Installing OSX and Windows paralell on a Mac without using Boot Camp

[GhostOfTheNet]

what we need:

* mac osx installation cds or dvds

* windows xp sp2 installation cd

* macbook driver cd

 

01.) boot up from the osx installation disc

02.) partition your disc with 3 partitions (1=msdos. now its only a dummy, later windows will use this space;2=hfs+ for osx;3=msdos also only a dummy

03.) install osx onto the hfs+ partition and update it at least to 10.4.6 if you need to

04.) boot up from the windows xp cd

05.) when you are on the partitionin screen delete all partitions except the one where osx is installed(normally the third)

06.) at the begin of the disc create now your real windows partition and format it with ntfs or whatever you want(for data exchange we have the free space at the end)

07.) install windows like always

08.) install the macdriver form the cd you created, downloaded or whatever before

09.) partition in windows the free space on your disk. in most cases you need one partition for exchanging data between osx and windows... a data partition(now you have two possibilities. you format it now as fat32, because osx can not write onto ntfs, or you wait for the end and i'll tell you why it's better to use an ext2 partition as data partition. if this partition is bigger than 32GB, you must wait for the end of this *gg*)

 

ok, here is a bit of information what happend until now, but this is in german and i'll not translate it now because it's not really important

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was ist nun passiert?

es ist relativ einfach, windows unterstützt gpt partitionstabellen nicht. man könnte natürlich von anfang an windows mit ner mbr partitionstabelle installieren was die nebenwirkung hat das der osx installer das nicht mag. daher muß man tricksen.

zuerst haben wir ne gpt partitionstabelle angelegt. legt man im osx diskutility aber ne msdos partition an, wird auch gleich ne mbr partitionstabelle angelegt. so kann man osx installieren. dannach wird im windows setup die gpt partitionstabelle gekillt, da osx auch nur von mbr booten kann, windows aber nicht booten kann wenn die gpt partitionstabelle original existiert. nun wird windows installiert, man hat n mbr und gpt system, wobei die gpt partitionstabelle nur mehr bezogen auf die hfs+ partition stimmt und alles ist gut ^^

 

nun kann man auch mit partition magic rumspielen und versuchen andere systeme wie linux zu installieren.

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now you really should back up your osx, because when you want to reinstall it, i think you need to reinstall all

 

ok, now lets get up your data partition

you can use two filesystems for this:

1.) FAT32 (needs no other driver, maximum filesize is 4GB - 1 Byte(problems with DVD Images), if greater than 32GB you must format it in OSX)

2.) EXT2 (needs other driver, no max filesize >4GB, must format it in Linux, ext2 is simply cool)

I had an FAT32 data partition, and had problems with dvd images and vmware fusion(vmware workstation for OSX) because fusion can not split the virtual hard disk into 2GB parts.

 

Ok, as first I'll say you how to foramt a FAT32 bigger than 32GB.

01.) Boot up OSX

02.) Goto terminal

03.) type sudo -s

04.) enter your password

05.) type diskutil list

06.) type newfs_msdos -v <whatever you want to name your partition> <whatever you see in the list for you data partition>

07.) its done

 

Later here comes the EXT2 tutorial

 

greetz

Ghost

Edited December 27, 2006 by GhostOfTheNet

[alloutmacstoday]

nice guide

[kite]

Any chance that some of this procedure can help booting from a sata2-expresscard34 with a MBP?

[KesunJi]

thanks for GhostOfTheNet help me to create two NTFS partation which OSX can recogized and let XP and vista install in different partaion(vista cann't share a same patation with XP easily) but I still face with the problem 2 as below.

 

Hope I will find some way to slove all this.

 

 

 

Is there any on working on Quad-Booting on Mac? I am a new one of Mac, I am very exciting to find a Triple boot discuss on http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=768. So I think there should be some one will be interested in Quad-Booting on Mac.

 

 

 

My target:

 

Quad-Booting:OSX 10.4.8, Windows XP 32bit, Vista 32bit/64bit and ubuntu

 

File Sharing in perfect way: Using NTFS-3G and Macdrive, I can share any data on my Harddisk in any of my OS

 

Easily choose of the boot up OS: System can automaticly boot to a selected OS, and can be seleced on a same boot menu.

 

 

 

 

 

Reason: 1. OSX, how can a Macbook lack of OSX?

 

2. XP, with Boot Camp XP driver support Macbook can not go without with XP too. Certainly, for a daily use too.

 

3. Vista, much more beautiful than XP, so a beautiful Macbook need it, but for iSight, touchpad and some software not fully compatible yet, so I need XP in the same time. I have tried 64bit Vista on my Cuo 2 Duo too, AR5008 64bit vista driver in lack more than 32bit vista.

 

4. For personal interest, and so further coding useage, I need a Linux like ubuntu too. Although I only have 80G on my Macbook.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Status now,

 

 

 

I have find a way to install these four OS in my Macbook but need to verify a fourth one(ubuntu) on my harddisk. Now on my hard disk XP/Vista 32bit U/Vista 64bit U/OSX is sharing the boot.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Problem still have:

 

1.ubuntu can not recoginized my logic patation which I want to intall. Cause ubuntu 6.06 setup program mount EFI partation, NTFS for XP, HFS+ for OSX, the last two logical patation and a Primary patation can not be mounted. But I think if I delete the last primary patation and add a primary patation between the NTFS and HFS+, ubuntu should be able to install, but how can I make ubuntu to recognize other partation for Data share, I have not know yet.

 

 

 

2.Bootup Menu is no perfect, I can only maunally choose "Windows" by held "Option" key in bootup and then choose XP or Vista or ubuntu. Cause I mount the NTFS partation as NTFS-3g in OSX, bootup manager can not recognize my XP partation as a windows partation any more as before.

 

And then there seems to be some keyboard bug when I boot into windows bootup select menu. In most of times keyboard can not be used in bootup select menu. Only a few times I can use the keyboard to select in many bootup. I don't know whether it is because of my EFI or SMC too old. My SMC is 1.3X but when I want to update to 1.4f1 using MacBook SMC Firmware Update 1.1 install program tell me I don't need to update. I have only tried on a MBR partation type, I'm not sure how to fix keyboard issue or to update my firmware.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

With these issue my quad boot macbook need to be formated many time to find the best way. I hope I will find a fast way. So if any one have any advice to me, I will be very appraciate for it.

 

 

 

Now I plan to get a new planed four patition and find out a good bootloader which can support my inside keyboard.

[asap18]

no point of making a data partition now since we can use FUSE to write directly to ntfs.

[KesunJi]

no point of making a data partition now since we can use FUSE to write directly to ntfs.

 

yes, use FUSE and NTFS-3G I can write a ntfs partation but as I have mentioned, XP and Vista can not be install in the same partation in a easy way. So I need 4 partations for XP Vista OSX and Linux.

 

And a disadvantage of FUSE is if I mount NTFS partation as a NTFS-3G one, boot up manager in OSX can not recognize the NTFS partation as a bootable one. So when I want to boot up in to OS other than OSX, I must hold Option key during boot up to select windows boot up manually.

 

Is there any way to make this better?