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Does iPC suck or something?

 

iPC Doesn't suck.. Search in google.com for the "iPC OSX Universal 10.5.6 Guide" that was created by the developer, if you type in "iPC OSX" you will find their official website with plenty of detailed information. I use iPC on my previous intel based chipset laptop running core 2 duo without a single problem, everyone has their pref but i aim for iPC/iATKOS/Kalyway (in that order) when it comes to intel based systems.

 

Good luck.

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What retail gives me compared to distro? I think I go to for which is better and does retail work with IDE I don't have ahci option in ym bio. And what is difference between NVinject and NVdarwin? Also what is applesmbios kext and do I need it?

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Retail is better because it is Retail. It's a lot easier to manage and troubleshoot a retail installation, if done The Right Way, than a distro like Kalyway, iATKOS, iDeneb, Leo4All and what have you.

 

Your hardware is capable of running retail OS X.

 

"The Right Way" means keeping your modifications on a different partition than the one where the system is installed (or at least in /Extra, at the root of your system drive). This is possible if you use the Chameleon bootloader (other modern-ish Hackintosh bootloaders let you do this, such as BootThink, and the various Boot-132/Chameleon derivatives). That way the installation itself stays clean, which is good.

 

Installing from a Hackintosh distro might be faster, depending on how much reading and experimenting you're prepared to do. Either way, be prepared to read a lot. The main problem with using a distro vs. retail is that you don't know what gets installed where, which files are original and which files aren't. This can make troubleshooting difficult, to the point of giving up and reinstalling everything. If you spend some time reading the forums you'll see that reinstalling is the number one "solution" for most people who are new to installing OS X on PCs.

 

iPC doesn't suck, in my opinion it is one of the better Leopard distros around and not only because it is the only distro that will boot from the Marvell P-ATA controller on a P5Q-E without a modified BIOS, but because (apart from the usual stuff that's missing in order for it to fit on a single-layer DVD) the end result is much closer to retail than most distros. Unless you screw it up by making uninformed, random choices in the customize section of the installer.

 

It's not difficult to move to a retail installation later, should you wish to do so. I've written a guide over at the VoodooProjects forum on how to do it.

Installing retail seems complicated at first but in most cases it's actually a lot simpler than getting a hacked distro up and running properly, once you get your head around how things are put together and which modifications are required for your hardware to comfortably run OS X. So keep reading and searching.

 

Hackintosh club rule number one is Know your hardware: You need AppleIntelPIIATA.kext for your ICH9 in P-ATA mode.

Chameleon 2.0 comes with an ATA injector/legacy kext that should work for you unless your board has some exotic ICH9 variant.

You can discover this kind of information by searching. In most cases you can find the information faster yourself than if you post here and ask someone else to find it for you. Don't count on more experienced users to help you, I am not kidding when I say that ALL the information you need is readily available, and this is especially true for someone like yourself who is not using bleeding-edge hardware.

This will help: http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=207570

 

Many questions here go unanswered simply because the person best equipped to answer them is the person asking them in the first place.

Apart from some basic stuff and general approach or philosophy if you will, and unless their hardware is identical, no two Hackintoshes are alike.

It follows that for the reasons outlined above, it is a lot easier to find help if you're running a clean retail installation. If you, for example, have installed OS X from an iATKOS DVD and run into a problem, chances are that only other people who are using iATKOS can help you because that particular problem only happens on an iATKOS installation.

 

This is the Great Divide in the Hackintosh scene - experienced users run retail while the newbies struggle with hacked distros and run into all sorts of problems that the experienced users don't even remember how to solve anymore.

 

Allright, that's enough preaching for tonight I think.

 

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NVInject and NVDarwin are two ways to do the same thing. If one doesn't work for you try the other. Do not install both at once! Both have been surpassed by NVEnabler and ATY_Init.kext. The same goes for them - if one doesn't work for you or doesn't have the features you're looking for, try the other.

The Chameleon bootloader (and derivatives) provides a .kext free injection method via /Extra/com.apple.Boot.plist.

 

Visit the ProjectOSX forums and search for Krazubu's 'guide to all nVidia boards' if you want to know more about video driver injection.

 

AppleSMBIOS.kext gets installed along with everything else when you install OS X. You can read aquire some basic knowledge on SMBIOS and the DMI on Wikipedia. In fact, whenever you see a technical term that doesn't mean anything to you, try wikipedia, or just search google.

There's no need to tamper with AppleSMBIOS.kext or use an SMBIOS injector these days - if you use the Chameleon 2 bootloader (or derivative) you can handle everything from /Extra/smbios.plist. Read more in the Chameleon documentation, and google/forum search "smbios.plist" to see some examples of what you are supposed to do with it.

 

Before following any guides or tutorials always check the date the guide was posted. If it's from last year or older, chances are good that there are now better (as in not always easier, but more compatible) ways to do the things that are outlined in the guide. Always look at several guides before jumping in. Since you're asking about AppleSMBIOS and NVInjector I think you must have been looking at some old guides.

 

Good luck, and if you reply to this, please don't quote the entire post! :)

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Im heading to assembly winter 2010 and want to install with my friend, could I like do first try the distro then erase it and try retail if I got time? Also is my hardware able to run snow leopard I really couldn't get it to boot.

 

Btw thank you for very good aswer.

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I've answered both your questions already.

 

You can't boot a retail OS X DVD on a stock PC without using a boot-132 or Chameleon boot CD.

 

There are also ways to make a bootable OS X retail installer on a USB stick using the same bootloaders.

 

If you have access to a real mac or working hackintosh it gets a lot easier.

 

Use a second hard drive just for OS X, it's a lot less complicated than getting a multiboot setup working properly.

Format the drive as HFS+ Journaled/GPT using Apple Disk Utility on the install DVD.

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I've answered both your questions already.

 

You can't boot a retail OS X DVD on a stock PC without using a boot-132 or Chameleon boot CD.

 

There are also ways to make a bootable OS X retail installer on a USB stick using the same bootloaders.

 

If you have access to a real mac or working hackintosh it gets a lot easier.

 

Use a second hard drive just for OS X, it's a lot less complicated than getting a multiboot setup working properly.

Format the drive as HFS+ Journaled/GPT using Apple Disk Utility on the install DVD.

 

Ok I got 2 partition on my second HD, 250gb for OSX and 500 for windows stuff I format the partition to mac format, would it work by choosing the priority boot device from my BIOS?

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Im getting panic on boot kernel panic ioapic thing what did I install wrong.

Also sometime other panics like iousbfamily and iohidfamily and iopcifamily thing. Installed chipset drivers and nvinject and ethernet driver and some tools

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Make sure you have ACPI 2.0 and ACPI APIC enabled in the BIOS. Leave Plug 'n Play OS set to no.

 

Try disabling hardware that you don't use, such as serial- and parallel ports, any on-board video or secondary LAN, floppy drive etc etc. It shouldn't be necessary but it will help to narrow down the issue.

 

Check the BIOS' CPU settings. All supported CPU capabilities should be enabled, except for CPU ID limit.

Be sure to scroll down and check that you don't miss anything, when I upgraded to a C2D E8500 from a P4 on my P5Q-E, a new C-state setting appeared outside of the visible area.

 

If it doesn't help, try reinstalling without selecting anything but ICH9 drivers (of course you must pick a bootloader and a decrypter (DSMOS, fakesmc or AppleDecrypt) too).

If there are more than one ICH driver, try another one. Do not pick more than one driver for the same device, this will definitely cause problems.

 

You can install all the other stuff later (sound, LAN, video) the important thing is to get it to boot and stay up without crashing.

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Ok I will try but is it right that it should work on IDE as I don't have AHCI on my bios. I tried iAtkos but its very slow to boot so I'll try this again. I didn't find the ACPI 2.0 support thing but it should be enabled by default as iAtkos worked

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Is it possible to install the Piixata and ICHx drivers same time, because I tried to only install piixata from chipset section and then it told waiting for boot device. And I only installed ICHx drivers last time still same panic.

 

Also does piixata affect the speed in any way as I installed iAtkos before what I uninstalled now because it was so slow on boot like 15min and do you suspect that not selecting piixata causes the panic?

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Try it and see is all I can say.

 

My hacks have ICH10, which is natively supported, and ICH5 - which runs happily with AppleIntelPIIATA.kext, and boots lightning fast too.

I've never installed OS X on a PC with ICH9 so I only know what I've read in the forums. Search, and experiment, look for solutions that others with ICH9 are using.

 

Aren't there any settings to tweak for the ICH9 in your BIOS at all?

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