 ehehe

 

Its cool, but linux is cool also.

 

I guess the big reason for OSX86 is to use the propriety apple software and also Audio editing?

Edited January 30, 2007 by guitardood

[Anemir]

Hi, I'll explain what everything is very shortly. I'll try to keep it simple so everybody get's the point.

 

Your videocard ofcourse makes everything that has something to do with the visual part of your a computer go faster by giving you hardware solutions. That way your processor doen't have to spend so many resources on this. OSX uses a couple of different systems to do this, each with its own specific funtions. The most importent are OpenGL, QE (Quartz Extreme) and CI (Core Immage).

 

OpenGL: Windows, OSX and Linux use this system. It designed for 3D but in some cases can accelorate 2D to. You need this if you want to play games or work with 3D software. Your realtime vieuwport (what you see whene you are drawing in 3D) is accelorated by OpenGL, but you can set this rendering to software too. But you'll need a fast computer and you will notice a decrease in preformance even then. For games you mostly can't chose software rendering, so they won't work without OpenGL.

 

QE and CI: CI accalorates 2D graphics and video and QE can be best described as a bridge between 2D and 3D. They are OSX only and one of the reasons why OSX is preferred by graphic designers, video editors, architects... (my field of work ) It will allow you to edit effects and graphics in real time and at full quality, where windows will only allow it after calculation. Toop keep it short, apple computers aren't faster because they have better hardware (this is for some specific parts the case, but sertainly not all) but because the software uses the hardware in a better way.

 

So what do you have with a half working graphics card?: With only OpenGL working, OSX won't give you alot of benifits over windows, accept being more fun to work with and having a virus free internet life and ofcourse being able to use apple software. If your intrest in graphicsdesign and related is the main reason why you want to work with OSX, you really must get QE en CI working. The additional tools like exposé, fontbook... will make your life as a designer a lot easier, but your software will still run like it did in windows.

 

Also: Some basic features of OSX wont run without QE, like the DVD player or some of the cool OSX effects. They use QE so they don't effect system preformance. This is fun whene you have QE (I can still watch DVD's when my computer is rendering my visualisations ) but ofcourse a pain whene you cant get it to work.

[thr33face]

i too have a 9700pro.

i installed the JAS 10.4.8 SSE2 SSE3 DVD with ppf applied and get QE/CI out of the box.

 

Can anyone point me to Callisto releases for my card? i see omni is not providing these anymore.

 

Hardware: A64 3400+, via k8t800

[hokage-dono]

to have qe/ci on this card, you must install JaS 10.4.8 sse2 sse3 and don't apply any graphic patch (during the installation, you can install patch for ati x600 etc..., don't apply anything ! just keep the original kext and you'll have qe/ci out of the box )

 

for resolution change, callisto 006 works fine on my mobility 9700 (don't forget to edit the Info.plist of ATIRadeon9700GA.plugin tu change the framebuffer !).

[hans_1990]

Could somebody point me in the direction of the FAQ that supposed to be in the Callisto package, that explains how to edit the Info.plist of ATIRadeon9700GA.plugin?

 

Because http://omni.starchaser.org/callisto doesent work anymore

[hans_1990]

Fixed the problem!

Follow the next steps:

 

Copy:

/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/com.apple.Boot.plist

to desktop

 

edit (desktop version):

<key>Kernel Flags</key>

into:

<key>Kernel Flags</key>

<string>"Graphics Mode"="1280*1024*32"</string>

 

Save and exit

 

Copy your desktop version back to:

/Library/Preferences/SystemConfiguration/

 

Click authenticate

Click overwrite

Enter password

 

Done

I even got a nice loading screen...

You don't have to change your drivers, it's just changing the resolution during boot.

Edited February 28, 2007 by hans_1990

[u4ia24]

Hey guys i'm also using ATI 9700 Pro. I installed JAS 10.4.8 SSE2 SSE3 and i do have qe/ci. but im stuck at 1280x1024 max resolution using the "com.apple.Boot.plist" method. and i also cant change my refresh rate.

 

I was hoping if you guys know how to make it 1600x1200@75?

 

i've upgraded my 10.4.8 to 10.4.9 then to 10.4.10 using the softwre update from apple. And i've kept my 10.4.8 kernel.

 

Using Asus P4P800-x mobo.

 

Please help! Should i use Callisto? What version of Callisto and how do i even use it?!

 

Thanks!

[bm.tully]

i have the same configuration. same problem. i cant find anything that deals with AGP. is it possible to change the resolution and refresh rate? can i change somewhere in the card's setup to default that way?