re-book Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Hello Like I red today - it seems that the new Mac Pro has no TPM chip like the other x86-Macs. So how will it run 10.4. ? Will Apple use a new kind of protection ? Or is the TPM integrated in the chip set? Is there already a installation disk of a Mac Pro in the wild? re-book Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Where did you read that the Mac Pro has no TPM? I really doubt that is true. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-170789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabberslasher Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Yes I thought the TPM was part of the Intel chipset? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-170792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
re-book Posted August 20, 2006 Author Share Posted August 20, 2006 Where did you read that the Mac Pro has no TPM? I really doubt that is true. ct, germans best computer magazin ( http://www.heise.de/ct ) c't 18/06, page 44 re-book Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-170813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 Yes I thought the TPM was part of the Intel chipset? No, the TPM chip itself is an optional addition to Intel chipsets. ct, germans best computer magazin ( http://www.heise.de/ct ) c't 18/06, page 44 re-book Well that certainly is a reputable source, but I can seem to find an onlne version of the magazine. It is availble? What exactly does it say (in German)? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-170845 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kerimeton Posted August 20, 2006 Share Posted August 20, 2006 ive never seen this magazine at any magazine shop. still, i might have looked over it. either way, what would it mean. Aplpe has a different way to secure its OS? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-170873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
re-book Posted August 21, 2006 Author Share Posted August 21, 2006 No, the TPM chip itself is an optional addition to Intel chipsets.Well that certainly is a reputable source, but I can seem to find an onlne version of the magazine. It is availble? What exactly does it say (in German)? I think they put the articles online when there is the next print magazin. Still than you have to pay if want to read it online. In German: "Ein Trusted Plattform Module (TPM) wie in den anderen x86-Macs konnten wir im Mac Pro nicht ausmachen. Über einen vorhandenen Low-Pin-Count-Anschluss (LPC) ließe sich ein solches jedoch nachrüsten." I will try a translation: "In the Mac Pro we could not find a Trusted Plattform Module (TPM) like in all the other x86-Macs, but on the logic board is a Low-Pin-Count-Slot, where it should be possible to add one." re-book Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slipstream Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 heres the though maybe apple decided it didnt need one as they are banking on the fact that it's Mac Pro is cheaper than it's competitors.. just a cheeky thought but wouldn't it be great if they have set a trend which has been alluded to to Phil Shiller that they will be cheap or cheaper for comaprablle hardware Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Lin Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 mac pro motherboard go to the last pic at top left....TPM chip on a mac Pro Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171057 Share on other sites More sharing options...
re-book Posted August 21, 2006 Author Share Posted August 21, 2006 mac pro motherboardgo to the last pic at top left....TPM chip on a mac Pro I can not read the chip lable, so ............. re-book Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 In German:"Ein Trusted Plattform Module (TPM) wie in den anderen x86-Macs konnten wir im Mac Pro nicht ausmachen. Über einen vorhandenen Low-Pin-Count-Anschluss (LPC) ließe sich ein solches jedoch nachrüsten." I will try a translation: "In the Mac Pro we could not find a Trusted Plattform Module (TPM) like in all the other x86-Macs, but on the logic board is a Low-Pin-Count-Slot, where it should be possible to add one." Thanks. I sound like they might have just missed it. I can not read the chip lable, so ............. I cannot read these either, but if Steven Lin was able to determine that one is TPM chip, I am going to accept that result for now because I would be extremely surprized if the Mac Pro did not have a TPM chip. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Lin Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Thanks. I sound like they might have just missed it.I cannot read these either, but if Steven Lin was able to determine that one is TPM chip, I am going to accept that result for now because I would be extremely surprized if the Mac Pro did not have a TPM chip. http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/85.10.16.html Same TPM Chip as MacBook Pro,MacBook and Mac mini Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171389 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grabberslasher Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 Yes, I don't think they can run on Intel without an on-chip decrypter, unless they remove all of that protection they added with the Don't Steal Mac OS X kext. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171414 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert0 Grande Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 I wonder. Has anybody tried cloning the chip and dumping it so we know the encryption codes? Not saying that we should because of legal reasons, but hey who knows right? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171441 Share on other sites More sharing options...
re-book Posted August 21, 2006 Author Share Posted August 21, 2006 Thanks. I sound like they might have just missed it.I cannot read these either, but if Steven Lin was able to determine that one is TPM chip, I am going to accept that result for now because I would be extremely surprized if the Mac Pro did not have a TPM chip. Steven has some photos with bad resolution, they had the machine ! It is very rare that they write {censored}. So if you ask me, I trust them. Florian Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted August 21, 2006 Share Posted August 21, 2006 mac pro motherboardgo to the last pic at top left....TPM chip on a mac Pro Steven, in the interest of settling this question, can you explain how you are able to identify the TPM chip and state exactly which chip it is in the pic you referenced (attached)? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-171519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
re-book Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 If you read this: http://www.heise.de/security/news/meldung/76649 Things become clearer. I think the OS of the Mac Pro has a different code base than the other CoreMacs. Perhaps they don't need the TPM anymore. The question is how often do they want to fork ? re-book Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-172259 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Lin Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 maybe the mac pro that dt magzine reviewed got a Airport MINI PCIE Card; so the TPM chip is covered by Air Port Extreme. there is surely a TPM Chip on a mac pro. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91459 http://fugger.netfirms.com/mobo1.jpg mac mini same TPM Chip on the top right. http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/ http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/85/images_large/45.jpg macbook pro center bottom Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-172274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Thanks Steven. The other way to settle this would be to try to programatically access the TPM chip on a Mac Pro. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-172292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
re-book Posted August 22, 2006 Author Share Posted August 22, 2006 maybe the mac pro that dt magzine reviewed got a Airport MINI PCIE Card;so the TPM chip is covered by Air Port Extreme. there is surely a TPM Chip on a mac pro. http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=91459 http://fugger.netfirms.com/mobo1.jpg mac mini same TPM Chip on the top right. http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/ http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/85/images_large/45.jpg macbook pro center bottom The square chip you mean is no tpm. For you orientation: http://www.flickr.com/photos/paoloattivissimo/tags/tpm/ Perhaps some one knows what that is ? re-book Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-172318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bofors Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 The square chip you mean is no tpm. I don't know what the square chip is, but Re-book is correct. I had expected the TPM to look like this: Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-172336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwprod12 Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 I don't know what the square chip is, but Re-book is correct. I had expected the TPM to look like this: The infineon logo is sort of a giveaway. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-172341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Lin Posted August 22, 2006 Share Posted August 22, 2006 Sorry, I really make a mistake. I appoligize. that's a MCU Chip. http://documentation.renesas.com/eng/produ...01b0013_h8s.pdf Check the security part Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-172346 Share on other sites More sharing options...
troisd Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Pardon my ignorance if I'm wrong, but Steven Lin's "Bluetooth" tag on the image is actually an AirPort card. 1) It says so on the motherboard, and 2) it has an antenna plug connected to it. Perhaps because of its blue color he thought it was bluetooth?!? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-177789 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superhai Posted August 30, 2006 Share Posted August 30, 2006 Still no one can answer if the macpro has tpm or not? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/25258-mac-pro-no-tpm/#findComment-177817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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