install latest MacOs version on AMD desktop PC

[Matteo Fantino]

Hi, I'm new to this forum, I've read that it's the best place to get help installing macOS on a non-Apple desktop PC. I wanted to ask where can I find a complete guide on how to install mac os on a separate hdd plugged into my desktop pc. The first problem I asked myself is: can I do this with my configuration? My hardware components are compatible with the latest version of Mac Os.

I have

CPU AMD RYZEN 9 3900x

Motherboard gigabyte x570 Aorus elit

RAM 16gb DDR4 3200MHz

SSD Samsung 860 evo plus

GPU Nvidia RTX a2000

Alimentatore Corsair cx650m

thanks i hope you can help me 

 

Edited November 28, 2022 by Matteo Fantino

[Slice]

Please write in English.

[Matteo Fantino]

hi @Slice, thanks for replying, but I don't understand what are the 4 points you wrote me in the message Would this be the guide/procedure I have to follow to install MacOs on my desktop PC? 

From the little I understand, I need to download clover first, and create a boot partition with it. Then I have to download the iso of big sur? And where do I copy the ISO? On a separate USB, or where I installed clover?

I also didn't understand how I can tell if my PC and the hardware components I have are compatible with MacOs?

Thanks for your help 

[Slice]

All you said is right just details needed.

I don't know how to install Hackintosh on AMD Ryzen. There is a separate section in the forum to do this.

But one problem you have, videocard. GPU Nvidia RTX a2000 is not possible for Hackintosh in any way. Replace it or install Windows.

[Matteo Fantino]

ah ok thanks, I try to look for the AMD section in the forum. for the graphics card I try to insert another one, is it enough that it is older?

[Slice]

Depends on.

[Matteo Fantino]

For example a GeForce 900 series graphics card? Why should I have one that I no longer use, but I don't remember the exact model since I haven't taken it for years. 

But what if I only use the integrated graphics of the Ryzen 9? this way it should work right ?

Edited November 28, 2022 by Matteo Fantino

[Slice]

51 minutes ago, Matteo Fantino said:

For example a GeForce 900 series graphics card? Why should I have one that I no longer use, but I don't remember the exact model since I haven't taken it for years. 

But what if I only use the integrated graphics of the Ryzen 9? this way it should work right ?

Geforce 900 is probably Maxwell family which works in HighSierra if apply web drivers. There is a chance.

Integrated graphics is no go.

[aben]

AMD integrated graphics was never supported in macOS and never will, you may switch to GeForce 900 series but you will not be able to run macOS version past High Sierra. You will need to switch to an AMD dGPU, like Polaris or Vega series if you wish to run current macOS versions like Monterey/Ventura.

[Matteo Fantino]

oh ok thanks. then I try to do the MacOs installation procedure via clover, inserting the GeForce 900 series graphics card in my desktop pc. If I get any particular error, I write back on the forum. ... out of curiosity

... if instead I installed it (MacOs) on my laptop (MSI modern 15 a11sb) which has an i7 of 11 and a dedicated graphics card GeForce mx450 2gb ddr5? Could I install the latest version of MacOs on this pc? or anyway what version could it support? only High Sierra..or a newer one?thanks again.

[Slice]

2 hours ago, Matteo Fantino said:

oh ok thanks. then I try to do the MacOs installation procedure via clover, inserting the GeForce 900 series graphics card in my desktop pc. If I get any particular error, I write back on the forum. ... out of curiosity

... if instead I installed it (MacOs) on my laptop (MSI modern 15 a11sb) which has an i7 of 11 and a dedicated graphics card GeForce mx450 2gb ddr5? Could I install the latest version of MacOs on this pc? or anyway what version could it support? only High Sierra..or a newer one?thanks again.

MX450 is Turing family not supported in macOS at all.

[aben]

The last supported Intel generation across the Mac lineup was Comet Lake/Ice Lake (10th) before Apple dropped x86 for their in-house Apple Silicon, therefore, unfortunately your laptop will not be able to run any macOS versions natively since 11th gen iGPU architecture is not supported in macOS nor is the GeForce MX450. Your desktop however should be able to run High Sierra. 

Edited November 28, 2022 by aben

[Matteo Fantino]

7 minutes ago, aben said:

L'ultima generazione Intel supportata nella gamma Mac è stata Comet Lake/Ice Lake (decima) prima che Apple abbandonasse x86 per il loro Apple Silicon interno, quindi, sfortunatamente, il tuo laptop non sarà in grado di eseguire alcuna versione di macOS in modo nativo dall'architettura iGPU di 11a generazione non è supportato in macOS né la GeForce MX450. Tuttavia, il tuo desktop dovrebbe essere in grado di eseguire High Sierra. 

 

ok then I'll try only on my desktop pc. I'll see if I can install it.

But do you think MacOs would be more performing if I can install it on the desktop PC via clover on a separate hdd etc.. or do you say that it exploits the potential of my PC more if I install MacOs in a virtual machine running on a linux operating system?
(also in this case I could do it on both PCs right? both on the desktop and on the MSI laptop... since Linux should be compatible with both)
what do you think? Thanks again.

[Slice]

Virtual machine is much slower then real machine.

[Matteo Fantino]

I understand 

1 minute ago, Slice said:

La macchina virtuale è molto più lenta della macchina reale.

 

[aben]

The hackintosh community generally don't recommend users to run macOS virtually as macOS environment was never really designed/optimized with VMs in mind, bare metal is the way for optimal performance.

[deeveedee]

How ironic is it that "the hackintosh community" is recommending where not to install macOS.  I haven't installed macOS in a VM (although it sounds like a great experiment), but in my personal experience, a good Type 1 Hypervisor can provide performance that is almost identical to that of "bare metal."

[Slice]

38 minutes ago, deeveedee said:

How ironic is it that "the hackintosh community" is recommending where not to install macOS.  I haven't installed macOS in a VM (although it sounds like a great experiment), but in my personal experience, a good Type 1 Hypervisor can provide performance that is almost identical to that of "bare metal."

Even GPU?

[deeveedee]

@Slice Am I sensing a challenge?  I don't see any reason why not.  If someone wants to build the Type 1 Hypervisor drivers, then GPU performance should be great.  If the reason is that it doesn't exist yet, let's just be glad that didn't stop the hackintosh community.

 

@Slice  Good reading.

 

More good reading.

Edited November 29, 2022 by deeveedee

[aben]

Imagine having to use macOS through a virtual machine, flexing on benchmark numbers (sure sounds like fun for tinkerers) but losing out on delightful features like AirDrop, Continuity, Universal Control/Clipboard etc...which essentially upscales the macOS experience especially on a hackintosh - personally, sounds like a nightmare, no thanks!

[deeveedee]

@aben ... which is exactly why the blanket statement "... hackintosh community generally don't recommend..."  makes no sense.  It all depends on what you do with your hack.

Edited November 29, 2022 by deeveedee

[Matteo Fantino]

hello, if I may intrude on the discussion, I wanted to say that I intend to install MacOs because I have read several online articles where it is said that the Adobe platform (Premiere, Photoshop etc) runs much better on MacOs than on Windows. Can you confirm that this is true? The Adobes are more optimized for MacOs?

[Slice]

Yes, in far past Adobe made product only for Mac. And when they made photoshop for Windows it was poor and trimmed in features. Plugins was not possible for Windows while there was a main feature of Photoshop for Macintosh.

But time passed.

New version of Photoshop was made from same sources and I am not sure if there is any difference between Windows and Mac versions. OpenGL? Calibrated colors?

[aben]

@deeveedee keywords *generally *personally and since you’re looking to get into semantics, then I highly suggest you first educate yourself on what exactly is a hackintosh; running macOS (or any OS) virtually on a virtual machine is simply called virtualization not a hackintosh or a hack. The idea of even having to pass a high-end macOS supported GPU independently through a VM just so one could run a limited macOS virtually with acceptable GPU performance, rather than off the GPU is just utter stupidity. Not to mention the lack of troubleshooting available if daily driving macOS on VMs (minority and hardly supported) which is precisely why the hackintosh community generally/usually recommends against VMs, with the best interest of the users in mind. I don’t see anybody here stopping anyone from tinkering or experimenting with their hardware which makes your responses look very much petty, to be honest.

[deeveedee]

@aben I stand corrected.  Your mastery of the hackintosh is truly worthy of praise and admiration.  Please consider me properly schooled on the proper definition of a hackintosh and please accept my apology for not realizing that the hackintosh was so rigidly defined.  I'm embarrassed at my naive and overly liberal interpretation of a hackintosh.  

 

I hope you're laughing as much as I am.  You're actually trying to define a "true hackintosh."  That is hilarious.

 

EDIT: Please don't tell "the hackintosh community" that Open Core includes HyperV constructs or that Acidanthera has released HyperV kexts.  Their heads might explode.

Edited November 29, 2022 by deeveedee