invisiblesurfer Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 I salute you, seasoned hackintosh people. I am in the middle of a dilemma: Build a hackintosh system or invest in a real mac? Money is of course an issue! From my experience on my hackintrosh (c2d 2.8ghz, 2GB mem, 8800gt, vanilla 10.6.2) there are noticable performance issues. Does the same apply to the new i7 hackintosh builds? What is the optimum hackintosh set-up for a comparable performance to the real thing? Is the money difference worth it? What bugs the {censored} out of me is the extremely overpriced Mac Pro. 2,000-3,000 euros for a quad core with 4gb ram and 640gb hdd is theft. But can hackintoshes reach the Mac Pros' performance? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 I ran geekbench in windows 7 at 32bit (slower) and compare those to the mac pros. I spend $770 TOTAL on my machine. http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/216216 http://www.primatelabs.ca/blog/mac-benchmarks/ Notice that mine is the fastest 4 core mac pro? Everything else is 8 cores or above. And Those cost basically 3 times as much as my i5 machine! So I would imagine i7 is actually very fast compared to Mac pros. Just look at some of the geekbench results on this website! http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php...04010&st=40 (scroll down a bit) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1410155 Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisiblesurfer Posted February 14, 2010 Author Share Posted February 14, 2010 Eric thanks for sharing these. I was looking at the exact same post. Indeed very exciting stuff. Is Apple ever going to look into these huge price differences and make the macs affordable? Microsoft is already shaking. Guess Steve Jobs isn't ready to take over the world. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1410162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricM Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 I doubt it. You get what you pay for with macs(support, problem free) but as for hardware specs, they will always be overpriced with apple. Your mostly paying for the form factors if you ask me... lol. I switched over to hackintosh 2 years ago. I've yet to experience any fatal issues with my hackintosh builds. Just follow some guides very closely and pick the correct parts and you shouldn't experience very many problems. The worst I've had to deal with was getting my sound to work but that only took a day to figure out when I first got this board. If you've got a lot of money to spend, buy an i7 920 and a good supported 1366 board. You will not be disappointed with your performance. Possibly this board: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...8-362-_-Product Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1410187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
an1r0n Posted February 14, 2010 Share Posted February 14, 2010 It's much, much cheeper to custom build hackintosh. Here's mine geek bench http://browse.geekbench.ca/geekbench2/view/214178 As you can see, my rig keeps up even with core i5 ; ) Ofcourse, nothing is overclocked, just good selection of components. Maybe I'll get more in geekbench when i get ssd-s and overclock a litle cpu but for now, I'm quite okay with 6010 score. Defenitly go with hackintosh! Core i5 and some gigabyte ud5 or asus p61 series are great for hackintosh! cheers, an1r0n I salute you, seasoned hackintosh people. I am in the middle of a dilemma: Build a hackintosh system or invest in a real mac? Money is of course an issue! From my experience on my hackintrosh (c2d 2.8ghz, 2GB mem, 8800gt, vanilla 10.6.2) there are noticable performance issues. Does the same apply to the new i7 hackintosh builds? What is the optimum hackintosh set-up for a comparable performance to the real thing? Is the money difference worth it? What bugs the {censored} out of me is the extremely overpriced Mac Pro. 2,000-3,000 euros for a quad core with 4gb ram and 640gb hdd is theft. But can hackintoshes reach the Mac Pros' performance? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1410210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisiblesurfer Posted February 15, 2010 Author Share Posted February 15, 2010 Thanks for the input. I am unsure of the extend to which the benchmarks can depict gap (if any) from the genuine Apple Macintosh experience. I mean, cpu power for file transfer / compression / etc and gpu power for gaming in i7 gigabyte systems is a given, but how much of this power is unused in a hackintosh environment? How does the work-flow in a high end hackintosh system compare to a mac? From my experience on a c2d 2.8ghz, 2GB mem, 8800gt, vanilla 10.6.2 - somewhat lagish osx & and it sure felt as if the gpu wasn't working at 100% in games (WoW for example) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1410523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
an1r0n Posted February 15, 2010 Share Posted February 15, 2010 Everything actually depends on carefully picked components. If you want graphics performance then really go to 100% supported graphic cards for e.g. gtx 285 (other 2xx are supported but with strings). You can even go with nVidia GeForce 120 which is Mac graphic card, supported and selled on apple site. My experience is that efi strings are really the fastest (if graphics card doesnt have native support). Other thing that crossed my mind, always use DVI-DVI graphics card (dvi must be primary, next to motherboard and then VGA of s-video). Maybe that could be reason for graphics performance issues you had. I honestly think you can buld hackintosh thats between newest iMac and Mac Pro. I mean, faster that any iMac and a bit slower than 4 core Xeon Mac Pro. If you want really good performance try getting a newer generation SSD. Even 30GB will be more than enough for Mac OS and normal hard drives for data. Since you are pretty unsure about comparisment of hackintosh and real Mac, check out geekbench (which is cross platform benchmark and xbench too. Compare my 2 years old CPU, newest i5, i7 intel cpus with real mac. That way you will be most sure. On thing is for sure, hackintosh with simmilar specs as current macs are at least 50% cheaper (ofcourse, I do not think about 8 core Mac Pro. although I would build even dual cpu hackintosh rather then buying real Mac). I hope I helped you and, please, if you have more questions do ask! cheeers, an1r0n EDIT: just one thing, I use my hackintosh on daily basis. I have intel core 2 quad @ 2.55 Ghz, 8 GB 800MHz DDR2 RAM, Abit IP35-Pro motherboard, eVGA nVidia 8600Gt 256MB and 2x 250GB hdd. Everything works stunning fast, all apps work and I have ZERO kernel panics or crashes. Using Photoshop, Office and at least 10 other apps on daily basis. Ofcourse, I really worked hard to get everything to work but it's well worth. So, workflow and everything else is quite identical to real mac... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1410560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidhannison Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 Sorry I don't understand what you are exactly saying.Can you explain me in brief. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1430783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swhay Posted March 18, 2010 Share Posted March 18, 2010 I would say your not going to get much closer than the following setup... Motherboard: GA-EX58-UD5 Processor: Intel Core i7 920 2.66 GHz Mem: DDR3 1600 (your choice for how much) HD: SATA 3.0 (you choose what size) OD: SATA 3.0 (you pick the brand) Graphics: Nvidia GeForce 9500 GT 512 I have this build running perfectly I have my 920 overclocked to 3.33GHz I have a 640 GB hard drive 6 gig of DDR3 1600 ram and Apple's GT 120 512 Graphics (same as Nvidia GeForce 9500 512 GT) I went with the GT 120 cause I wanted the miniDisplay port to use with my 27" iMac screen. What Works? EVERYTHING Sleep: Auto Power button from menu Wake: Power button Wired mouse or keyboard Shutdown Restart Audio (stock kext - no other kext needed - Must have edited DSDT.aml) The only non-Apple things you need is: 1. Asere 1.1.8 Bootloader (based on Chameleon) 2. FakeSMC.kext (in Extra/Extensions) 3. RealtekR1000SL.kext (in /System/Library/Exensions) 4. com.apple.boot.plist (in Extra/) 5. dsdt.aml (in Extra/) 6. smbios.plist (in Extra/) See the following two topics to for installation and tweaking. Kakewalk: Minimal effort install (EP45, EX58, P55, G41) GA-EX58 and GA-X58A DSDT native power management modifications, lower CPU temperatures, turbo plus one clock ratio, sleep, etcetera a Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1430951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisiblesurfer Posted March 24, 2010 Author Share Posted March 24, 2010 has anyone actually tested the tonymacosx86 "[url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url] + [url="http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/279450-why-insanelymac-does-not-support-tonymacx86/"]#####[/url]" with this mobo-cpu setup? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1433888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Mayne Hassuru Posted March 26, 2010 Share Posted March 26, 2010 definitely much cheaper to build your own hackintosh Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1434822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoppa Posted March 30, 2010 Share Posted March 30, 2010 did you ever figure out what caused the performance issues you experienced with your C2D hackintosh? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1437600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
invisiblesurfer Posted March 31, 2010 Author Share Posted March 31, 2010 Not really no. I had a huge FPS drop on World of Warcraft on OSX compared to Win7. I was getting the spinning ball all too often. My system was EP35C-DS3R with C2D at 2.6GHz Nvidia 8800GT 512MB and 2GB RAM. Nothing exceptional but nothing too low either. Definitely better than the apple's iMacs. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/210793-performance-oriented-hackintosh-shopping-list/#findComment-1438488 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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