olandesevolante Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 vi volevo chiedere una cosa..ma l'aggiornamento programmi (della serie, quando trovi su aggiornamento software nuove versioni di itunes, quicktime, java e via dicendo) sono da fare oppure bisogna tenersi i programmi come sono? non me ne frega niente di fare l'upload ma era giusto per sapere..perchè se aggiorno safari tutto è ok..se aggiorno quick time e itunes mi iniziano a comparire permessi corrotti su utility disco che mi riappaiono ogni volta.. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
fwood Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 vi volevo chiedere una cosa..ma l'aggiornamento programmi (della serie, quando trovi su aggiornamento software nuove versioni di itunes, quicktime, java e via dicendo) sono da fare oppure bisogna tenersi i programmi come sono? non me ne frega niente di fare l'upload ma era giusto per sapere..perchè se aggiorno safari tutto è ok..se aggiorno quick time e itunes mi iniziano a comparire permessi corrotti su utility disco che mi riappaiono ogni volta.. se vuoi il mio parere...lascia stare gli aggiornamenti di itunes a quick time...per nn parlare di quelli di sistem (java 10.5.7 etcc) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198186 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveta Posted July 11, 2009 Share Posted July 11, 2009 beh alcuni io li ho fatti, e vanno. il problema è che dopo molti ti richiedono la registrazione, MA TU HAI IL TUO CODICE A TUO NOME VERO? ovvio, è vietato postare cose simili Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198311 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olandesevolante Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share Posted July 12, 2009 ..cmq io non li farò più mi hanno incasinato i permessi ora ce li ho sempre da riparare..poi tipo non si stava spegnendo ieri..faccio solo quelli di safari quando reinstallo Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198558 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex//3oo1 Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 ciao olandesevolante che le app ti vadano in crash è un motivo in più per indagare meglio per come sono fatto io,andrei a fondo! è bello vedere quando l aggiornamento software ti dice che non ci sono aggiornamenti disponibili Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198561 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveta Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 scusa, ma che centra il software update con i crash? evidentemente hai un sistema instabilissimo, io ho sempre fatto tutti gli aggiornamenti presenti, senza nemmeno guardare. Ovvio, tranne gli update di versione ( e nemmeno sempre, perchè in un paio di occasioni ho aggiornato erroneamente, riavviato e avevo la versione nuova senza colpo ferire, meglio di un mac originale) e poi, dipende da cosa hai aggiornato, ovvio. non avrai fatto proprio un combo update? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
olandesevolante Posted July 12, 2009 Author Share Posted July 12, 2009 ciao olandesevolanteche le app ti vadano in crash è un motivo in più per indagare meglio per come sono fatto io,andrei a fondo! è bello vedere quando l aggiornamento software ti dice che non ci sono aggiornamenti disponibili hehe ma non sono esperto di mac, per cui mi accingo a fare solo le cose più semplici.. i programmi non mi vanno in crash, è solo che iniziano a comparire permessi corrotti ad ogni avvio di disk utility..me li ripara..ma poi lo rifaccio e ci sono di nuovo.. comunque se proprio vuoi cimentarti ti riporto cosa dice disk utility: " 2009-07-12 13:27:24 +0200: Riparo i permessi per "leo" 2009-07-12 13:27:24 +0200: Leggo database permessi. 2009-07-12 13:27:24 +0200: La lettura del database dei permessi può durare diversi minuti. 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/Frameworks/CoreVideo.framework/Versions/A/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/Components/CoreMediaAuthoringPrivateComponents.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaAuthoringPrivate.framework/Versions/A/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate.framework/Versions/A/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate.framework/Versions/A/Resources/AVC.plugin/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate.framework/Versions/A/Resources/IIDC.plugin/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate.framework/Versions/A/Resources/MPEGAudioDecoder.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate.framework/Versions/A/Resources/MPEGLayer2AudioEncoder.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:15 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Tundra.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaIOServicesPrivate.framework/Versions/A/Resources/VDC.plugin/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreMediaPrivate.framework/Versions/A/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/PlugIns/AnnotationInspector.propPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/PlugIns/AudioSettingsInspector.propPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/PlugIns/DataRefInspector.propPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/PlugIns/HintTrackInspector.propPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/PlugIns/NetworkInspector.propPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/PlugIns/SettingsInspector.propPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/QuickTime Player.app/Contents/PlugIns/VisualTrackInspector.propPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeComponents.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTimeJava/QuickTimeJava.bundle/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTime3GPP.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeFireWireDV.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeH264.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeIIDCDigitizer.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeImporters.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeMPEG.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeMPEG4.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeStreaming.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/QuickTime/QuickTimeVR.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Library/Internet Plug-Ins/QuickTime Plugin.plugin/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Library/Internet Plug-Ins/QuickTime Plugin.webplugin/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/Frameworks/QTKit.framework/Versions/A/Resources/QTKitIBPlugin.ibplugin/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/Spotlight/QuickTime.mdimporter/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Library/Audio/Plug-Ins/HAL/iSightAudio.plugin/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/Frameworks/QuickTime.framework/Versions/A/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTAdvanced.prefPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTAdvanced.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTMediaKeys.bundle/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTAdvanced.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTMime.bundle/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTAdvanced.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTTransport.bundle/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTPlugIn.prefPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTRegister.prefPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTRegister.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTAbout.bundle/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTStreaming.prefPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:16 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PreferencePanes/QuickTime.prefPane/Contents/Resources/QTUpdate.prefPane/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:23 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:23 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Frameworks/InternetUtilities.bundle/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:23 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "Applications/iTunes.app/Contents/Resources/iTunesHelper.app/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-rw-r-- , sono lrw-rw-r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:28 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/Components/AudioCodecs.component/Contents/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:30 +0200: Permessi sono diversi "System/Library/PrivateFrameworks/CoreAUC.framework/Versions/A/CodeResources", dovrebbero essere -rw-r--r-- , sono lrw-r--r-- . 2009-07-12 13:29:34 +0200: 2009-07-12 13:29:34 +0200: Riparazione permessi completata 2009-07-12 13:29:34 +0200: 2009-07-12 13:29:34 +0200: " scusa, ma che centra il software update con i crash? evidentemente hai un sistema instabilissimo, io ho sempre fatto tutti gli aggiornamenti presenti, senza nemmeno guardare. Ovvio, tranne gli update di versione ( e nemmeno sempre, perchè in un paio di occasioni ho aggiornato erroneamente, riavviato e avevo la versione nuova senza colpo ferire, meglio di un mac originale) e poi, dipende da cosa hai aggiornato, ovvio. non avrai fatto proprio un combo update? ti ripeto che non ho crash..i programmi funzionano normalmente..solo che quando vado a riparare i permessi mi vien fuori quella cosa OGNI VOLTA..per cui penso siano successi casini..e visto che anche altri dicono di aver avuto casini non credo di avere io il sistema operativo..magari è un problema che viene a tutti..ripeto che credo queste cose, perchè non sono esperto e chiedo a voi che di sicuro ne sapete più di me ps ho aggiornato solo itunes, che mi ha richiesto anche l'aggiornamento di wuick time per cui ho aggiornato pure quello) e stop Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveta Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 sai cosa credo? che se le apps ti vanno bene, e il sistema sia stabile, sia inutile chiedersi come mai ti indichi certe cose.... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198644 Share on other sites More sharing options...
enrilo Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Ho il kernel vanilla e ho sempre aggiornato tutto, anche il sistema, senza problemi. Di solito parte solo l'audio... anzi, aggiornando si sistema lo sleep... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveta Posted July 12, 2009 Share Posted July 12, 2009 Ho il kernel vanilla e ho sempre aggiornato tutto, anche il sistema, senza problemi. Di solito parte solo l'audio... anzi, aggiornando si sistema lo sleep... Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1198718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oim Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Salve ragazzi, prendo spunto da questo topic per chiedervi un consiglio... Ho Tiger 10.4.8 Jas con qualche problemino di software: Crashano i seguenti programmi: 1) ichat 2) iweb Per iweb devo provare a scaricare l'aggiornamento dato che non ho possibilità adesso di scaricarmi 95 MB... Per ichat invece ho scaricato l'aggiornamento dal sito apple ma non ho risolto nulla questo è il resoconto: Date/Time: 2009-07-12 23:57:31.444 -0700 OS Version: 10.4.8 (Build 8L2127) Report Version: 4 Command: iChat Path: /Applications/iChat.app/Contents/MacOS/iChat Parent: WindowServer [83] Version: 3.1.6 (441) Build Version: 2 Project Name: iChat Source Version: 4410000 PID: 818 Thread: 2 Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001) Codes: KERN_PROTECTION_FAILURE (0x0002) at 0x00000004 Thread 0: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90024427 semaphore_wait_signal_trap + 7 1 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x973ea2ad CameraList_StartMonitorThread + 233 2 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x9736a932 -[HardwareCapsChangeNotifier initIOKitNotifications] + 1288 3 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x9736a3fc -[HardwareCapsChangeNotifier registerForHardwareNotification] + 455 4 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x9736a22c -[HardwareCapsChangeNotifier _init] + 112 5 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x9736a19c +[HardwareCapsChangeNotifier hardwareCapsChangeNotifier] + 76 6 com.apple.iChat 0x0001cfd1 0x1000 + 114641 7 com.apple.iChat 0x00018ce2 0x1000 + 97506 8 com.apple.iChat 0x00009a04 0x1000 + 35332 9 com.apple.Foundation 0x92610489 __NSFireMainThreadPerform + 352 10 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x9085d399 __CFRunLoopPerformPerform + 82 11 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90829fd2 CFRunLoopRunSpecific + 1213 12 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90829b0e CFRunLoopRunInMode + 61 13 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92dd9bef RunCurrentEventLoopInMode + 285 14 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92dd9234 ReceiveNextEventCommon + 184 15 com.apple.HIToolbox 0x92dd9154 BlockUntilNextEventMatchingListInMode + 81 16 com.apple.AppKit 0x9325e465 _DPSNextEvent + 572 17 com.apple.AppKit 0x9325e056 -[NSApplication nextEventMatchingMask:untilDate:inMode:dequeue:] + 137 18 com.apple.AppKit 0x93257ddb -[NSApplication run] + 512 19 com.apple.AppKit 0x9324bd2f NSApplicationMain + 573 20 com.apple.iChat 0x00002b6e 0x1000 + 7022 21 com.apple.iChat 0x0007e63d 0x1000 + 513597 Thread 1: 0 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90029a6c wait4 + 12 1 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84 Thread 2 Crashed: 0 com.apple.ATIRadeonGLDriver 0x0d5601af gldChoosePixelFormat + 1957 1 GLEngine 0x0d3d49d4 gliChoosePixelFormat + 78 2 com.apple.opengl 0x931cd158 glcPluginChoosePixelFormat + 184 3 com.apple.opengl 0x931cb9cd cglChoosePixelFormat + 1836 4 com.apple.opengl 0x931cb254 CGLChoosePixelFormat + 115 5 com.apple.agl 0x96abbbe0 aglChoosePixelFormat + 1141 6 ...le.QuickTimeUSBVDCDigitizer 0x0d380e32 GLContext::GLContext[in-charge]() + 44 7 ...le.QuickTimeUSBVDCDigitizer 0x0d3affc9 _static_initialization_and_destruction_0(int, int) + 49 8 dyld 0x8fe0fcb2 ImageLoaderMachO::doInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 170 9 dyld 0x8fe0a1c6 ImageLoader::recursiveInitialization(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&) + 160 10 dyld 0x8fe0cc15 ImageLoader::link(ImageLoader::LinkContext const&, ImageLoader::BindingLaziness, ImageLoader::InitializerRunning, unsigned) + 403 11 dyld 0x8fe03982 dyld::link(ImageLoader*, ImageLoader::BindingLaziness, ImageLoader::InitializerRunning) + 160 12 dyld 0x8fe08721 NSLinkModule + 157 13 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90025335 NSLinkModule + 85 14 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90845fab _CFBundleDYLDLoadBundle + 183 15 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90845e8e CFBundleLoadExecutable + 337 16 com.apple.CoreFoundation 0x90845d11 CFBundleGetFunctionPointerForName + 28 17 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90ccc1fb cf_lookupLibraryEntry(rtFile*, RegisteredComponent*) + 121 18 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90ccc050 LoadComponent + 162 19 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90ccbe4b OpenAComponent + 227 20 ...ple.CoreServices.CarbonCore 0x90cd15a2 OpenComponent + 24 21 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x97371991 CameraList_AddDriver + 487 22 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x973718b3 CameraList_AddDriver + 265 23 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x973718b3 CameraList_AddDriver + 265 24 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x973716af Camera_GetCameraList_actual + 217 25 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x973e66f1 Camera_GetCameraList_combo + 252 26 com.apple.viceroy.framework 0x97371486 CameraList_Thread + 126 27 libSystem.B.dylib 0x90023d87 _pthread_body + 84 Thread 2 crashed with X86 Thread State (32-bit): eax: 0x00000001 ebx: 0x02000000 ecx: 0x058738ba edx: 0x00000000 edi: 0x00084000 esi: 0xb011da9c ebp: 0xb011dae8 esp: 0xb011d990 ss: 0x0000001f efl: 0x00010283 eip: 0x0d5601af cs: 0x00000017 ds: 0x0000001f es: 0x0000001f fs: 0x00000000 gs: 0x00000037 Binary Images Description: 0x1000 - 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Non vorrei sbagliarmi, ma appena installato tiger ichat funzionava!!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1199118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oim Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 piccolo uppino!! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1199569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hackintosh96 Posted July 13, 2009 Share Posted July 13, 2009 Scusa si possono fare uppini ogni 24 ore Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/174524-aggiornamento-software-dei-vari-programmi/#findComment-1199576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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