Tyrant closes libraries

[OryHara]

Oh yeah, it's George Bush and his oil buddies ruining our air. Check out LA, Mexico City, places like that. His oil buddies have nothing to do with the pollution there. Bush isn't an enemy of planet earth by any means, and he is nowhere near laying waste to this beautiful planet.

You ever hear of the tragedy of Darth Bushes Tyrannus the retarded? Its not likely a story the Republicans would have told you. Darth Tyrannus was so dumb, and so powerful, that he started a war against a country without being provoked, and slaughtered millions of it's populations. Like most Tyrannus before Bushes, the one thing he was afraid of was.... loosing his oil profits. This is why Darth Bushes Tyrannus rigged the Senate to be... All republican. He had control over the senate, and the courts, and was too dangerous to be left alive. This is why his apprentice killed him in his sleep. He could start a war, but he couldn't protect himself... from the ides of March... Ironic. Isn't it?

 

Obi Wan - "My allegiance is to democracy, not to it's leader, which has somehow managed to stay in office long after his appointed term has expired."

Padme - "What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists. And the republic has become the very evil we are fighting to destroy."

 

You have somehow allowed this dark tyrant to twist your mind.. Untill now... Now you have become the very thing that you as an American have swore to fight against. I have no sympathy for you.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7X54q2Oxpyw

[wildcat69410]

You ever hear of the tragedy of Darth Bushes Tyrannus the retarded? Its not likely a story the Republicans would have told you. Darth Tyrannus was so dumb, and so powerful, that he started a war against a country without being provoked, and slaughtered millions of it's populations. Like most Tyrannus before Bushes, the one thing he was afraid of was.... loosing his oil profits. This is why Darth Bushes Tyrannus rigged the Senate to be... All republican. He had control over the senate, and the courts, and was too dangerous to be left alive. This is why his apprentice killed him in his sleep. He could start a war, but he couldn't protect himself... from the ides of March... Ironic. Isn't it?

 

Obi Wan - "My allegiance is to democracy, not to it's leader, which has somehow managed to stay in office long after his appointed term has expired."

Padme - "What if the democracy we thought we were serving no longer exists. And the republic has become the very evil we are fighting to destroy."

 

You have somehow allowed this dark tyrant to twist your mind.. Untill now... Now you have become the very thing that you as an American have swore to fight against. I have no sympathy for you.

 

http://youtube.com/watch?v=7X54q2Oxpyw

 

 

Haha, I got a good laugh out of that one. But seriously, it's not as bad as that.

[OryHara]

Haha, I got a good laugh out of that one. But seriously, it's not as bad as that.

But seriously though. Watch EP III, and listen closely. Its VERY similar to the current administration.

[SenVa]

I kinda this it was written based on the current Administration... Hollywood is vary left wing'ed. (I'm not saying that is bad, but I just think that is a possiblity.)

[wildcat69410]

I kinda this it was written based on the current Administration... Hollywood is vary left wing'ed. (I'm not saying that is bad, but I just think that is a possiblity.)

 

Yeah, you have a point. The majority of the time, whenever you can make a connection between today's politics, and a plotline of a movie, it wasn't because of coincidentals, it's because it was written that way. I'm not saying that this particular situation is an example, but it certainly points towards it. Anyone got George Lucas on speed-dial?

[killbot1000]

You are always mentioning extremes! Whenever you mention the random verses that contain negativity, you are bound to create a negative impression. You selected 8 verses from the Bible, and I'm sure that there are more. But still that's only 8 out of an entire book that promotes good morals. How about the Ten Commandments? I believe it is a positive thing for a leader to live by these commandments.

 

As for the non-religious person, I wouldn't pick them because they base their decisions on the continually reducing standards of society. At a certain level, they'd make some decent decisions, but when they begin to base their standards on the standards of society (which is inevitable), we'd end up getting crappier and crappier decisions that invade on moralic standards.

 

The biggest misconception here is that religious leaders rely completely on the Bible to guide them, and that they don't at all employ logic to solve their problems. They use a mix of both to help provide strong leadership that doesn't falter with society's problems. How about that?

 

Well, I guess if you think the 10 commandments are a positive, then slavery is ok? I guess we should just round 'em all up again. jk but seriously though...

 

Societies standards dont reduce and reduce and reduce, if this was the case we'd still be in the middle ages (the pinnacle of religous control by the way) Societie's standards just change overtime, they are not universal, and theres nothing wrong with that, honestly. Also, the book of which you speak does not promote good morals, half of the ten commandments arent even relavant to being a good person. If you read the context of the 10 commandments, they are very bad commandments actually. The punishments for not following them are absolutely ludacris. For example, if one is a rebellious teen to their parents, the parents are supposed to tell the elder, and then the elder is supposed to order the whole population to stone the boy TO DEATH, simply for talking back to his parents. Also, if one doesnt warship god, they are to be killed, if one commits adultery, both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death. (are you seeing the pattern here?) Sure death sounds ok when one is murdered, but talking back to your parents? come on! I hate to burst your bubble but parents arent perfect, they make mistakes, and sometimes (not usually) the child has a right to talk back. But thats just part of growing up, and most people grow out of it. They dont deserve to be stoned.

 

Also, you tell me Im looking at extremes, but what about the growing segment of the population that takes the bible literally. What about them? Because honestly, if you have to take one part literally, you cant just ignore the other part. The reason why people are even christians are because they pick and choose which rules to follow, they follow the rules that mesh well with their personality and ignore the rules that dont, so in reality they are not christians at all, but just act like it. If you really believe in the bible, then why dont you carry out its laws justly? According to the bible?

 

Also, I know leaders that are religious dont go 100% from the bible, I wasnt born yesterday, but overall the usually want to push the overall agenda of the bible, thats why we have "in god we trust" on our money added to it in the 1870's and why we have "under god" in the pledge, added in the 1950's. Seriously, were not founded on a christian nation, many of the founding fathers werent even christians. So its time to stop pretending they all were. Christianity isnt the mold for our nation, its not the way this nation is supposed to be, our founding fathers were trying to create something new, free from the old regime of christianity and "divine right".

 

Honestly, stop kidding yourself, youre not christian, and neither is the majority of America, its time to get out of our hole, and start admitting it, I dont want this legacy of the past on my shoulders, Id rather help people than kill them, just my point of view though, maybe im crazy

[wildcat69410]

Societies standards dont reduce and reduce and reduce, if this was the case we'd still be in the middle ages (the pinnacle of religous control by the way) Societie's standards just change overtime, they are not universal, and theres nothing wrong with that, honestly. Also, the book of which you speak does not promote good morals, half of the ten commandments arent even relavant to being a good person. If you read the context of the 10 commandments, they are very bad commandments actually. The punishments for not following them are absolutely ludacris. For example, if one is a rebellious teen to their parents, the parents are supposed to tell the elder, and then the elder is supposed to order the whole population to stone the boy TO DEATH, simply for talking back to his parents. Also, if one doesnt warship god, they are to be killed, if one commits adultery, both the adulterer and the adulteress are to be put to death. (are you seeing the pattern here?) Sure death sounds ok when one is murdered, but talking back to your parents? come on! I hate to burst your bubble but parents arent perfect, they make mistakes, and sometimes (not usually) the child has a right to talk back. But thats just part of growing up, and most people grow out of it. They dont deserve to be stoned.

 

Really? Then why today is promiscuous sex that much more popular? Then why today is our government so much more corrupt? Why are the moralic standards of societies being lowered, considerably? The answer is is because that society's standards are lowering. Sure, society does rise at points, but right now, we're going downhill pretty quickly. The 10 commandments promote a lot of standards that are necessary to be a good person, plus there are so many other segments in the Bible that promote high standards. And don't give me the context {censored}, God gave us the commandments, people interpreted them to extremes. The point of the 10 commandments is not to kill everybody that disobeys them, but to show what God wants us to do. The Punishments don't apply, it's the commandments that do. Logically that's just crazy. A good person follows these guidelines (at least the ones that apply to them). Not the punishments.

 

Also, you tell me Im looking at extremes, but what about the growing segment of the population that takes the bible literally. What about them? Because honestly, if you have to take one part literally, you cant just ignore the other part. The reason why people are even christians are because they pick and choose which rules to follow, they follow the rules that mesh well with their personality and ignore the rules that dont, so in reality they are not christians at all, but just act like it. If you really believe in the bible, then why dont you carry out its laws justly? According to the bible?

 

Uhm, because it's called the New Testament. We don't ignore rules, we follow them. Sure, nobody follows them perfectly, there's no perfect Christian (except Jesus). We still try though. People aren't Christians to avoid rules, they're Christians because they believe in God and Jesus Christ.

 

Also, I know leaders that are religious dont go 100% from the bible, I wasnt born yesterday, but overall the usually want to push the overall agenda of the bible, thats why we have "in god we trust" on our money added to it in the 1870's and why we have "under god" in the pledge, added in the 1950's. Seriously, were not founded on a christian nation, many of the founding fathers werent even christians. So its time to stop pretending they all were. Christianity isnt the mold for our nation, its not the way this nation is supposed to be, our founding fathers were trying to create something new, free from the old regime of christianity and "divine right".

 

The majority of the founding fathers did not attend Orthodox Services, that does not mean they didn't believe in God. Do you know the reason they left England originally? To be able to worship as they please. Christianity during that time period had a somewhat negative PR campaign. Add that in with the recent Enlightenment Period, and a lot of people didn't exactly subscribe to the Church. That doesn't mean the founding father's were all Athiests. Don't pretend they were. If our founding fathers were trying to create something new, then why did they refer to God in the Declaration of Independence? When we declared ourselves as our own, we specifically referred to God. Even when writing the Constitution, they weren't trying to get away from Christianity, that's just stupid. They wanted religion, and the freedom to worship as they choose. And no, that's not the liberalized freedom from religion.

 

Honestly, stop kidding yourself, youre not christian, and neither is the majority of America, its time to get out of our hole, and start admitting it, I dont want this legacy of the past on my shoulders, Id rather help people than kill them, just my point of view though, maybe im crazy

 

Oh yeah, I'm not christian am I. You'd really know, being a Christianity expert and all. You hardly know what you're talking about. I am a Christian, and I'm proud of it. You're the one that apparently has a problem with it, enough to declare me not a Christian. And actually, the majority of America is Christian. Check your statistics pal, you're way off. Around 80% of Adult Americans are Christian, according to the 2001 census. And what the hell does Christianity or Libraries have to do with killing people? You're not crazy, just misinformed.

[killbot1000]

Really? Then why today is promiscuous sex that much more popular? Then why today is our government so much more corrupt? Why are the moralic standards of societies being lowered, considerably? The answer is is because that society's standards are lowering. Sure, society does rise at points, but right now, we're going downhill pretty quickly. The 10 commandments promote a lot of standards that are necessary to be a good person, plus there are so many other segments in the Bible that promote high standards. And don't give me the context {censored}, God gave us the commandments, people interpreted them to extremes. The point of the 10 commandments is not to kill everybody that disobeys them, but to show what God wants us to do. The Punishments don't apply, it's the commandments that do. Logically that's just crazy. A good person follows these guidelines (at least the ones that apply to them). Not the punishments.

Uhm, because it's called the New Testament. We don't ignore rules, we follow them. Sure, nobody follows them perfectly, there's no perfect Christian (except Jesus). We still try though. People aren't Christians to avoid rules, they're Christians because they believe in God and Jesus Christ.

The majority of the founding fathers did not attend Orthodox Services, that does not mean they didn't believe in God. Do you know the reason they left England originally? To be able to worship as they please. Christianity during that time period had a somewhat negative PR campaign. Add that in with the recent Enlightenment Period, and a lot of people didn't exactly subscribe to the Church. That doesn't mean the founding father's were all Athiests. Don't pretend they were. If our founding fathers were trying to create something new, then why did they refer to God in the Declaration of Independence? When we declared ourselves as our own, we specifically referred to God. Even when writing the Constitution, they weren't trying to get away from Christianity, that's just stupid. They wanted religion, and the freedom to worship as they choose. And no, that's not the liberalized freedom from religion.

Oh yeah, I'm not christian am I. You'd really know, being a Christianity expert and all. You hardly know what you're talking about. I am a Christian, and I'm proud of it. You're the one that apparently has a problem with it, enough to declare me not a Christian. And actually, the majority of America is Christian. Check your statistics pal, you're way off. Around 80% of Adult Americans are Christian, according to the 2001 census. And what the hell does Christianity or Libraries have to do with killing people? You're not crazy, just misinformed.

 

I meant my statement metaphorically, I know the majority of americans SAY they are christian, but from the way they act, they arent christian, thats what I was trying to say.

 

Also, sex doesnt determine how a society is doing, thats been a hot button issue since humans have been around, it has very little to do with the overall health of the society, if people want to have permiscuous sex, let them, its none of your business, its religion thats made sexuality a thing to be ashamed of rather than a thing to celebrate. And youre right, I do have a problem with christianity, I have a problem with these kind of values being taught to children. Children being taught that Killing in the name of god is ok, but taking off your shirt is a big no no. Come on, thats just silly.

 

Im an atheist and im damn proud of it, I make my own path, I dont follow somebody elses path, I care about people from my own heart, not because somebody tells me to, I think of real ways to solve real problems, not speaking in platitudes, I know what im talking about, Im not stupid. And I dont think youre stupid either, we just dont agree, thats all, whos to say whos right? God? jk heheh

 

Im sorry I really have to focus on the sex issue, sex isnt bad, think about what we are, were animals, sexuality is one of the main fibers of our being, honestly you cant strip that part of humanity away, there will always be timid types and whoreish types, it has nothing to do with whats acceptable in society, would you rather go back to the victorian era and have women being called whores for showing their ankles? Honestly now, also have you forgotten about the double standard, men can pick up chicks all they want, but when women do it, suddenly they are being a {censored}. Its just plain wrong. If people focused on more important issues than boobies, we'd be a lot better off.

 

Also our government is more corrupt because of money and greed, and the need for power, not because were less religious heheh. Honestly to think that religion has anything to do with government corruption is crazy talk. The problem is that weve been a country for 200 years, and none of the original people that ruled the country are still around, the ideals we stood for are no longer our ideals, it happens to all nations, and really it has nothing to do with religion or lack thereof. It has everything to do with money, thats why the government is corrupt, because its all about the money (not that money is bad, but when its all about the money, thats when its a big problem).

 

Also, the founding fathers didnt come here so they could warship freely, unless youre forgetting british colonists were here as early as the 1600's, that group of people may have been fleeing religious percecution, but not 150 years later, they were just men, who made their own path. The religious right in this country is trying to re-write history, and im not gonna let that happen, here are just a few examples:

 

{George Washington, the first president of the United States, never declared himself a Christian according to contemporary reports or in any of his voluminous correspondence. Washington Championed the cause of freedom from religious intolerance and compulsion. When John Murray (a universalist who denied the existence of hell) was invited to become an army chaplain, the other chaplains petitioned Washington for his dismissal. Instead, Washington gave him the appointment. On his deathbed, Washinton uttered no words of a religious nature and did not call for a clergyman to be in attendance.}

 

{John Adams, the country's second president, was drawn to the study of law but faced pressure from his father to become a clergyman. He wrote that he found among the lawyers 'noble and gallant achievments" but among the clergy, the "pretended sanctity of some absolute dunces". Late in life he wrote: "Twenty times in the course of my late reading, have I been upon the point of breaking out, "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it!"

 

It was during Adam's administration that the Senate ratified the Treaty of Peace and Friendship, which states in Article XI that "the government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian Religion." }

 

{Thomas Jefferson, third president and author of the Declaration of Independence, said:"I trust that there is not a young man now living in the United States who will not die a Unitarian." He referred to the Revelation of St. John as "the ravings of a maniac" and wrote:

The Christian priesthood, finding the doctrines of Christ levelled to every understanding and too plain to need explanation, saw, in the mysticisms of Plato, materials with which they might build up an artificial system which might, from its indistinctness, admit everlasting controversy, give employment for their order, and introduce it to profit, power, and pre-eminence. The doctrines which flowed from the lips of Jesus himself are within the comprehension of a child; but thousands of volumes have not yet explained the Platonisms engrafted on them: and for this obvious reason that nonsense can never be explained." }

 

{James Madison, fourth president and father of the Constitution, was not religious in any conventional sense. "Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and unfits it for every noble enterprise."

"During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution." }

 

{Ethan Allen, whose capture of Fort Ticonderoga while commanding the Green Mountain Boys helped inspire Congress and the country to pursue the War of Independence, said, "That Jesus Christ was not God is evidence from his own words." In the same book, Allen noted that he was generally "denominated a Deist, the reality of which I never disputed, being conscious that I am no Christian." When Allen married Fanny Buchanan, he stopped his own wedding ceremony when the judge asked him if he promised "to live with Fanny Buchanan agreeable to the laws of God." Allen refused to answer until the judge agreed that the God referred to was the God of Nature, and the laws those "written in the great book of nature." }

 

{Benjamin Franklin, delegate to the Continental Congress and the Constitutional Convention, said:

As to Jesus of Nazareth, my Opinion of whom you particularly desire, I think the System of Morals and his Religion...has received various corrupting Changes, and I have, with most of the present dissenters in England, some doubts as to his Divinity; tho' it is a question I do not dogmatize upon, having never studied it, and think it needless to busy myself with it now, when I expect soon an opportunity of knowing the Truth with less trouble." He died a month later, and historians consider him, like so many great Americans of his time, to be a Deist, not a Christian. }

 

{The Treaty of Tripoli, passed by the U.S. Senate in 1797, read in part: "The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion." The treaty was written during the Washington administration, and sent to the Senate during the Adams administration. It was read aloud to the Senate, and each Senator received a printed copy. This was the 339th time that a recorded vote was required by the Senate, but only the third time a vote was unanimous (the next time was to honor George Washington). There is no record of any debate or dissension on the treaty. It was reprinted in full in three newspapers - two in Philadelphia, one in New York City. There is no record of public outcry or complaint in subsequent editions of the papers.}

 

So seriously, we were not founded on a christian nation, the first people to come here may have been freaky puritans, but the nation of the USA was not founded on christianity, and to say it is, is a total disregard for history

 

I bid good day to you sir.

[killbot1000]

No rebuttle?

[wildcat69410]

No rebuttle?

 

Haha, I haven't had much time. Just enough time to post 1 paragraph rebuttles on things, and enough to browse the other posts. I've started one, but I haven't finished it yet, lol. You'll see it soon.

[OryHara]

Its been hard to keep up on everything since the gas prices are dropping. Ive been swamped with business, since gas went down by $1 a gallon.

 

Gas is now $2.19 here. I would prefer it go back down to below 89 cents a gallon. The way I remember it when i started driving.

[wildcat69410]

Gas is now $2.19 here. I would prefer it go back down to below 89 cents a gallon. The way I remember it when i started driving.

 

Gas is 2.19? Where do you live? Where I am, Gas is still 2.69 at its lowest!

 

What I would give to see 89 cents on that big gas station sign, lol.

[killbot1000]

Gas is 2.19? Where do you live? Where I am, Gas is still 2.69 at its lowest!

 

What I would give to see 89 cents on that big gas station sign, lol.

 

2.69? where do you live, up here its 329 still ( I live in the highest price city in my state though)

[OryHara]

2.69? where do you live, up here its 329 still ( I live in the highest price city in my state though)

Damn. $3.29? There is something illegal afoot where you live.

 

Ill take some pictures and post them. What has happened is, a new guy reopened an old gas station here, and lowered his prices down to defeat the current regime of gas stations here that are owned by one man. It prices went from $2.89 t $2.28, then $2.18. He said, he plans on taking it down to $1.99 before the end of the month. Now the other gas stations have lowered their prices to complete.

 

The town is in an uproar about the whole thing, they are pissed at the other gas stations. The rich f***ers that are in power don't like it. But too damn bad for them. They got what was coming to them. The talk is, that the guy that owns the other gas stations may be going to jail for price gouging.

 

EDIT: I want to add that because of this. People at the current factories, (Ashley mostly), and everyone else, NOW have the money to drive to work, and extra cash to spend on something OTHER than something as stupid as gas. So now, my business has sparked up, and my profits are climbing. Ive been able to start giving again, and I feel better, and have been in a better mood, instead of worrying about how I'm gonna pay my bills.

[bluedragon1971]

Average around here (Jackson, MS) is about $2.15 or so, and dropping daily. What I don't understand though is the fact that on the Gulf Coast where my parents live, gas prices are generally 10 to 15 cents per gallon more than here, despite the fact that they have a major refinery in their town! And it isn't just an after effect of Hurricane Katrina, which devestated much of their area, as it was like this even before the storm.

[OryHara]

Average around here (Jackson, MS) is about $2.15 or so, and dropping daily.

It has gone down to $1.99 now. What is it where u are now? Still $2.15?

Yea, We arn't too far away. Ripley, MS here. Maybe we should start a Hackintosh users group?