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Does anyone know how to slipstream updates into a Tiger Install DVD?

 

I have an Oct PB that is acting up and I seem to have left my DVD's for it back home over break. I still have my Tiger DVD I bought to Upgrade the Mac Mini but that disc is 10.4.0 and I need at least 10.4.3 in order for my PB to be recognized.

 

Can someone help?

 

My Mac Mini and PB have DVD burners so I can work on either, this is important in case the PB stop working all together between now and then.

wollarintj
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I don't know how to upgrade the DVD installer, but here's how you can get OS X on your PowerBook:

 

1. Buy a 6-pin to 6-pin firewire cable. You can get it at Walmart, Best Buy, Circuit City, etc.

2. With both machines off, connect your PowerBook to your Mini using the Firewire cable.

3. Hold down the T key can turn on your PowerBook. Don't let go until you get the screen with the firewire symbol.

4. Boot your Mac Mini off of the OS X Install disc (Hold C when powering it on to boot from CD).

5. Your PowerBook hard drive will show up in the Installer. Install to the Firewire hard drive. (You may need to go to Utilities -> Disk Utility and format it first).

6. After this is finished installing, your Mini will boot off of your PowerBook's hard drive.

7. Install all of the updates while still booted up from the PowerBook HD on your Mini.

8. After you finish installing all of the updates, turn off both computers.

 

And there you go, OS X 10.4.5 on your PowerBook!

 

Just remember, you can use Target Mode (T) to get files off of other Macs, or boot off of their hard drives. Target mode is one of the best features of a Mac, it (temporarily) turns your computer into an external hard drive.

lane
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Yeah that will work if it comes down to it... I am really hoping to not have to spend all that time...

 

My mini is in a rack of audio/video stuff on top the tv so to disconnect it and go through all that would be a pain...

 

It is as of now my best bet though... I am gonna mess around with creating the image myself on my pc where I can see all the hidden files and possibly maintain the boot structure...

bluedragon1971
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Yeah that will work if it comes down to it... I am really hoping to not have to spend all that time...

 

My mini is in a rack of audio/video stuff on top the tv so to disconnect it and go through all that would be a pain...

 

It would only take a couple seconds longer than installing directly on the PowerBook in the first place. Is it THAT hard for you to reach the rear of the Mac mini to plug in the FireWire cable?? If so, you should really rethink the way you have your entertainment center set up.

DeathChill
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Well, wouldn't you just make an image of your DVD and then download the combo updater from Apple's site and use Pacifist to extract everything and replace the files on the DVD with 'em? I guess it depends on how they're stored on the DVD (e.g. KEXT's).

lane
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It would only take a couple seconds longer than installing directly on the PowerBook in the first place. Is it THAT hard for you to reach the rear of the Mac mini to plug in the FireWire cable?? If so, you should really rethink the way you have your entertainment center set up.

Think more along the lines of taking the Mac mini out of the media center and setting it up with a monitor, etc... so I can use it for this purpose. I currently have it hooked to a 20-year-old 53" CRT TV that the text is indecipherable on.

 

 

Well, wouldn't you just make an image of your DVD and then download the combo updater from Apple's site and use Pacifist to extract everything and replace the files on the DVD with 'em? I guess it depends on how they're stored on the DVD (e.g. KEXT's).

 

I will try this idea thanks for telling me about pacifist.

Andrew McNaughton
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I haven't verified this is working when burnt to DVD... last time it worked for me was 10.4.2... but a great, easy way to make an updated install DVD is to use Apple's System Image Utility. Unfortunately, it doesn't update the boot system on the DVD... but the installer can be customised and you can add in update packages.

 

You can get System Image Utility by downloading and installing the Mac OS X Server v10.4 Admin tools. Don't forget to run Software Update to get the 10.4.4 Admin Tools update.

Andrew McNaughton
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I reckon the restore disc that comes with the new macintels only works with macintels and not for ppc macs?

 

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303058

 

Yes that's completely true. The same goes for [bootable after restore] disk images... they are architecture-specific and must be built on a system with the same brand of processor.

 

Ah, so the topic starter cannot produce any DVD to use on both an Intel and PowerPC system.

 

I wasn't realising that was happening here. You cannot produce even an updated DVD to run on a PowerPC PB and an Intel Mac mini. You could however, produce an updated DVD in the future which was architecture-specific. iMac owners who got Intel v10.4.4 could make a v10.4.5 disc with the Intel-specific v10.4.5 Update.

macgirl
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http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=303058

 

Yes that's completely true. The same goes for [bootable after restore] disk images... they are architecture-specific and must be built on a system with the same brand of processor.

 

Ah, so the topic starter cannot produce any DVD to use on both an Intel and PowerPC system.

 

I wasn't realising that was happening here. You cannot produce even an updated DVD to run on a PowerPC PB and an Intel Mac mini. You could however, produce an updated DVD in the future which was architecture-specific. iMac owners who got Intel v10.4.4 could make a v10.4.5 disc with the Intel-specific v10.4.5 Update.

I don´t know if anyone can produce a two patform bootable DVD/CD, the 10.4.1 and 10.4.3 Installation DVDs were bootable in both platforms, I think that it can be done if those were.

 

The Article you linked tell about Discs that came "with" a specific computer, but who knows if in the future Installation Retail Discs will be the same as the "Restore Discs", they can't be dual-bootable but with a modification of some plist they can install the OS package.

lane
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So i'm going to do the reinstall today (finally having found the time), I expect to try and make the DVD by extracting the files from the combo 10.4.5 update into a folder using pacifist.

 

I will open Disc Utility and resize the Tiger (version 10.4) .dmg file to allocate an extra 250mb for the patch, I don't know if this is necessary or if it will even work seeing as the disc image is likely encrypted but I will give it a try.

 

I then intend on attempting to copy those extracted update files into the dmg using finder or if push comes to shove i'll drop into terminal to move the files over.

 

If anyone sees anything obviously wrong with this let me know, I don't even know if this will work since the updates are being extracted from a .pkg file and I will most likely need to move them back into a .pkg file contained on the .dmg image.

 

BTW if Maxxus, Bro@dband or any of the other guys who have worked on the intel kits could drop me any help that would be incredible. :-) If not I understand how busy you are and thanks for the great stuff you have released.

lane
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Okay so here is an update:

 

The extracted 10.4.5 update has folders containing amongst other things .app folders. This means that I would have to repackage them into .pkg files on the dvd and since this is not really important enough to me I am just going to try the OSX86 10.4.3 DVD that is rumored to include the ppc version as well...

 

heres to experimenting.. lol if all else fails I can burn a Ubuntu dvd from my pc and use that till I figure out this slipstream {censored}..

lane
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Gosh darn it.... the friggen OSX86 DVD works fine but it isn't supported by Apple for the OS 10.4.5 update...

 

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Well thats just wonderful... I guess i'm back to the drawing board on this... any help would be appreciated..

 

.:: Edit ::.

 

I found that I can edit files with .dist extensions inside of .pkg's... this is helpful since the update uses a .dist file to ascertain if I am using an OSX86 build.

 

	<volume-check script='volumeCheck()'/>

<script>

	function volumeCheck()
	{
		if (system.env.OS_INSTALL == 1) {
			return true;
		}

		if (commonRequirements()) {
			return true;
		}

	   my.result.type = 'Fatal';
	   my.result.message = system.localizedString('ERROR_INSTALL');
		return(true);
	}

	function commonRequirements() {
		try {
			// must have an os
			if(false == system.files.fileExistsAtPath(my.target.mountpoint + "/System/Library/CoreServices/SystemVersion.plist")) {
				return(false);
			}

			// 10.4 to 10.4.5 only
			if((-1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductVersion, '10.4')) || 
				(1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductVersion, '10.4.5'))) {
				return(false);
			}

			// Block on Tiger 8A428
			if((-1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion, '8A428'))) {
				return(false);
			}				

			  // Do not allow builds between 8B0999 and 8C46
			if (my.target.systemVersion.ProductVersion == '10.4.2') {
				if ((-1 != system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8B1000')) && 
					(-1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8C46'))) {
					return(false);
				}
			}

			// Allow 10.4.3 builds 8F0/8G0 to 8F0999/8G0999 inclusive
			if (my.target.systemVersion.ProductVersion == '10.4.3') {
				if (-1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8F0') || 
				(-1 != system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8F1000'))) {						
					if (-1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8G0') || 
					(-1 != system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8G1000'))) {
						return(false);
					}
				}
			}

			// Allow 10.4.4 builds 8G0 to 8G0999 inclusive
			if (my.target.systemVersion.ProductVersion == '10.4.4') {
				if ((-1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8G0')) || 
					(-1 != system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8G1000'))) {
					return(false);
				}
			}

			// must not be server
			if(true == system.files.fileExistsAtPath(my.target.mountpoint + "/System/Library/CoreServices/ServerVersion.plist")) {
				return(false);
			}

			// must not have tier3 loc
			if(true == system.files.fileExistsAtPath(my.target.mountpoint + "/var/db/.AppleTier3Language")) {
				return(false);
			}
		}
		catch(err) {return false;}

		return(true);
	}

	// for SU
	function checkAlreadyInstalled()
	{
		return("10.4.5" == system.version.ProductVersion);
	}

	function needsCombo()
	{
		if((system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductVersion, '10.4') >= 0)
			&& (system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductVersion, '10.4.3')) <= 0) {
			return(true);
		}
		return(false);
	}

</script>

 

Anyone know which of these I should comment out and which I should change to true?

 

I may end up just doing this by trial and error...

 

.:: Edit 2 ::.

 

Just comment out these lines... 76 - 85

				// Allow 10.4.3 builds 8F0/8G0 to 8F0999/8G0999 inclusive
	  //	  if (my.target.systemVersion.ProductVersion == '10.4.3') {
	  //		  if (-1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8F0') || 
	  //		  (-1 != system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8F1000'))) {						
	  //			  if (-1 == system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8G0') || 
	  //			  (-1 != system.compareVersions(my.target.systemVersion.ProductBuildVersion,'8G1000'))) {
	   //				 return(false);
	 //			   }
	 //		   }
	//		}

 

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You can then proceed!! Woohoo!! now to see if it works or if i Brick the mac :-) i'll let you know in a moment..

lane
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Well I answered the question for myself, it bricks the mac to apply the update from apple...

 

I'm burning a Copy of Ubuntu to use till I can get around to using my Restore DVD. Lousy no good Apple doesn't even provide a way to slipstream a damn dvd with patches... Microsoft on the other hand even tells how to do it on their website for all their modern OS's...

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stingerman
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Well I answered the question for myself, it bricks the mac to apply the update from apple...

 

I'm burning a Copy of Ubuntu to use till I can get around to using my Restore DVD. Lousy no good Apple doesn't even provide a way to slipstream a damn dvd with patches... Microsoft on the other hand even tells how to do it on their website for all their modern OS's...

There actually is a way. You need to create an Install image and add the latest combo package to it. It will install the image and then the latest combo package. You need to use system image utility that comes with the Admin tools that you can download from Apple. The documentation for it is under the Apple Support pages for OS X Server. What is really cool is that you not only can create a completely up-to-date OS X install image (currently 10.4.5) but also add any other Apps, etc to be installed at the same time. I take it for granted that I can with one install, setup the latest version of OS X, MS Office, Adobe CS2 and Macromedia... Apple's disk imaging capability is pretty powerful in the right hands.

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