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whiteyHHR
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Hi folks, I've been doing some reading on here and I'll admit most of this is like Chinese to me. Here's what I'm trying to do.

 

I recently picked up a Compaq CQ60 laptop

 

Microprocessor 2.10 GHz AMD Athlon X2 QL-64 Dual-Core Processor

Microprocessor Cache 1MB L2 Cache

Memory 3072MB

Memory Max 4096MB

Video Graphics NVIDIA GeForce 8200M

Video Memory Up to 1407MB

Hard Drive 250GB (5400RPM)

Multimedia Drive LightScribe SuperMulti 8X DVD±R/RW with Double Layer Support

Display 15.6" Diagonal High Definition HP BrightView Display (1366x768)

Fax/Modem High speed 56k modem

Network Card Integrated 10/100 Ethernet LAN

Wireless Connectivity

  • 802.11b/g WLAN

Sound

  • Altec Lansing

 

And I'm trying to dual-boot between Vista and Mac OS X. I've been using this guide

 

http://osx86.thefreesuite.com/leo_amd.php

 

I got to the point where it's time to boot from the DVD. I've been using the Mac OS X Leopard 10.5.1 for AMD SSE2/SSE3 (32bits) which I think might actually be the problem as I'm noticing a lot of people are having issues with this version. I've going to try to download a different one and try again but in the mean time, here's my issues.

 

Put the DVD in, restart my machine. It seems to try to boot. Get some stuff on the screen that flashes by quickly, then after a few seconds, the laptop just reboots and I go through the same thing again.

 

I'd love to give you folks more details but I'm not sure what you folks would require. Please let me know what steps you would like me to take to get you more info.

 

I've noticed also while reading around that there are different boot options like -v -f and so on. Can anyone tell me what these do and where I actually can input these options?

 

Thanks again in advance for the help.

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whiteyHHR
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ok, so I got Kalyway 10.5.2 yesterday. Haven't had a chance to try it yet. Will try it tonight and let everyone know what happened.

 

I'm hoping someone can still tell me how to enter the boot options (-v, -f, etc). When I try to boot from the DVD (again, the 10.5.1 that I originally had), it just tries to boot right away and then restarts my machine. It never gives me an option to enter an options. How do I go about doing this?

mikewill57
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Depending on the computer you have you need to set it to boot from DVD. On my HP I have to hit ESC as soon as it starts then I can select where to boot from. Select DVD, press enter. Then when DVD comes up you should have like 8 seconds or somet, hit F8, then -v. You may have to set your BIOS to be able to boot from DVD also. When you boot, look at the bottom of the screen and hit should tell you to hit F8 (or another F#) for setup options.

whiteyHHR
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Thanks Mike. And yes, it is booting to the DVD. But it never give me any options. It just starts loading stuff (4-5 lines or something I don't understand) then just restarts my machine. I will check again tonight if there is a delay there and try the F8 thing and see if it'll let me enter the -V.

 

Can you clear this up for me, from what I understand, the -V will let me see line by line what it does and where it stops?

 

thanks again.

mikewill57
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Yes. -V launches into Verbose mode. It'll show you a bunch of mumbo-jumbo Mac witchcraft that won't make any sense. Then it'll either go, or it won't. Strangely enough, I've had disks boot using -v that wouldn't boot without it. Methinks it just makes the processor work or somet so it doesn't have a chance to decide it's not going to play nice.

whiteyHHR
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ok... I don't know what to say. I've now tried to boot with the Kalyway 10.5.2, also using the -v and after trying to load 4-5 lines of gibberish it does the same thing, just restarts my machine and does it all over again. I've tried to see if there where any bios options but really, my bios is pretty basic... not a whole lot of options I can change. Any suggestions?

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ok... I don't know what to say. I've now tried to boot with the Kalyway 10.5.2, also using the -v and after trying to load 4-5 lines of gibberish it does the same thing, just restarts my machine and does it all over again. I've tried to see if there where any bios options but really, my bios is pretty basic... not a whole lot of options I can change. Any suggestions?

 

Hey whitey. I actually just told another post this, and i hope this helps you as I hope it helps that guy. I have yet to successfully install osx86 on my system (keyword: YET! i'm determined...) but I did start off having the same auto-reboot-before-getting-any-apple-ness symptom as you. What I did to at least see an apple logo and get past that 4-5 lines before a reboot was to boot with "busratio=20" and maybe even "cpus=1". cpus=1 may not be needed for you, but definitely try "busratio=20" (without the quotes).

 

Personally I've only seen the install menu once, and even then I was unable to see my harddrives in the menu... since then I've yet to see the menu any more, but at least I know that busratio=20 gets me to the apple logo... lol. Hopefully this knowledge gives you a bit more luck than it is me so far.

 

- Skwirl

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The md5 is like the hash number of the original file. It's basically the code, and it's universal. When you see on a forum like this and they post talking about the newest release of a distro, and the full detail of it, a lot of times they include the MD5 you can cross check it with. Then you have to DL a hash-check program, which is just a script I think, and after you DL the file, right click-->properties-->view checksum or somet like that. It's basically verifying that the file you got is the one that is original and not that some other person messed with.

 

2. Check the authenticity of your download

 

A. Why check the authenticity?

It is important to check the authenticity of the ISO image that you have downloaded. It will assure you that the ISO image hasn't been modified by anyone, that it's clean from spyware and viruses, and that it is free from corruption or any transfer error.

 

B. How to check the authenticity?

We can know that two files are identical by matching their HASHES. The HASH of a file is the result of its "calculation". A file has a specific HASH, if this file is modified then its HASH will be completely different.

 

Microsoft has published on its official website the HASHES of the two ISO images available in this Repository. Please check the HASH of the ISO image that you have downloaded using HashCheck (direct download — instructions) or any other HASH calculator, and verify that it is the same as the ones released by Microsoft :

 

* Microsoft Windows 7 32 Bits

o MD5: D0B8B407E8A3D4B75EE9C10147266B89

o SHA-1: 5395DC4B38F7BDB1E005FF414DEEDFDB16DBF610

 

* Microsoft Windows 7 64 Bits

o MD5: F43D22E4FB07BF617D573ACD8785C028

o SHA-1: 326327CC2FF9F05379F5058C41BE6BC5E004BAA7

whiteyHHR
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thanks again for the advice Mike. I will check it out when I get home tonight.

 

A few people are having the same problem as I am but it doesn't seem to be that common. Could this be a specific piece of hardware causing these issues? I don't think I've seen any common link though but just wondering...

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thanks again for the advice Mike. I will check it out when I get home tonight.

 

A few people are having the same problem as I am but it doesn't seem to be that common. Could this be a specific piece of hardware causing these issues? I don't think I've seen any common link though but just wondering...

 

I suppose it could be, or it could be the distro. No clue really. Sometimes I feel like my crackintosh just feels like flicking me off and saying, "Nope, not today buddy."

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well, no dice... tried -v, -s, busratio=20, cpus=1 and various combinations of them together (not even sure if that would work...) and I keep getting the same. It's almost like it doesn't like the disc itself and when it gets to a point, it just shuts down, then again, i was getting the same exact issue at the same exact point with a different distro...

 

So I'm going to get IPC 10.5.6 and try that... I'll also try to re-burn this image (kalyway 10.5.2) at a slower speed see if that makes a difference...

 

Any suggestions would be great. I'm see a few people with this issue but haven't seen a single person that has figured this out...

 

thanks again for the people that have tried to help me so far.

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ok, so I made some progress... yes SOME.. I tried booting with -x and BAM it starts going nuts loading stuff. I'm thinking to myself NICE! I got it!

 

 

well it didn't last long... after about 3-4 mins of flashing stuff on the screen, same thing happens... machine shuts down and restarts....

whiteyHHR
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hey Mike. I've been getting the same results since I first booted my machine when I got home.

 

I have another question. I've seen people talking about booting different kernels... can you only do this once leopard is installed or can I do this from the original boot?

 

Also, I've seen people talking about adding kext to the install... but what does this do? Is there a point for me to get into this at this time or am I not even getting to the point where this would make a difference?

 

Thanks again.

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So i've got an update with my own stuff which may or may not help you out, Whitey. I downloaded Kalyway 10.5.2 myself as well and it turns out that I can the same auto-reboot issue (as i've had with all other distro's i've tried so far [iPC 10.5.6; iPC X-DL; iAtkos v7])... but the difference is, at least with all the others i have still been able to see the apple logo (without -v) by typing "busratio=20". With kalyway i cannot get the apple logo at all even with busratio in there.

 

However, a thing to note that i found out is that busratio=20 is not completely accurate. it MUST be your actual cpu/bus ratio for your rig. If you don't know how to find this, there are two simple ways... one is your BIOS may have it under something like "processor multiplier:" which will say something like 4 or 8 or 20 etc. That number is what you type after busratio. I found out that mine I can actually change, but the default is set to 16. If your BIOS does not have it blatantly obvious for you, you can calculate it by finding out your FSB (Front-Side Bus) Frequency (usually 133, 200, mine is 200). and then you divide your processor frequency by it (mine is 3.2Ghz, so I would do 3200/200 = 16). Hopefully that makes sense to you... :/

 

It turns out that the newer voodoo and chameleon kernals almost REQUIRE you to type in busratio=xx on bootup... that's from what i've found anyway.

 

So my suggestion is for you to get iAtkos actually (that has given me the most progress with AMD), but iPC has shown some improvement for me as well. And calculate your busratio so you can add it to your bootflags at the start. Then if you do NOT type "-v" you should get an apple logo at least. If you DO type "-v" then you should see something like "MAC somethingsomething INITIALIZED". then other stuff after that line. Then all you have to do is figure out what the very last line it hangs on means (assuming it still hangs). That's the spot where i'm at so far...

 

Hey whitey, read your question of other kernals and kexts... I don't know the answer to your kernals thing.. as far as I know my install disks ahve all auto-loaded the MACH_KERNAL, and I don't know how to boot others. But for the kexts... all it is is added support for your hardware from what I've gathered. For example, I've had to add the SB700 kext to my install disks, b/c none of them had support for my SB710 southbridge chipset on my MoBo. Its not a complex process, especially if you have access to Mac OS X (even just from a friend for a few minutes). Here's a link on how to install kexts to disks:

 

Injecting Kexts into Install DVD's

SquirrelsOfTomorrow
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ok... so my cpu is a 2.1 and my fsb is 200... so I divide 2100 by 200... that's 10.5. Can I actually put 10.5 in there?

 

idk... worth a try.. either way, I don't think kalyway 10.5.2 will let that work for w/e reason. Probably uses different bootloader, i haven't looked into it much. Are you gonna try iPC next?

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ya, i'm downloading it as we speak... but it's coming down reeeaaaalllyyyy slow. I hope it's done by the time I get home. And ya, the busration=10.5 didn't do anything. The only thing that will get me anywhere is -x, but I still can't get to the installer....

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Squirrel, I just noticed you had modified your post with information about the kext stuff. So are you saying that I would need to do this for it to work in the first place? I thought that the installer would at least load even without these.

 

Can someone confirm I need to put all the appropriate kext on the install DVD or can I just do all of this after the install?

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Squirrel, I just noticed you had modified your post with information about the kext stuff. So are you saying that I would need to do this for it to work in the first place? I thought that the installer would at least load even without these.

 

Can someone confirm I need to put all the appropriate kext on the install DVD or can I just do all of this after the install?

 

you can use osx86 tools (not sure off the bat where the download for it is, but its not hard to find) to insert/install a kext after the installation is complete and you can successfully boot into leopard. Quite honestly, I'm not sure WHY exactly someone would need to insert a kext directly onto the DVD prior to installation, as I thought that the DVD should at least load the installation as well. I think either method is fine, but then, every situation seems to be slightly different based highly on your particular system. Some ppl I've found said they had to insert the SB700 kext onto the .ISO ahead of time, other said they did it after installation with osx86 tools. (idk if you need the SB700, i'm just using it as an example.)

 

Do you happen to know your chipsets on your mobo?

whiteyHHR
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well I've now also tried ipc and although it doesn't restart my machine, it stops and hangs in the same spot. Loads the mach kernel, then loads 2 lines of mkext and hangs... so I'm think that this may actually be my problem. Looks like its trying to load a driver that my machine doesn't like.

 

I unfortunately don't have the details of my mobo and all but cpuID tells me that it's a Wiston 303c with nvidia chipset.... dunno if that helps..

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