CrimsonDarkLord Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 My current build from 2.5 years ago: Gigabyte Z490 VISION D Intel LGA 1200 ATX Motherboard Intel Core i7 10700K Octa Core LGA 1200 3.80GHz Unlocked CPU Processor Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT NITRO+ 8GB Video Card - Special Edition WD Black SN750 1TB NVMe M.2 (2280) PCIe 3x4 3D NAND SSD - with Heatsink Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 32GB (4x 16GB) DDR4 3200MHz Memory - Black YOUBO PC Hackintosh WiFi Card BCM94360CD I will be building a dual system build on the Obsidian 1000D case, and my Mac will be downsizing to an ITX motherboard. My current 2020 build is a dual boot build on the same motherboard, but my new build will have a full system dedicated just for the Mac OS. Apart from purchasing a new motherboard, should I reuse my existing parts that I've used for 2.5 years or upgrade to more recent parts if I have the budget for it? Asking more from a compatibility perspective for Mac OS Monterey/Ventura and above. I also use my Mac mostly for music production so a Thunderbolt port (as with the Vision 490D) is a requirement. Would very much appreciate some suggestions from the experts! Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 All these parts are compatible with Monterey and Ventura. Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecnicaso Rico Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 I notice the PC case you mention can hold two motherboards and you want to move your macOS install to a dedicated ITX motherboard. So keeping in mind that the 12000 Series Intel CPU's generate a lot of heat and that you need to keep heat under control, I will recommend you then the AsRock Z490 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3 which uses 10000 Series Intel CPU's. The advantage of this board is that is one of the few 400 Series motherboards that's not CNVi lock, so you can switch the internal WIFI card for a BCM94360NG, which is supported natively without any extra kexts and save a NVMe m.2 port. Also this motherboard comes with TB3, and many users had success with this board having Thunderbolt hot-plug working. Some people complain about Asrock motherboards ACPI implementation, which makes more difficult to Edit custom SSDT's files but there is plenty of tutorials/manuals of this model all over the internet on the most popular hackintosh websites. Intel 10700K and 10900K are not easy to find these days at a good price but if you try you can find a good 10900K. In case it takes to much time to find one at a good reasonable price , then you can opt to buy a 11700K/11900K for your windows motherboard and swap your 10700K to the Asrock ITX motherboard. Hope this info helps you. Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
etorix Posted October 10, 2022 Share Posted October 10, 2022 6 hours ago, CrimsonDarkLord said: I also use my Mac mostly for music production so a Thunderbolt port (as with the Vision 490D) is a requirement. Then the motherboard must have onboard Thunderbolt based on TitanRidge (as is the case with the Z490 Vision D), not the newer MapleRidge which is not natively supported by macOS. Actually, your Z490 Vision D is the ideal motherboard for anyone wanting a Thunderbolt-enabled hackintosh. Beside upgrading to a 10th generation Core i9 and/or RX 6000-series GPU (probably not a priority for music production), you cannot really improve on that build. What about keeping the Z490 Vision D for macOS and buying a new motherboard for "the other OS"? Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794798 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonDarkLord Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 16 hours ago, Tecnicaso Rico said: Intel 10700K and 10900K are not easy to find these days at a good price but if you try you can find a good 10900K. In case it takes to much time to find one at a good reasonable price , then you can opt to buy a 11700K/11900K for your windows motherboard and swap your 10700K to the Asrock ITX motherboard. Hope this info helps you. Thanks guys! Very helpful information here. So just confirming the 12th Gen Intel is a definite no-go? How compatible is the 11700k/11900k? Based on current pricing in my local stores, I've got absolutely no clue why the 10th Gen and 11th Gen are priced almost identically - some stores with only $10-20 more from the 10th Gen to 11th Gen. If I were to get a new i9 CPU, it would seem like a lot more value to get the 11900k over the 10900k. Prior to knowing about the AsRock Z490 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3, I was actually looking at getting the MSI MEG Z490i UNIFY Intel LGA 1200 Mini-ITX which seemed to have better reviews in general. Any thoughts on this? I'm looking at downsizing the Mac to the ITX instead because the Windows main ATX motherboard will be my main workstation. For the main board, I'm planning to go 790 series with 13th Gen Intel and I've already purchased a 3090 for it. Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794851 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 11th and 12th gen have IGPU not supported in macOS. But they work as CPU with some hackintosh efforts. You have to use discrete graphics like RX5700. Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonDarkLord Posted October 11, 2022 Author Share Posted October 11, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Slice said: 11th and 12th gen have IGPU not supported in macOS. But they work as CPU with some hackintosh efforts. You have to use discrete graphics like RX5700. So it's probably not worth the effort then for a small performance increase from 10700K to 11700K? I'll be keeping my RX5700XT for this build. Edited October 11, 2022 by CrimsonDarkLord Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 Yes, I will recommend to stay with 10700K as it can be used for IQSV. 1 Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
etorix Posted October 11, 2022 Share Posted October 11, 2022 7 hours ago, CrimsonDarkLord said: So it's probably not worth the effort then for a small performance increase from 10700K to 11700K? Probably not worth the hassle indeed. Alder Lake is definitely possible, though maybe not the best recommendation for a work machine due to its lack of official support in macOS, BUT the killer is your requirement for Thunderbolt in mini-ITX: Z690 only uses Maple Ridge onboard, reliable Thunderbolt operation (including hot plug) is only possible with Titan Ridge—which is possible as add-in card on Z690, but not in mini-ITX form factor. If you're "reusing parts" you may as well put the complete Z490 Vision D build in the new case. This motherboard has almost cult status among pro users looking for a hackintosh with working Thunderbolt. Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794894 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonDarkLord Posted October 12, 2022 Author Share Posted October 12, 2022 Thanks guys. Alright, assuming I have already made up my mind on moving my Mac to an ITX board with near DDR5 RAM and upgrading to a 10900K, what are the best motherboards that have thunderbolt 3? Between the 2 I know of now: AsRock Z490 Phantom Gaming ITX/TB3 MSI MEG Z490i UNIFY Intel LGA 1200 Mini-ITX I'm leaning towards the MSI solely because of better reviews but I do not know which of them would be better. Would simply having a thunderbolt 3 port be sufficient for hot plugging to work or would some motherboards just not be compatible? Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted October 12, 2022 Share Posted October 12, 2022 AFAIK TB hot plugging is not working in macOS because it is not Windows. Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2794975 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonDarkLord Posted October 13, 2022 Author Share Posted October 13, 2022 (edited) Is this chart accurate? Can anyone explain what each of them mean? Which would be best? Motherboard Selection Model Good ACPI CNVI Unlocked Good VRMs C14S Fit Wi-Fi Fit ASRock Z490M-ITX/ac ✔️ ✔️ ❌ ❌ ✔️ ASRock Z490 Phan ITX/TB3 ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ❌ (flex?) Gigabyte Z490I ITX ✔️ ❌ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ ASUS Rog Strix Z490-I ✔️ ❌ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ MSI MEG Z490I Unify ❌ ❌ ✔️ ✔️ ✔️ I found this chart through a reddit post, where someone successfully got hotplugging working for TB3 on the ASRock Z490 Phan: https://www.reddit.com/r/hackintosh/comments/i3pega/z490_itx_guide/ Edited October 13, 2022 by CrimsonDarkLord Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2795034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonDarkLord Posted October 14, 2022 Author Share Posted October 14, 2022 Sorry to bump, guys. Looking to purchase my parts this weekend so I'm just struggling to decide on the motherboard. Hope to hear your input with this! Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2795149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RosalieTorres Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) On 10/10/2022 at 2:13 PM, CrimsonDarkLord said: My current build from 2.5 years ago: Gigabyte Z490 VISION D Intel LGA 1200 ATX Motherboard Intel Core i7 10700K Octa Core LGA 1200 3.80GHz Unlocked CPU Processor Sapphire Radeon RX 5700 XT NITRO+ 8GB Video Card - Special Edition WD Black SN750 1TB NVMe M.2 (2280) PCIe 3x4 3D NAND SSD - with Heatsink Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 32GB (4x 16GB) DDR4 3200MHz Memory - Black YOUBO PC Hackintosh WiFi Card BCM94360CD I will be building a dual system build on the Obsidian 1000D case, and my Mac will be downsizing to an ITX motherboard. My current 2020 build is a dual boot build on the same motherboard, but my new build will have a full system dedicated just for the Mac OS. Apart from purchasing a new motherboard, should I reuse my existing parts that I've used for 2.5 years or upgrade to more recent parts if I have the budget for it? Asking more from a compatibility perspective for Mac OS Monterey/Ventura and above. I also use my Mac mostly for music production so a Thunderbolt port (as with the Vision 490D) is a requirement. Would very much appreciate some suggestions from the experts! Spoiler All parts are compatible to build it new. I am so happy I found your post. I found my answer over here. When I was searching for it online, I also found a site where I found purplecv reviews. I want to hire an writer who will make resume for me but I don't want to lose my money and that is why I want to read reviews but don't have enough time to search for them online. But now I won't need to search for it online. All parts are compatible to build it new. Edited December 1, 2022 by RosalieTorres Quote Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/354305-what-parts-are-still-relevant-for-a-new-build-in-2022/#findComment-2797996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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