cyrana Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 That is just bochs isn't it? There is something else, iEmulator which is just QEMU. Neither is anywhere NEAR native speed even on the same architecure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFNITE Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 how fast is WINE on Linux? is that anywhere close to native speeds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrana Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Wine is more than fast enough, so when they finish up darwine, it should be tolerable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 @terry, ah ok. just thought it could not be too old because its slashdotted today. well next time i look at the date i think you'll all be interested in this one.. http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20060117081618155 Wow, this is amazing!! Have you already tested it? I would like to know about the speed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest terry Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Wow, this is amazing!! Have you already tested it? I would like to know about the speed. AFAIK, Bochs is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from being really usable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJägermeister Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 (edited) @terry, ah ok. just thought it could not be too old because its slashdotted today. well next time i look at the date Wow, this is amazing!! Have you already tested it? I would like to know about the speed. On a fast PC (Athlon 64) and Windows/Linux as host only DOS or Windows95 are usable as guest OS, everything else is too slow. On the website from Wintel they show XP but I can't believe that this is running fine. Edited January 17, 2006 by DrJägermeister Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradsm87 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Could it be that the Mac EFI is programmed to ONLY recognise HFS+ disks as bootable and not ISO9660, FAT32 and NTFS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrana Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 I doubt the latter, more likely there is just a special EFI+El Torito format needed. They did say they'd not prohibit Windows from running on it, and the HFS+ thing would obviously mean the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) AFAIK, Bochs is faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar from being really usable. yes, but with Yonah, You don't need the PPC to Intel translation anymore. If this should be the case, It will run much faster. Could it be that the Mac EFI is programmed to ONLY recognise HFS+ disks as bootable and not ISO9660, FAT32 and NTFS? No, I don't think so, because EFI needs a hidden fat32 Partition for itself. Edited January 18, 2006 by xtraa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrana Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 yes, but with Yonah, You don't need the PPC>Intel translation. If this should be the case, It will run much faster. No, I don't think so, because EFI needs a hidden fat32 Partition for itself. Bochs is slower than you'd believe, even on x86. Even QEMU+KQEMU is a bit too sow for me... But at least it is tolerable, basically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Bochs is slower than you'd believe, even on x86. Even QEMU+KQEMU is a bit too sow for me... But at least it is tolerable, basically. thats too bad... a fast emu would be very helpful. :pirate2: But can you explain one thing for me: I really wonder, what they want to emulate!? I mean the hardware is 100% compatible. This is like running PearPC on a mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFNITE Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 just wondering, what's the typical installation process for programs through WINE? For Darwine, can programs be run through the dock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazymonkeypants Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 No, I don't think so, because EFI needs a hidden fat32 Partition for itself. It does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 It does not. Well actually it does: - An Interface between the Operating System and the platform firmware- Provides for multiple CPU architectures support - EFI uses disk storage with a specific FAT file system, identified by a specific FAT type and NVRAM storage - Introduces a new GUID Partition Table (GPT) [GUID = Globally Unique Identifier] - Allows legacy MBR methods (boot and partitioning) But that's just how Intel describes EFI specifications. If you have newer infos, call Intel and surprise them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazymonkeypants Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) 'Uses' does not imply 'requires'. EFI, as implemented on the currently shipping Macintosh systems, does not 'need a hidden fat32 Partition for itself.' Edited January 18, 2006 by crazymonkeypants Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryzir Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 I don't know if this will help but someone figured out how to get into the efi menu. http://nak.journalspace.com/?cmd=displayco...407&entryid=407 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyrana Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) Technically that isn't the Apple EFI menu, as there is no access to it. But, it might help some people out anyway. Edited January 18, 2006 by cyrana Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtraa Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 (edited) 'Uses' does not imply 'requires'. EFI, as implemented on the currently shipping Macintosh systems, does not 'need a hidden fat32 Partition for itself.' Yes, thats what terry sais, too. And I wish that you are right. But take a look at this: http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?s=...indpost&p=44511 Now, in the boot chain graphic (the second), you see step three, the EFI OS Loader. And in the first picture, see the little blue Square located in the Harddisk that sais also EFI OS Loader. Now thats what made me thougt, it is a "must have", not a "can be" Edited January 18, 2006 by xtraa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipersfate Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 I'd like to ask the opposite of the Topic question. Will PCs run Macs new OS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazymonkeypants Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Yes, thats what terry sais, too. And I wish that you are right. But take a look at this: http://forum.osx86project.org/index.php?s=...indpost&p=44511 Now, in the boot chain graphic (the second), you see step three, the EFI OS Loader. And in the first picture, see the little blue Square located in the Harddisk that sais also EFI OS Loader. Now thats what made me thougt, it is a "must have", not a "can be" Ooh, it's a blue square in a purple oblong, all wrapped up in a PowerPoint presentation. It must be real! Seriously; the ESP is something that *can* be used. However if you were to actually *look* at one on a real Apple system, you would find that the OS loader is read off the HFS+ root filesystem. And you can nuke the ESP and things still work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
advid Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 I found this interesting article it uses the vista boot files to boot xp on a macintel http://phabulosa.wordpress.com/2006/01/29/...-on-a-macintel/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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