Question about installing Leopard on P5Q Pro and various others

[vampirnata]

Hey all

 

I am a new member here and am incredibly intrigued with the whole running OSX on PC. I saw posts on this a few times on various websites but for some reason it never clicked ;p

 

I have been reading the forum and have a few questions if someone has the time to answer:

 

1) I see mention of iDeneb, iPC and Retail. From what I can gather, as there are numerous posts about this and some can be misleading and/or slightly confusing to a newcomer, is that iDeneb and iPC are hacked versions of the Retail Leopard install. Is this assumption correct and do if I use the Retail install approach, will I still need to install patches and such?

 

2) There is an excellent guide on how to install Leopard on a P5Q Pro, however I then see posts that detail easier guides for ALL configurations of hardware. I am a bit confused about this... Is there a method I should use first to see if it works and then go to the comprehensive P5Q Pro guide?

 

3) I am currently running a P5Q Pro, Quad Core 6600, 4 GB Mem, Nvidia 9600GT. If or rather when I get it all installed, will the performance be on par with a native iMac or will I experience degraded performance?

 

4) Is OpenGL working correctly at full speed? Or are there still graphics glitches and slowdowns with the 9600GT?

 

5) I have an Asus Xonar D2 sound card. I can't see any mention of this card on the forums. Maybe I am not looking correctly. Does anyone have any experience with this card on OSX?

 

I would greatly appreciate any answers you all could give me.

 

Also, BIG KUDOS to all the developers and hackers here. Life would be so boring without you all

 

Thanks in advance.

 

vampirnata

[vampirnata]

Hey all

 

I am a new member here and am incredibly intrigued with the whole running OSX on PC. I saw posts on this a few times on various websites but for some reason it never clicked ;p

 

I have been reading the forum and have a few questions if someone has the time to answer:

 

1) I see mention of iDeneb, iPC and Retail. From what I can gather, as there are numerous posts about this and some can be misleading and/or slightly confusing to a newcomer, is that iDeneb and iPC are hacked versions of the Retail Leopard install. Is this assumption correct and do if I use the Retail install approach, will I still need to install patches and such?

 

2) There is an excellent guide on how to install Leopard on a P5Q Pro, however I then see posts that detail easier guides for ALL configurations of hardware. I am a bit confused about this... Is there a method I should use first to see if it works and then go to the comprehensive P5Q Pro guide?

 

3) I am currently running a P5Q Pro, Quad Core 6600, 4 GB Mem, Nvidia 9600GT. If or rather when I get it all installed, will the performance be on par with a native iMac or will I experience degraded performance?

 

4) Is OpenGL working correctly at full speed? Or are there still graphics glitches and slowdowns with the 9600GT?

 

5) I have an Asus Xonar D2 sound card. I can't see any mention of this card on the forums. Maybe I am not looking correctly. Does anyone have any experience with this card on OSX?

 

I would greatly appreciate any answers you all could give me.

 

Also, BIG KUDOS to all the developers and hackers here. Life would be so boring without you all

 

Thanks in advance.

 

vampirnata

 

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[vampirnata]

Hey all

 

I am a new member here and am incredibly intrigued with the whole running OSX on PC. I saw posts on this a few times on various websites but for some reason it never clicked ;p

 

I have been reading the forum and have a few questions if someone has the time to answer:

 

1) I see mention of iDeneb, iPC and Retail. From what I can gather, as there are numerous posts about this and some can be misleading and/or slightly confusing to a newcomer, is that iDeneb and iPC are hacked versions of the Retail Leopard install. Is this assumption correct and do if I use the Retail install approach, will I still need to install patches and such?

 

2) There is an excellent guide on how to install Leopard on a P5Q Pro, however I then see posts that detail easier guides for ALL configurations of hardware. I am a bit confused about this... Is there a method I should use first to see if it works and then go to the comprehensive P5Q Pro guide?

 

3) I am currently running a P5Q Pro, Quad Core 6600, 4 GB Mem, Nvidia 9600GT. If or rather when I get it all installed, will the performance be on par with a native iMac or will I experience degraded performance?

 

4) Is OpenGL working correctly at full speed? Or are there still graphics glitches and slowdowns with the 9600GT?

 

5) I have an Asus Xonar D2 sound card. I can't see any mention of this card on the forums. Maybe I am not looking correctly. Does anyone have any experience with this card on OSX?

 

I would greatly appreciate any answers you all could give me.

 

Also, BIG KUDOS to all the developers and hackers here. Life would be so boring without you all

 

Thanks in advance.

 

vampirnata

 

UPDATE:

 

After playing around with OSX86 for over a week I have learnt a great deal more than when I first started, so I thought I would try and answer my own questions in case it helps anyone.

 

1) iDeneb, iPC, Kalyway, etc are all indeed prehacked versions of Retail. Its probably due to these guys that we have a lot of the functionality we have today. If you are doing retail vanilla install you will still need a bootloader such as boot132 or Chameleon to load your drivers. Benefits of Retail are that you can (almost) safely update to the latest version of the OS directly from Apple without breaking your system. I say almost because if your drivers does not work on the new updated OS, then it will crash or just not work.

 

2) I would say experiement as I did. I installed various prehacked distros and dove into the System dirs to see what was going on. The guides are just that, guides. They should not be followed religiously as any slight difference in your system might make the guide steps not work. Trial and error.

 

3) Not sure about performance vs a real mac but vs my Windows 7 RC1 install, the OSX86 install is miles faster. So fast and stable in fact that I have completely trashed my Windows RC1 install. I also bought myself a copy of Parallels and run my Windows only apps there. Very impressed with the speed I get on Parallels too.

 

4) OpenGL speed seems perfect. No bugs that I have come across yet and it runs my EVE Online at the same framerate as it did in Windows 7.

 

5) Sadly, it looks like there is no working driver for this. I have made another post asking for a kind developer to lend a hand. Maybe christmas will come early ;p

 

With that said, here are my system specs:

 

Asus P5Q Pro

Intel Quad Core 6600 running @ 3.0Ghz

nVidia Geforce 9600GT

 

Leopard 10.5.7 Retail

Chameleon 2.0RC1

 

Only 3 foreign .kexts in /S/L/E for sound and network. I figured that if an update breaks them, I can just reinstall.

 

So that about does it.

 

Good luck!

[sev1972]

Vamprinata, you've made the most sense of everyone on this forum so far to a novice like me!

 

I used a mac up until 3 years ago when engineering design applications forced me onto a PC. I'd love a mac pro but obviously it's cost and now all but one of my apps are available on MAC OS. What i'm hoping is that parallels is mature enough to allow this final one to run without issues.

 

Ideally i'd like to run natively in OS X, and run MS office and the last CAD programme I use under parallells, like I used to run all my OS 9 apps in the classic OS. If this works, then I know that I can build a Mac Pro beater for half the price!

 

I've got an Asus P5Q Deluxe with 8GB memory and an intel Q9550 CPU.

 

I'm currently running Windows 7 on a pair of Raid discs.

 

I have three other discs, so in total I have the following:

 

2 x 300GB WD velociraptors (currently in RAID set)

 

2 x 250GB WD Caviar (non raid and spare)

 

1 x 500GB WD Caviar Green (dumps/ downloads/ backups/ scratch disk)

 

I'd be more than happy to re-organise these as is necessary.

 

The graphics card is an Nvidia Quadro fx 4500.

 

 

I have a copy of retail OS X Leopard 10.5.6

 

What i'd like to ask is:

 

What do I need to get started on my road to hackintoshdom?

 

Will I need a sound card or will OS X recognise the onboard?

 

I currently have asus bios 1805 running, will I need a hacked version?

 

Other than a bootloader, do I need something to modify the bios or change the bios totally and install EFI?

 

Would ideneb or Kalliway be better than a retail dvd?

 

I really have no experience in commandline and the likes so a total virgin here!

 

All help greatly appreciated!

[vampirnata]

Hi Sev

 

I'm glad some of my notes have made sense to you. I also found it very frustrating to make sense of all the information on these forums. There is a ton of very useful stuff here but to be quite frank, a lot of it is garbage. The threads are also not very easy to navigate. I will try and help as much as I can but please be aware I am also still new to this.

 

To start I would say read these two threads:

 

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=136586

 

and

 

http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=144020

 

Don't worry if you don't understand everything yet. Just follow either one and see how it goes. You will learn a lot as you go.

 

I would say to stay sane, unplug all your disks and plug in only one hard disk that you will install on. That way you won't lose any vital partitions in case you make a mistake. Obviously some people will say "OH but that is not needed!". I know but it kept me calmer

 

I would suspect that your onboard is probably supported. Don't have much time to check but if you just google your board and see what chipset it has for sound, you should be able to find reference to it either on the above threads or under Hardward/Sound.

 

Yes you will need a bios upgrade. Use the one on the first thread. Lastest one is probably best.

 

As for Retail vs distro. I would say try iPC first. This is what I used. You don't need any bootloader. Just find the iso of iPC, burn it at 2x (just to be safe) and then boot of that.

 

Also a few little points.

 

Remember to change your sata mode to AHCI in your bios and turn of speedstep.

 

Once you have iPC installed, I would then take a second drive and install Chameleon and Retail on that. But maybe leave that untill you are a little more familiar.

 

Good Luck!