chinasky Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Hello, i got the hack of my signature and i have an strange problem. If i don´t overclock the system the hack wakes up from sleep without problems, but when i configure it overclocked and i press the button the system tries to wake up and stops, again and again and i have to press the buttom for 30sec to shutdown the pc. any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Hello, i got the hack of my signature and i have an strange problem. If i don´t overclock the system the hack wakes up from sleep without problems, but when i configure it overclocked and i press the button the system tries to wake up and stops, again and again and i have to press the buttom for 30sec to shutdown the pc. any ideas? Sounds like your memory is unstable with the overclock. Is your machine prime and memtest+ stable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinasky Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 i don´t have windows installed...,is there any similiar app. in mac? even if the overclock is just a bit (@2.30 for example) the sleep mode dont work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmegaAvenger Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 There are plenty of cd based ramtest utilites http://oca.microsoft.com/en/windiag.asp is free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 You really can't do effective overclock testing without Windows. I mean you could build a custom BartPE disk with all the current utilities and drivers for your hardware, but that would be a pain in the butt. I just use a small stripped down install of Vista x64 on it's own partition with all the overclocking utilities. If you want to give me your bios settings I can get you in the ballpark. Also give me the manufacturer of your ram and the type, speed, etc. Also, what type of CPU cooler are you using? Use this template: Robust Graphics Booster___________ CPU Clock Ratio (Note)____________ CPU Host Clock Control_ CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________ PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ C.I.A. 2__________________________ System Memory Multiplier (SPD)____ Memory Frequency (Mhz) DRAM Timing Selectable [Manual] CAS Latency Time - Dram RAS# to CAS# - Dram RAS# Precharge Delay - Precharge Delay (tRAS) - ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD) Rank Write to READ Delay Write to Precharge Delay Refresh to ACT Delay Read to Precharge Delay Memory Performance Enhance High Speed DRAM DLL Settings ******** System Voltage NOT Optimized ******** <---Ignore blinking red BS . System Voltage Control____ [Manual] DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ FSB OverVoltage Control___ (G)MCH OverVoltage Control CPU Voltage Control_______ Normal CPU Vcore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinasky Posted June 14, 2008 Author Share Posted June 14, 2008 Ram: kingston value ram KVR667D2N5K2/2G CPU cooler: Xigmatek hdts1283 I have now default settings, if you want we can start with a little oc... NOTE: * not shown in bios **shown in bios Robust Graphics Booster___________auto CPU Clock Ratio (Note)____________ 11X CPU Host Clock Control_____________disable CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________200 PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ auto C.I.A. 2__________________________ disable System Memory Multiplier (SPD)______ auto Memory Frequency (Mhz) ___________667 DRAM Timing Selectable____________ [auto] CAS Latency Time _________________5 Dram RAS# to CAS# - 5 Dram RAS# Precharge Delay - 5 Precharge Delay (tRAS) - 15 ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD) _3 Rank Write to READ Delay _3 Write to Precharge Delay _5 Refresh to ACT Delay _36 Read to Precharge Delay _3 Static tRead Value__3 static tRead Phase Adjust_0 *Memory Performance Enhance *High Speed DRAM DLL Settings ******** System Voltage NOT Optimized ******** <---Ignore blinking red BS . System Voltage Control____ [Manual] DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ normal PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ normal FSB OverVoltage Control___normal (G)MCH OverVoltage Control _normal **Loadline Calibration_auto CPU Voltage Control_______ 1.30000 Normal CPU Vcore_________1.30000 thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Kinda cheesy ram. Nice cpu sink. Hit ctrl + F1 at the main bios screen and see if this unlock some other options. Try this: Robust Graphics Booster___________auto CPU Clock Ratio (Note)____________ 10X CPU Host Clock Control_____________disable CPU Host Frequency (MHz)__________333 PCI Express Frequency (Mhz)_______ 102 C.I.A. 2__________________________ disable System Memory Multiplier (SPD)______ 2.0 Memory Frequency (Mhz) ___________667 DRAM Timing Selectable____________ [manual] CAS Latency Time _________________5 Dram RAS# to CAS# - 5 Dram RAS# Precharge Delay - 5 Precharge Delay (tRAS) - 15 ACT to ACT Delay (tRRD) _ auto Rank Write to READ Delay _ auto Write to Precharge Delay _ auto Refresh to ACT Delay _ auto Read to Precharge Delay _ auto Static tRead Value__ auto static tRead Phase Adjust_ auto *Memory Performance Enhance *High Speed DRAM DLL Settings ******** System Voltage NOT Optimized ******** <---Ignore blinking red BS . System Voltage Control____ [Manual] DDR2 OverVoltage Control__ + 0.1 PCI-E OverVoltage Control_ normal FSB OverVoltage Control__ normal (G)MCH OverVoltage Control _ + 0.1 **Loadline Calibration_auto CPU Voltage Control_______ 1.35 Normal CPU Vcore_________1.30000 See what that does. Btw, there are lots of good threads on the E4500 on various O/C forums. Google it. That ram is gonna limit you, though. Kingston ram is {censored} unless you get lucky. Might I suggest some mid range GeIL, Mushkin, or G.Skill. Crucial Balllistix works well, too... and it's cheap. Only probably with Ballistix is it doesn't last all that long at voltages over 2.0v or so. Also, if you push any ram over 2.0v be sure to active cool it. I wouldn't push that cheap Kingston over 1.9. Do the finger test and see how hot it gets. I have 4 gigs of GeIL (GX24GB6400LDCB) that I got for $65 bucks after rebate. Runs easily at 1000MHz+ with 5-4-4-8 timings. Freakin' stuff flies for cheap ram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinasky Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 The system boots well but sleep still no working, even with a small oc (@2.30) In two weeks or so i´ll do some changes to my board (memory,cpu and psu) we´ll see the results thanks for your help vaporATX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Does it sleep ok using a older sleep kernel? Sleep is working fine on my machine with the 9.3 vanilla kernel as is restart. Shutdown is hit or miss unless I manually snuff cores 1-3 before I shutdown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsweeting Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Vapor... I too don't have any Windows partitions I can boot into - and I agree, you kinda need windows for those tools. But I do have an XP VM. Do you think it would be ok to run Prime / memtest via virtualization? BTW - Just wanted to say thx to you for the advice the other week on the overclock settings - system is running super quick now. I also used your little guide on Mysticus C's thread to upgrade to 10.5.3 - and that worked a charm (no diskutil errors!) had to replacce the same kexts as you plus the new JMicron kext. So props to you sir! I haven't tried restart yet using 9.3 vanilla kernel, so I'll see if it works for me also. I have the same issue as you for shutdown... works sometimes, unless I kill 3 cores using CHUD. I haven't tried sleep either, so I'll try that also. Chinasky... I'm running overclocked too, so I'll see if I can get my machine to sleep.... I've got real cr@p RAM too. My GeIL is turning up next week ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinasky Posted June 15, 2008 Author Share Posted June 15, 2008 Does it sleep ok using a older sleep kernel? Sleep is working fine on my machine with the 9.3 vanilla kernel as is restart. Shutdown is hit or miss unless I manually snuff cores 1-3 before I shutdown. tried differents kernel with no luck and use same method for shutdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 Vapor... I too don't have any Windows partitions I can boot into - and I agree, you kinda need windows for those tools. But I do have an XP VM. Do you think it would be ok to run Prime / memtest via virtualization? Never tried that, but I doubt you could get it to use all the cores. Plus, none of the monitoring utils will work. You can monitor temps with Temperture Monitor, but you won't be able to monitor voltages to check vDroop at various vCore settings. As far as memtest86+ goes I use the boot disk for that anyway. Running Memtest in windows doesn't give very accurate results. You can get the boot disk HERE BTW - Just wanted to say thx to you for the advice the other week on the overclock settings - system is running super quick now. I also used your little guide on Mysticus C's thread to upgrade to 10.5.3 - and that worked a charm (no diskutil errors!) had to replacce the same kexts as you plus the new JMicron kext. So props to you sir! No problem. Glad to help. It's nice to see somebody willing to read, learn, and experiment instead of bitching, moaning, and expecting people to do everything for them like so many posters here. Plus you say thank you... another rarity here. I haven't tried restart yet using 9.3 vanilla kernel, so I'll see if it works for me also. I have the same issue as you for shutdown... works sometimes, unless I kill 3 cores using CHUD. I haven't tried sleep either, so I'll try that also. Chinasky... I'm running overclocked too, so I'll see if I can get my machine to sleep.... I've got real cr@p RAM too. My GeIL is turning up next week ;-) After a fresh reboot shutdown works fine. If the machine has been on for a few hours it'll just partially shutdown and leave the fans running unless I snuff the cores first. I guess I should write an apple script that snuffs the cores and initates shutdown and just drop it in my dock... I'm kinda lazy, though. What GeIL did you get? GeIL uses those awsome Micron D9 chips. Damn things are almost bulletproof. That's why the Black Dragons could get away without using heat spreaders. The black GeILs I posted about are pretty much the same sticks as the black dragons but with heat spreaders minus the LEDs. I wish I could afford some Black Dragon Evos, but I'm saving up for a new build. Gonna be based on the soon to be released DFI P45 boards, DDR3, and a Q9450. Looking for 4.5GHz+ on water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsweeting Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 I didn't really think using VM would be a viable solution! Cheers for the link to memtest... I'll use that. This is the RAM I've ordered: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....GB22GB8500C5DC) Am looking forward to getting it into my rig! The only peice left after the RAM is the GFX card. Then I'll be finished (well for a few months at least ;-)) Sleep and restart don't seem to be working for me on overclocked settings, or even using stock settings.... hmmmnn. Think I need to revisit my power management settings in the BIOS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 15, 2008 Share Posted June 15, 2008 I didn't really think using VM would be a viable solution! Cheers for the link to memtest... I'll use that. This is the RAM I've ordered: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct....GB22GB8500C5DC) Am looking forward to getting it into my rig! The only peice left after the RAM is the GFX card. Then I'll be finished (well for a few months at least ;-)) Sleep and restart don't seem to be working for me on overclocked settings, or even using stock settings.... hmmmnn. Think I need to revisit my power management settings in the BIOS. What power settings do you have now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsweeting Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Here's what I have at the moment: ACPI Suspend Type = S3(STR) Soft-Off by PWR-BTTN = Instant-Off PME Event Wake Up = Disabled Power on by Ring = Disabled Resume by Alarm = Disabled HPET Support = Disabled Power on by Mouse = Disabled Power on by Keyboard = Disabled AC Back Function = Soft-Off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Looks good to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamsweeting Posted June 16, 2008 Share Posted June 16, 2008 Hmmnnn... The plot thickens then. Was kinda hoping you'd go "Change X or Y" Never mind eh! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinasky Posted June 18, 2008 Author Share Posted June 18, 2008 VaporAtx i´ve updated my system (i use now the E4500 for my htpc) with this: Q6600 nvidia 8800GTS ram Geil 2x1 GB22GB6400C4DC, Black Dragon Series (800) I dont what to make high oc, lets say 3Ghz; what bios settings do you think could be good? i checked previous adamsweeting post, and maybe the configuration could be similar, what do you think? thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaporATX Posted June 18, 2008 Share Posted June 18, 2008 Q6600 should do 3GHz without breaking a sweat. Try 333 x 9 @ stock voltage. If it's unstable start bumping the vCore a little at a time until it's stable. Leave your memory timimgs loose until you get a stable cpu overclock, then worry about tightening your timings. With that memory you have I'd go ahead and go for 3.2 (401 x 8). You will have to give it some vCore and maybe some NBv to get there, but it should be minimal. I can get 3.2 out of most G0 6600s at about 1.35. At 3.4 usually 1.37-38. At 3.6 and up the voltage starts getting scarier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulos Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I have the same problem, and its no instability issue. I've checked that with hours and houres of prime95 and memtest86 Se my topic here for specs: http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=146276 Any news on the subject. Any solution?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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