staticwow Posted December 6, 2008 Share Posted December 6, 2008 After reading these forums, yeah I know of Kalyway and boot-132, I know what a kext is, but I'm not getting the big picture. I know that this is all designed to put OS X onto a PC but I guess I'm looking for more. Hopefully this will help other people coming here trying to learn more about OSx86, esp. the less than computer-saavy like me. I know that the BIOS loads/starts up the OS and is the the middle man between the OS and everything else- monitor, dvd player, etc. PC's use BIOS and Intel Macs use EFI, which is just another type of BIOS. Which is why loading OS X onto a dell won't work. So the main issue with OSx86 is getting the BIOS and EFI instructions to work together, right? Now with Kalyway, iDeneb, boot-132, etc. is the BIOS "updated" to EFI? Which would be a bit sketch since that could fubar your computer. OR is it... OSX-EFI-kalyway et. al-BIOS-hardware? So does that mean every instruction has to be translated into something that the PC can understand? And I've also read that the boot-132 option does not mess with apple.boot.plist, which is supposed to be an advantage? If it doesn't do that, then how does boot-132 work? Maybe I've got this wrong, but is boot-132 different compared to a kalyway in the way that they get OS X to run? I know that to install boot-132, it uses a boot-loader, then the retail DVD. Isn't kalyway more or less the same but with a unlicensed OS X? Thanks! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
adrock42 Posted December 7, 2008 Share Posted December 7, 2008 Correct me if I'm wrong, OSX86 in it's vanilla form is just a set of instructions that tells OSX that the hardware is actually apple hardware, specifically that the EFI hardware is apple in origin (kinda like a hardware dongle). This allows OSX to run on non-supported hardware. There really is not translation that takes place, but specific drivers need to be written for peripherals like Sound, Video, etc. that are also not supported by apple. OSX will infact run on many different systems, but because apple likes to have control over the system, and likes to be able to offer a very streamlined, easy to use, with out problems (mostly), system they do not support installing OSX on non-supported hardware. Unless you are really lucky, you dont get the same streamlined, easy to use, with out problems (mostly) system with OSX86, that you get when you buy a piece of apple hardware. What you do get is a much more customizable system at a fraction of the cost. Being an exG5 owner I especially like the abilty to add a crazy cooling system and control the fans with a knob. OSX is also so beautiful that most hardware only requires changing some numbers in a string to properly work with the os. And no registry is wonderful too. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/#findComment-990921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staticwow Posted December 7, 2008 Author Share Posted December 7, 2008 Correct me if I'm wrong,OSX86 in it's vanilla form is just a set of instructions that tells OSX that the hardware is actually apple hardware, specifically that the EFI hardware is apple in origin (kinda like a hardware dongle). This allows OSX to run on non-supported hardware. There really is not translation that takes place, but specific drivers need to be written for peripherals like Sound, Video, etc. that are also not supported by apple. OSX will infact run on many different systems, but because apple likes to have control over the system, and likes to be able to offer a very streamlined, easy to use, with out problems (mostly), system they do not support installing OSX on non-supported hardware. Unless you are really lucky, you dont get the same streamlined, easy to use, with out problems (mostly) system with OSX86, that you get when you buy a piece of apple hardware. What you do get is a much more customizable system at a fraction of the cost. Being an exG5 owner I especially like the abilty to add a crazy cooling system and control the fans with a knob. OSX is also so beautiful that most hardware only requires changing some numbers in a string to properly work with the os. And no registry is wonderful too. Thanks for the reply, that clears things up. So then is there a different way that kalyway goes about installing OS X onto a PC vs. boot-132? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/#findComment-991070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 Kalyway is a prepatched DVD. It has a version of OS X patched to work on PC. Some extensions have been modified to fool OS X. Boot-132 is a bootloader that enables one to load the retail OS X install DVD. None of them mess up your BIOS or anything. It uses a different method, with less Modifications. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/#findComment-991512 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Hurt Posted December 8, 2008 Share Posted December 8, 2008 to put it simply, we used a patched boot loader that is compatible with our PCs BIOS (without actually touching it) to use information given to it by BIOS about hardware, convert it to EFI info and inject it to OS X to make it boot as if the system was a real mac. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/#findComment-991545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staticwow Posted December 8, 2008 Author Share Posted December 8, 2008 Would it be correct in saying that boot-132 is more stable because there is less modification? It sounds like you trade off ease of installation for stability with boot-132 since you have to make the boot loader before you can install OS X. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/#findComment-992098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 Actually, I have never had any forms of instability with any type of OSx86, from Jas 10.4.7 to today! Thus I would not say Boot-132 is more stable. I would say go for the easiest installation, or whatever is your preference. The advantage of Boot-132 is that you can set it up so that you can update from Software update, with the extra partition method. Me, I just installed iAtkos...working nicely. One day I will use Boot-132. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/#findComment-992470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hecker Posted December 9, 2008 Share Posted December 9, 2008 I don't think that Boot-132 is more stable per-se. But it is a lot easier to manage, since all of the modifications go into an extre folder (or partition). Being able to update without having to restore system files is a real relief! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/#findComment-992507 Share on other sites More sharing options...
staticwow Posted December 11, 2008 Author Share Posted December 11, 2008 Boot-132 with the extra partition method is the way I'm going to install OS X on my dell. I'm all ready to go... except my dell is not here yet. It will be here (hopefully) next Fri. And I have a ~2wk break. Oh man, I can't wait! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/139793-what-is-osx86-looking-for-a-more-detailed-description/#findComment-995445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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