floepie Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I've only perused these boards for a day or two, and I know I have a lot to learn! It seems most tutorials assume that a prior Leopard install is present. Must this be the case? I can get access to a mac to do whatever it takes to get the tools necessary for an install on my PC, but before I tackle wading through all the Leopard tutorials first, I thought I may just be able to install SL directly. Thanks... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelgord Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Not at all. I have just finished a clean install from the SL 10.6.0 retail DVD (only $25 at frye's in atlanta, ga). The upgrade proved a bit tricky but I am now running 10.6.2 with no problems. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
floepie Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 OK, thanks... I'm looking at the [TOTALLY VANILLA] Retail Snow Leopard guide here: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=183751. The only part I'm curious about is Part 1 - generating DSDT.aml. Wouldn't this step mandate that I be on the machine I intend to install SL? In other words, would I be able to do all the pre-installation steps on a real MAC, for instance? Is any part of that guide deprecated? It's a guide from Sept 09, so fairly recent. Can you tell me which guide worked for you to install SL without a prior osx86 install? Thanks... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
macusers Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 OK, thanks... I'm looking at the [TOTALLY VANILLA] Retail Snow Leopard guide here: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=183751. The only part I'm curious about is Part 1 - generating DSDT.aml. Wouldn't this step mandate that I be on the machine I intend to install SL? In other words, would I be able to do all the pre-installation steps on a real MAC, for instance? Is any part of that guide deprecated? It's a guide from Sept 09, so fairly recent. Can you tell me which guide worked for you to install SL without a prior osx86 install? Thanks... If you can find boot cd iso that work on your hardware then you don't need a working Mac, you can burn the boot iso cd with your PC, otherwise you must have access to a real Mac or a Mackintosh to prepare for a either a boot USB drive or a boot CD and yes, That TOTALLY VANILA method work best by generate your DSDT file on the same system which you are going to install SL on. You can try Empire EFI boot iso. I can't post link here because of the rules, but you can google for it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelgord Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 In the top of that post it says you must have a working osx system to begin with. All you need to get started is the chameleon boot cd and a retail dvd. Thats all I used to get it booted to the desktop. I then applied fixes to ethernet first (so I could download kexts directly to my mac), then video, then audio, then smaller stuff. No hacking required. No wacky unstable kernels ( I use the one provided by apple). All I needed was the correct drivers. It took me a bit longer than I expected (two and half days) and few restarts from scratch. but once I had the process for doing it down it got faster with each go. Once I got everything working it was time to upgrade to the latest version (10.6.2). I just knew this was going to kill my mac so I was prepared for it. Since I dual boot with windows 7 I installed the trial version of "mac drive 8" and to mount the Mac hd partition in to windows, and "transmac" to open and edit .dmg files that reside on the mac drive. Turns out I just had to delete one file and poof, upgrade fixed. My system is stable and running great. All I have "added" to the os is a boot loader and some driver kexts. the OS is untouched, as it should be. I find have fewer problems this way. I have tried various methods on the net. In the end you have to do what works for your hardware needs and skill levels are. I was a newbie too. I was just to damn stubborn to quit. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamis2001 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 Hi, is there any guide that give a good tutorial for a total newbie. I am not very familiar with Mac OS of any flavor. I am currently building my Windows 7 machine using one of the compatible MB (Gigabyte EP45-UD3P) and most of the compatible hardware from the lifehacker guide with the exceptions of graphic card. I have two ATI Radeon 4850 for crossfire. I have been reading this forum and I think I found a lot of guides that addresses the problems that I might encounter but I am not familiar most of the basic terminologies and (such as kext, Chameleon, etc.) If there is location for this kind of info for a total newbie it would be much helpful. Thanks, -Johnny Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349400 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamis2001 Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 I don't know of any guide for the terminology, it would be a great help for beginners.Chameleon is a bootloader essentially, in osx86 it can do more with things like hidden EFI partitions, Kexts are extensions or drivers for things like video card, audio etc. The more you read this & other forums the more you will understand. Essentially the more research you can do the better. Thanks for the tips. I need to ask a simple question: I understand the process of preping the install media (USB flash drive, etc,) but will SL install if I don't have an Nvidia Card? In other words, can I get far along in the installation to a stage where I can make the necessary modifications to enable full support for the ATI cards? I ask this because my MB doesn't have on board video so I wonder if I need to borrow an Nvidia card somewhere and get it started. Then change to the ATI cards afterward. Thanks in advance, -Johnny Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349707 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thelgord Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 ATI seems to have more issues than NVidea, but I don't think it's impossible. It will install with just about any video card. The issue arrises when you want more than 800x600 16bit color. I suggest you ask around the video hardware section of this board and see search previous posts for a similar setup to the one you're trying to build. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajas Posted December 3, 2009 Share Posted December 3, 2009 OK, thanks... I'm looking at the [TOTALLY VANILLA] Retail Snow Leopard guide here: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=183751. The only part I'm curious about is Part 1 - generating DSDT.aml. Wouldn't this step mandate that I be on the machine I intend to install SL? In other words, would I be able to do all the pre-installation steps on a real MAC, for instance? Is any part of that guide deprecated? It's a guide from Sept 09, so fairly recent. Can you tell me which guide worked for you to install SL without a prior osx86 install? Thanks... that depends.. what kind of machine is this going on? desktop? laptop? model number etc., is needed to be known before you get any useful help. as the installation and settings are different from hardware to hardware. so, post your pc spec. I have a dell inspiron e1505/6400 clean installed with boot132 cd and retail snow leopard dvd without the use of a prior os x version on my machine. (and dual booting with win xp via chameleon) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
floepie Posted December 3, 2009 Author Share Posted December 3, 2009 I also have a 6400/e1505, but my intention is to install to a desktop. Abit IP35 Pro motherboard, Intel E2200 Dual Core, onboard audio (ALC888) and ATI HD3450. It seems that the ATI may create some problems. It's good to know you are dual booting Windows and OSx86 on the same physical drive. I was anticipating throwing another HDD into the desktop for this purpose, but as I use it as a HTPC, I'd rather not. So, I think I'm going to partition one of the two existing drives for the install instead. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1349989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamis2001 Posted December 4, 2009 Share Posted December 4, 2009 ATI seems to have more issues than NVidea, but I don't think it's impossible. It will install with just about any video card. The issue arrises when you want more than 800x600 16bit color. I suggest you ask around the video hardware section of this board and see search previous posts for a similar setup to the one you're trying to build. Thanks! That helps! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/200649-must-a-prior-os-x-version-be-installed-prior-to-installing-sl/#findComment-1350282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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