hm_ok Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 a problem: after installing jas 10.4.8 about 3 times and windows also 3 times, sometimes together, my pc hangs in the ide detection after detecting my hard disk. i cannot even press del and reach the bios. that state lasted more than 20 minutes last time i tested it. the other hd works, but as soon as i plug in the 80 gig in, it never comes beyond the black bios display. is there any way to reach that hd?? is it screwed? the installation of 10.4.8 went ok besides i had to use the disk utility to make a mac-partition and it urged me to reboot all the time. the rebooting should be due to the many drivers i installed because i didnt see the options for excluding installation stuff... i got a athlon 3000+ msi neo2 platinum nforce3 80 gb sata drive radeon 9600 pro rme hammerfall the hammerfall does not work as far as i know... but the rest should be ok... please help... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
parachute Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Nothing to do with any kind of software. Wait... Maybe your BIOS? Check your jumper settings. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-270010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Futte Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Hey try this if you can get by the the bios!! http://www.shareware.de/Windows/System_Adm...Disk_17261.html I had a similar problem and was just about to delete the disk!!! Good luck... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-270085 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm_ok Posted January 7, 2007 Author Share Posted January 7, 2007 thanks for the help guys, but i think there is little i can do when the moment the hd is connected, it hangs forever AND no single key can be pressed. also i had it working with this jumper settings the whole time before. will try this as a last attempt, and then consider the drive gone... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-270140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
parachute Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 I would connect the drive to another computer before trashing it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-270187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibusurf Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 hey ive had this problem!, dont trash the HDD as there is a fix for it! what (i think) has happened is that the format utility has deteleted the MBR from the disk thus causing the hang on boot. ive just ran into the same problem and am looking for the fix now. in the meantime you can get your machine to boot into another os (from another drive) by disconnecting the drive. disconnect the drive then boot your machine into the bios. in standard cmos setup (or something simular) you can set the bios to auto detect HDDs on boot. change the value of the channel that the bad hdd is connected to from "Auto" to "None" Put the bad HDD back in and the machine should boot. from there you can boot into XP/Vista where the drive can be detected from "control pannel>Computer management>Storage>Disk Management" il post an update when ive got my system to work! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-271160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizardo Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 @malibusurf it doesn't because win cant recognize it .... it shows it but no format or similar option i had same problem and fixed it by attaching hard drive to usb rack, then used hirens boot cd then some of many FDisk utilities ... delete partition and other .... does somebody have solution to making install work ... as i found out it messes up MBR sector :S Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-271265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibusurf Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 The Disk management service in windows should recognise it, tho i have to admit the motherboard im currently using is the first that actually does this. (NF4) i managed to solve the problem by setting it in the bios to None then booting the osx86 disk and re-partitioning the disk. it managed to detect it from there. do you have a RAID card that you can connect it to at all? maybe you could circumvent the problem that way? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-271338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm_ok Posted January 8, 2007 Author Share Posted January 8, 2007 call me nuts, but today i bought my third 80 gig sata hard drive, having trashed a 80 gig yesterday and the day before. and you mean, it can be detected that way? i think that's what it did before, when it was still alright: i switched one off in the bios because i was too lazy to run to the machine all the time to switch between the win and the mac hd, but acronis (or something like that) kept recognizing it... the guy at the store said it had a permanent error after checking it for 1 minute and being able to have it hooked up at his machine and boot from another drive. i guess i can format it some nasty way so that it works again, right?? i mean the whole thing is beta, but hardware errors shouldn't occur that easily. as for the phenomenon itself, i think i installed the 10.4.8 jas version a couple of times before, only then having it preformatted with fat32 before running the mac disk utility in order to get it to the needed mac format... so i'm pretty certain that the fat32 thing was decisive. those times the computer booted alright. only that it urged me always to restart, which ended in restarting again asf. this problem should be solvable by changing the install options, which i yet have to find... do you know where they are?? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-271355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizardo Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Just get out and buy Hard Disk USB rack ... put ur hard drive there, download hirene's boot utilities cant remember whole name , hirene's boot something it is for sure ... then attach usb rack, go in bios and make computer boot from cd rom ... (burn hirenes boot before ), then go in drive utilities and then some of many (3-4) FDisk's ... select trashed hard, delete partition, set it active, format it ... u then can do what u want or need with hard drive as for 10.4.8 to install i tried to format hard with 10.4.7 and then to run setup from 10.4.8 and no luck ... i got kernel panic :S i must be doing something wrong :S and again i cant type ./patcher 10.4.8.AMD.CPUID.txt it tells me it doesn't exist hope somebody find solution(s) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-271367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyb Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 I've had some similar problems with running the Jas 10.4.8AMD/SSE3/SSE2 release on an external USB drive. Still can't figure out what's going on. Installation is on an Inspiron 8600 with Fx5200 video. My boot manager recognizes the external USB drive every time. Before I installed Jas 10.4.8SSE2, Windows XP recognized the other partitions on the external USB drive every time. But since installing 10.4.8 on a USB drive partition, the drive has started acting flakey. Right after the OSX install it always boots Darwin cleanly, you can see the little "/" spin around and all the pre-GUI drivers load. But I've had a number of problems with Titan that seem to be knocking the drive out. I have learned enough to enter the Video card ID in the appropriate KEXTs and to delete AGPgart.kext -- but even after that, booting is erratic. One time Titan loads, the next time I get a black screen. After a few black screen boots, the performance of the whole USB drive seems to become impaired. The pre-GUI boot stalls and the "/" doesn't spin. Sometimes, when I boot from the Install DVD, the USB drive is no longer recognized in Disk Utility. When I power down the drive for half an hour and try again, the install DVD recognizes it again, and I can repair the disk with Disk Utility. None of this was happening when I was running JAS 10.4.6 with MacVidia drivers. In fact, I could take the USB drive around from machine to machine and boot 10.4.6 on a number of different computers. I've done several fresh installs of 10.4.8 on the USB drive (erasing the HFS+ partition and reinstalling with the appropriate packages). After a fresh install, the OSX partition on the USB drive boots cleanly again, until the GUI tries to load. Sometimes Titan loads properly and the desktop comes up with full Quartz/Core Graphics support. Sometimes I get the black screen, even if I boot with the -x -f options. After a few black screen boot failures, Darwin slows down so that I can't even boot into Single User Mode. Or if it gets there, fsck reports reports I/O errors when I try to repair the partition from the command line. I have to power the drive down for half an hour and boot from the Install DVD, where Disk Utility repairs the OSX partition, successfully. My paranoid suspicion is that the physical performance of the drive might somehow have been impaired by the failed Titan black screen boots. When I go back to Windows XP it takes a long time for the other volumes on the USB drive to be recognized. I lost all the partitions on the drive, once, but was able to rebuild the partition table with Acronis Disk Manager. After that, Windows XP recognized the non-OSX partitions and the USB drive seemed to behave normally again -- until I reinstalled 10.4.8 and went through the "now the GUI loads, now it doesn't" thing again. After a few black screen boots, the entire drive starts behaving erratically. I know it's possible that this particular USB drive has physical problems. But I have a paranoid suspicion that the failed 10.4.8 boots may be causing them. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-271383 Share on other sites More sharing options...
malibusurf Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 (edited) i bought my third 80 gig sata hard drive, having trashed a 80 gig yesterday Ah goddamit!! there is definitely a bug in the format utility on the osx install disk (its probably well documented) and it seems to trash the drive at random. what happens is that the osx install disk overwrites the MBR of the disk with an EFI boot partition that PC Bios' cant read. when the machine detects the drive but cant access the MBR the bios stops. The method of Unplug, set bios to none, Replug, and repartition in the 86 installer works very well for me and is worth a shot as it saves the hassle of downloading images etc. hm_ok you could probably take the disk back if you really wanted as theres nothing really wrong with your old one and you were honestly mis-sold the new one. running the Jas 10.4.8AMD/SSE3/SSE2 release on an external USB drive. /EDIT: ive just read what you posted here http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?sho...7537&st=340 not sure what ive written below is relevant anymore but il leave it in just in case. i know that USB isnt exactly prefect on the AMD release i was using. everything had to replugged whenever the system re-booted. when the system booted the loader would have something detailing that the os cannot get control over the USB from the bios. maybe this is where its freezing? as in it initially loads fine until the os attempts to take control of the USB ports at which point it cant, and stops. Edited January 10, 2007 by malibusurf Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-272838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm_ok Posted January 10, 2007 Author Share Posted January 10, 2007 with my new machine it works now to detect it and format etc. this is running from that hd now still, when i boot from the osx disc (jas 10.4.8 first release), it reboots 5 seconds after beginning to install. i already changed my dvd to sata, as somebody said was necessary. and i switched on ahci in the bios. what else do i need to get that freaking thing to work?? i know that goes beyond this thread, but maybe someone passes through who knows.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-273155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinchampu Posted January 13, 2007 Share Posted January 13, 2007 Happened to me, telling the bios that you have not ide drive in that channel, booting into OS X disk utility and partitioning it so it has a Master Boot Record, rebooting, reactivating the autodetect for that drive in the bios works. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/37882-hard-drive-totally-screwed/#findComment-275140 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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