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I think i've made a final decision on the parts i'm gonna buy for my first audio/music Hackintosh. Just hoping for a reviewal before i pull the trigger?

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Hey guys,


I'm about to buy some parts for my first Hackintosh build, was just hoping you guys could take a look and let me know if it's all compatible or if any problems might pop up. Or if you have any suggestions for changes.

 

PCpartpicker parts list here.

 

Or if you don't want to click a link, here's the parts list:

-CPU: i7 8700 3.2GHz


-MoBo: Gigabyte Z370XP SLI
-CPU cooler: Be Quiet Pure Rock Slim
-RAM: Crucial 1x8GB DDR4-2666 (with an eye to add more in the future)
-Storage: Samsung 250GB SSD, 860 Evo 2.5" + WD Caviar Blue 1TB 7200 3.5".
-Videocard: MSI GeForce GT 710 2GB Low Profile
-PSU: Corsair VS 550w
-Case: Cougar MX340 ATX

 

My budget is $1,000AUD and the computer will be used for cpu intensive audio editing and music production + heavy web browsing. No gaming. The audio software i use is Logic Pro X, and may switch to Reaper in the future. I plan to install Sierra OS, with an eye to upgrade in the future if i have to. Don't need a SUPER computer, mostly interested in smooth/reliable performance and being futureproofed.

 

Thanks!!

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not hackintosh specific,

but get a better case, Antec or Corsair, you spend a 1000$ and put it in some el chipo {censored}box.

try MSY for great hardware prices in OZ

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1 hour ago, millusions said:

not hackintosh specific,

but get a better case, Antec or Corsair, you spend a 1000$ and put it in some el chipo {censored}box.

try MSY for great hardware prices in OZ

It's cheap but it's not a bad quality case.

 

Will check out MSY

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look. a case can last 10 years or more.

plus it's all you see,

quality cases have quality fans and features, like coolermaster fans are just noisy junk so i dont imagine Cougar would do any better.  Quality fans are 20$ each but once you hear it you cant go back - silent.

i bought a couple of coolermaster fans for like 9$ each, never used them, too noisy.

 

skip the CPU cooler maybe and spend at least 100$ on case.

 

i have this case in one of my builds: https://www.msy.com.au/nsw/kingsford/pc-components/17847-antec-gx1200-windowed-usb30-mid-tower-gaming-case-without-psu.html

got it when it was 100$,

the only thing i dont like about it is only 2 x 3'5 bays and kinda hard to get to,

2 x 2'5 inch are ok.

coloured antec fans, 2 at front, you can change the colours,

not sure about the rest, i installed another 4 noctua fans in it, hard drive bay, CPU exhaust and 2 exhaust on top CPU temp controlled.

 

some pics and review: https://www.techspot.com/products/cases/antec-gx1200.149776/

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1 hour ago, millusions said:

look. a case can last 10 years or more.

plus it's all you see,

quality cases have quality fans and features, like coolermaster fans are just noisy junk so i dont imagine Cougar would do any better.  Quality fans are 20$ each but once you hear it you cant go back - silent.

i bought a couple of coolermaster fans for like 9$ each, never used them, too noisy.

 

skip the CPU cooler maybe and spend at least 100$ on case.

 

i have this case in one of my builds: https://www.msy.com.au/nsw/kingsford/pc-components/17847-antec-gx1200-windowed-usb30-mid-tower-gaming-case-without-psu.html

got it when it was 100$,

the only thing i dont like about it is only 2 x 3'5 bays and kinda hard to get to,

2 x 2'5 inch are ok.

coloured antec fans, 2 at front, you can change the colours,

not sure about the rest, i installed another 4 noctua fans in it, hard drive bay, CPU exhaust and 2 exhaust on top CPU temp controlled.

 

some pics and review: https://www.techspot.com/products/cases/antec-gx1200.149776/

I still think you're underrating the Cougar case. Don't be fooled by the price, it's quality material. And i like the look. I don't feel like i'm settling for something undesirable to save a buck like you're suggesting.

 

That Antec case IS pretty sexy though.

 

I like the 2 lightup fans it comes with, and i like how there's a button on top to change the lights.

If i skipped the "Be Quiet Pure Rock Slim" cpu cooler (which is $40) then i would easily be able to afford that Antec case. But would my air flow be good enough with just the 2 fans that comes with the case?? 

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3 minutes ago, RandomTech said:

UHD 630 on 8700K is newer and more powerful than GT 710, so why to downgrade to GT 710?

I was told by a fairly reliable source that having gpu instead of on board graphics frees up power from other components (i can't remember which, i think ram)

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2 hours ago, Barncore said:

I was told by a fairly reliable source that having gpu instead of on board graphics frees up power from other components (i can't remember which, i think ram)

It maybe true even if it's something I've never heard about before.

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RandomTech has a good point.

i doubt you'll notice any difference, certainly no more than using RAM in single channel mode

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Hey milliusions, going back to our convo from before -- do you know if air flow would be good enough if i used that Antec case you suggested and its 2 fans + buy 1 extra 120mm case fan + use the stock cooler on a i7 8700 instead of buying an aftermarket cooler? Not sure what your knowledge of air flow is like but you mentioned skipping the CPU cooler in favour of the Antec case so now i'm curious

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i've got a few years of building experience...

i havent' used a stock cooler for a long time but from memory they are fairly decent, it's not such a big job to install a cooler later if case has cut outs so you dont have remove motherboard and that Antec case does have.

the only reason you'd want a custom cooler is if you overclock or to make it absolutely silent.

 

have you found MSY close to you? they're everywhere, the thing about MSY do your research before you go in there, there's no browsing etc, no showroom lol.

 

i dont remember if that Antec case has a CPU exhaust fan, probably, the only thing you might need right off the bat is a 120mm hard drive cooling fan.

when it comes to fans, Noctua are the {censored}e, backed by 6 year warranty, but i just looked Corsair are like 15$ a pop, Noctua Redux is 22$, basically, IMHO you cant be cheap with fans, i bought a couple of Coolermaster Sickleflow they blurb about them sounded good, i will never use them, they will remain in my drawer for ever lol. sound like a vaccum cleaner.

and same goes for a case, good case will outlive your build, basic rule is stick to Antec, Corsair, Thermaltake and NZXT the other gear is cheap like Kmart shoes cheap, you dont wear kmart shoes do you?

 

i think in your situation, dont sweat it just yet, see what the temps are when you doing stuff AIDA64 is good for windows and iStatMenus for Mac, i put all those Noctua fans in because i got a bunch of them on Gumtree for next to nothing, it's a major overkill but the PC is totally silent, some VGA card sound when gaming..

in that Antec case i have Asrock z97, i7 4790k, Noctua D14 cooler, GTX1070, nothing overclocked, all fans except HDD are stopped till CPU hits 70C, oh, except CPU cooler fan which idles ... but noctua fans even at 70% speed you can barely hear them.

unless your gaming or encoding video you dont need anything special i dont think, or unless you live in QLD lol.

so relax for now with fan overkill and see what temps you have, look at it this way, 45$ cases have one CPU exhaust fan and coupled with the CPU cooler survive ok.

Cougar is Hyundai , Coolermaster is a KIA, Antec would prolly a Chevy, google it, they are an American company, the brand names i wrote above you can relax as it's almost certainly going to be good quality, almost..

 

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oh yea. i forgot. i would definitely start off with built in graphics in favour of GT 710,

buit in works quite well

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I still think Cougar is more like a Chevy too except their company is new and trying to break into the market so their prices haven't caught up to their quality yet.

You've definitely got me thinking though. I knew Antec were good but $79 is hard to pass up. And although it seems negligible i do like the idea of having some futuristic lights shining through the grill of the computer, haha. The top notch quality is a bonus, lol. I'm just trying to figure out if i can get the $25 that i've added into the expenses back by sacrificing something somewhere else.

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/Barncore/saved/DLcsZL

SOMEwhere has to be sacrificed if i am to afford this thing at all. I'm already over my budget. Previously the place of sacrifice was the case. My thought was that functionality is more important than looks. And luckily, cougar were high quality for their price.

But now you've bloody gone and sold me on this Antec case! Hahaha. Curse you.

 

I'd be okay with sacrificing some CPU and getting a 6th or 7th gen processor, but they are more expensive than 8th gen!

 

I think the closest MSY near me is North Melb. I don't have a car though so might have to get it delivered.

 

 

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Maybe the sacrifice can come from skipping the GPU altogether and just use onboard graphics on the 8700 like RandomTech suggested.

 

As long as it works fine without any headaches then maybe that's the go-to option. Also need a HDMI port that plays at least 1080p60. 

 

What would be the pros and cons of that option?

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for sure skip the GPU, you can always add it later.

 

your motherboard is kinda expensive for non gaming setup, im not sure you'll need the features it has over a 100$ job, like crossfire SLI , M.2 slots, ive got plenty of m.2 slots but never used one yet.

for 30$ double your SSD to 500GB skip the 1tb blue, 500GB evo at MSY is 119$.

i got a 3 TB blue among others pretty slow im getting Write 67MB/s. Read 70MB/s, my Barracuda 3TB does Write 95MB/s Read 100MB/s i only noticed that the other day when copying large ISO's from 3TB blue to 3TB blue (coyping to self) it was horrid slow so i ran benchmarks. a 4TB 5400RPM Seagate also does 95MB/s and 100MB/s. so that gives you an idea

 

skip the CPU cooler for now

 

buy used ram from gumtree, there's plenty of articles on net stating that RAM is one of the safest things you can get used.

and go dual channel

 

your call on the case, once you buy a quality one there's no going back he he...

i remember the first good case i got was a Thermaltake Soprano for like 150$ it was just such an awesome case around 2007, you could sit on it no worries. and now always get the best case i can afford.  i got maybe 8 years out of that case and then it just seemed too small.

 

i had a hack that i retired now, media/Plex server and mucked around a fair bit with graphics card and onboard, im pretty sure you wont notice the difference. the onboard is really good and i was suprised how well it worked, it was a 4790k with HD 4600 so yours will be better, im 100% sure ive heard people here do 4k hacks with your built in Graphics

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i gotta warn you.. that Antec case is not a full featured case, i'd call it lightweight.

i got mine for the Plex box only.

 

it's kinda slim, the front fans look good but their functionality is questionable since there are no hard drives there where fans would exhaust hard drive heat... and the toggle for those fans, to change speed, is behind side panel so thats kinda pointless.

it's just cheap

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your motherboard is kinda expensive for non gaming setup, im not sure you'll need the features it has over a 100$ job

I don't know of a $100 Mobo that supports 8th gen + thunderbolt + compatible with mac osx etc.

I don't need a lot of those features like SLI etc but there's not a lot of cheaper mobo options. There's this one but it's only $20 cheaper.

Gotta make sure it has thunderbolt support in order to properly futureproof myself. Don't forget the Hackintosh element too.

 

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for 30$ double your SSD to 500GB skip the 1tb blue, 500GB evo at MSY is 119$.

Nah, 2 seperate drives is a must in audio world. Also, i will need to clone my current 1TB over to the new 1TB.

 

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skip the CPU cooler for now

I dug around a bit, and the guy in this video did some tests and found that the i7 8700 throttles and doesn't perform properly with the stock cooler. 

 

^ I'm probably misunderstanding the conclusion of that video haha, i watched it at 3am last night, but the conclusion i came away with was that the CPU will need an aftermarket cooler.

Probably even more so if i'm using on board graphics.

 

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buy used ram from gumtree, there's plenty of articles on net stating that RAM is one of the safest things you can get used.

and go dual channel

 

Good idea. 

What's dual channel?

 

millusions you my friend are a case tease. Haha that's right a case tease. You got me all hot on the Antec and then brought me back down to earth.

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Hmm, it's really hard to search for RAM without the search results showing full computers

 

Btw: this is the build i have planned now -- https://au.pcpartpicker.com/list/4MNf4q (note- the Antec GX900B is only there as a placeholder cos the 1200 doesn't exist on that site)

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look. you kinda have a weird approach to this , lol

you trying to solve problems you dont have, how hard is it to install a CPu coolor?. or add a graphics card?

other things will come later, or later you will be stuck with junk because you only thought about right now.

 

just saying about the case, it's pretty cool, i still have it, my Xbox killer build hooked up to tv but ive had better cases, my main is NZXT Phantom white. with corsair fans and 14cm noctua for hard drives.

the only thing i dont like about it is that the window is small, but otherwise its pretty good. and it's absolutely DEAD silent.

the new case you picked sucks, its very old school, i've had one for a day or two, doing some upgrade for someone. its very 2008.

think about what you're doing, you want to skim on things so you can have thunderbolt, just in case, whats hackintosh got to do with that? i bet you 99% of hackintoshes dont have thunderbolt.

i can really see you buying a 250$ thunderbolt hard drive enclosure.

thunderbolt was released in 2011 , so what future proofing you talking about :)

if you ask me it's only for mac mini's and other computers like iMacs where you cant install an expansion card or add hard disks.

 

watch some youtube case reviews, but be careful, like Linus tips raves on about 50$ shi77y cases because the company gave it to him so he pretty much has to

good case, you have to break the 100$ barrier,

and if you're not yet hooked on MSY go and browse, and pay attention to details on it, not just first looks. cable managment, fans and airflow. things like that

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look. you kinda have a weird approach to this , lol

Not surprised to hear that. I think i'm going crazy lol. I've been researching computer parts every night for a week straight and at this point i'm probably overthinking it. But i've never built a PC before (let alone a Hackintosh) and my budget is so tight that i can't afford to make a mistake by getting the wrong mix of components. So this is me being thorough. I'm trying my best to understand every angle of this process. But you gotta understand that i'm getting different opinions from multiple sources that sometimes contradict each other, so half the time when i'm throwing ideas at you (or anyone else) i'm doing it to check if the info aligns with other sources or not.

 

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other things will come later, or later you will be stuck with junk because you only thought about right now.

Don't think that part is a fair assessment. The ultimate intention behind all of my choices have been to futureproof myself.

 

The desire for a cooler is to make sure i don't damage my cpu.

 

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think about what you're doing, you want to skim on things so you can have thunderbolt, just in case, whats hackintosh got to do with that? i bet you 99% of hackintoshes dont have thunderbolt.

i can really see you buying a 250$ thunderbolt hard drive enclosure.

thunderbolt was released in 2011 , so what future proofing you talking about :)

 

You gotta give me some credit. 

Thunderbolt is very alive and well in audio world. There's a company called Universal Audio that make arguably the best plugins, and have arguably the best audio interface on the market (the Apollo), and they use thunderbolt. I'd like to get one once i save up the money in a year or 2. So i will need to have thunderbolt for that.

Another great company called Focusrite does interfaces through TB too.

If you don't think TB is a big thing in audio world, then maybe i'm talking to the wrong person here.

When recording audio you need as little latency as possible. Thunderbolt provides greater speed and less latency. It's what professional studios use.

Recording audio is a key part of having an audio workstation. Hence thunderbolt.

 

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watch some youtube case reviews

All i've been doing for the past week is watching youtube reviews.

At some point you gotta get real world experience from real people. That's why i'm reaching out on forums.

It seems i'm probably reaching in the wrong places at the moment.

 

Anyway thanks for your responses.

Cya

 

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yea. i dont do audio. have about 400 albums in itunes, thats about it. oh, i made some ring tones with audacity, so im a pro :)

 

ah, it's your first computer, damn, that explains a lot, sorry if you've said that before i might have missed it.. sorry if i got a bit cranky, believe me it's not easy, every case has a flaw, every motherboard has some quirks. 

 

damage your cpu with intel cooler? thats the problem with the internet, if you want to backup a claim that the world is flat i am sure you will find evidence of that somewhere.

 

my opinions that i give you come from many years of building etc.etc. i only build for select few and never have any issues..

 

and this my experience. (my first computer was a DX2-33MHz which i managed to break in the first 2 hours, saw that as a challenge, he he)

best case you can afford, no Kmart rubbish, they are cheap for a reason. i also started always going for most expensive mother boards the basic ones work just as well if the CPU is strong. and finally, futureproofing a PC is a dog chasing its own tail - if you ever watch that it's quite amusing.

you are much better off with a solid quality foundation to build upon with time than grabbing the first cheap thing you see no, like that graphic card 50$? for that? youre joking right? why even bother with 2gb? you much better off getting a GTX760 from gumtree for 60$ which will work out of the box on a hack. 770 if u can find one cheap, or even 780. your reluctance to even try the onboard GPU is weird mate, sorry to say, based on something you found on the internet lol. why dont you try for yourself?  im telling you straight up - it works very well on a hack.

sign up here: https://forums.overclockers.com.au/

friendly cool people.

 

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