gearheadgeek Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 First, it is a lot cheaper. Second, it is a PITA. It has weirdness that even gurus don't seem to understand. Mind you, I have seen some of this stuff in the past with linux and when my tech had to admin Windows. Some of this stuff may be an artifact of the kludges for backwards compatibility. The BIOS is nothing like the one in the original Apple II clone from IBM, the PC. For those of you too young to remember, that is what it was. Complete with cassette tape and block color graphics. It has had kludge after kludge bagged on to it. For example, hanging at "Verifying DMI Pool Data ....". Many things seem to cause this, but at the moment I can cause it by splittng a partition to make two, and my machine will hang up there. Reloading the BIOS defaults doesn't help. Clearing the CMOS doesn't help. Booting with another device, like a floppy or CD always works and sometime down the road (maybe after installing newer linux), it would stop hanging there. With this box, if I boot once with a boot 132 cd, choose 80 to get the darwin menu, and booting leopard from there solves the problem. Next boot will not hang at "Verifying DMI Pool Data ....". Pure black magic. And if you can find an explanation and real solution on the internet, I am all ears. Lord knows I have looked over the years. Or how about getting HPET kernel panics because I plugged in a GeForce 7300 card before I loaded a driver. That happens even if I tell the BIOS to use the built in video. Strangely, I can boot an install CD with no problem and install (iPC, XxX, etc) and then if I choose NVinject or such, it will boot the install without complaint. I can then use that install to put NVinject in my retail install and then it will boot with the card installed. But the weirdest one yet is that as I was cleaning up in /S/L/E on my retail install, thinking I was about ready to go live and switch full time to the new box, I mv'ed AppleHDA.kext.orig (which had been replaced as usual) to AppleHDA-orig.kext and it immediately panic'ed. Now none of the installs will boot - retail, iPC, XxX, iDeneb, Kalyway, iATKOS, Hazard (I have been experimenting ...). What happens is that it starts to boot but the screen goes black and it resets. I never get to an apple graphic screen before I rudely returned to the BIOS running the POST code. This even happens with any combination of -v, -s, or -x. It will boot an install disk and let me install, but cannot boot the install. I have no clue at this point. If anyone has a clue, a theory, or a solution, I am all ears. Carl Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
maya77 Posted July 5, 2009 Share Posted July 5, 2009 Start with -f ? :mellow: Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1193205 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearheadgeek Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 Start with -f ? And that is supposed to do what? It didn't change anything. Carl Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1193973 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearheadgeek Posted July 6, 2009 Author Share Posted July 6, 2009 Even more strangeness .... today it will no longer boot either retail DVD or Hazard DVD. Retail DVD, booted with -v prints only a few lines and reboots. Booted with -x -v it works for a long time but reboots before getting a gui. Hazard DVD, booted with -v works for a long time and panics before getting a gui. It complains about rtl.r1000.nic.ext. Once again I "load optimized defaults" and save, and low and behold, Hazard now comes up to configure. This is the same installation that would not boot yesterday after install. So, a mv in /S/L/E caused a panic and the machine would not boot the hard drive but would boot an install CD for a while but then even that failed. Reloading optimized defaults in the BIOS allows it to boot the hard drive now. How does a panic screw up the BIOS? More black magic, I guess. Carl Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1194118 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerkex'd Posted July 7, 2009 Share Posted July 7, 2009 Yeah that happens to me sometimes as well. I seems to me that a certain type of crash will leave 'something' (The APIC? The CPU? ACPI?) in an epileptic state that then gets kick-started back to consciousness by loading setup defaults in the BIOS. I usually clear CMOS, manually restore BIOS settings and then I can boot again. I haven't tried just loading setup defaults, thanks for the idea. I used to need a light to find the jumper but I can reset CMOS with my eyes closed now. Redundant Hackintosh skill +1. I'm pretty sure it's fixable by editing the DSDT. Which is over my head, but I'm trying to read and learn. I found a fix for a related, weird issue - sometimes OSX would kill my DVD drive (SATA drive on ICH10R) - so bad that it wouldn't even appear during BIOS post, I had to turn the computer off and on to get it back. Disabling sleep for hard drives in the energy saver settings fixed it. It's a good idea to boot in single user mode and run fsck after these crashes (once you can get the damn thing to boot at all). Check out Apple Jack, it's a nifty command line repair tool that you run from single user mode. It can repair the system drive in the same way as Disk Utility can when you run it from the install DVD, fix permissions, clear out the page file and user/system caches. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1194225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearheadgeek Posted July 8, 2009 Author Share Posted July 8, 2009 Yeah that happens to me sometimes as well. I seems to me that a certain type of crash will leave 'something' (The APIC? The CPU? ACPI?) in an epileptic state that then gets kick-started back to consciousness by loading setup defaults in the BIOS. Heh. Nice to know I am not the only one. I was beginning to think I was crazy. I usually clear CMOS, manually restore BIOS settings and then I can boot again. I haven't tried just loading setup defaults, thanks for the idea. You are welcome. I didn't see any difference between just reloading defaults and CMOS clear, but since it is black magic .... It's a good idea to boot in single user mode and run fsck after these crashes (once you can get the damn thing to boot at all). Check out Apple Jack, it's a nifty command line repair tool that you run from single user mode. It can repair the system drive in the same way as Disk Utility can when you run it from the install DVD, fix permissions, clear out the page file and user/system caches. Thanks. I will check it out. I run journaled so I didn't worry about fsck. Maybe I should. I have given passing thought to a custom BIOS. I used a (mumble) General (mumble) BIOS once in a product, but I can't afford that for myself. There are some free ones around, like linux bios. Carl Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1195062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Waters Posted July 8, 2009 Share Posted July 8, 2009 My hackintosh also started developing some black magic too, my mainboard is ga-p31-ds3l, its a gigabyte, and it does not support AHCI, so i use the Combined or Enhanced mode so bot the sata and pata disks are able to boot. the sata controller is ICH7 .. it should be compatible out of the box. still.. my problem is that using any sata harddisks in my hackintosh produces recurring disk I/O errors in the console at random times, till it ends up damaging the disk directory which gives me the error: invalid node structure in the disk utility.., and if i try to do a surface scan on the disk it reports bad blocks due to the I/O errors.. still my IDE drive working without a problem. it seems that its only related to sata controller ? anyway i tried hocking my sata drives with a sata to usb adaptor.. to my usb ports and boot from it... and surprisingly, those problems does not happen anymore, and also surface scans does not report any bad blocks.. so now I am sure that the disks are fine.. so the problem now relies in the sata controllers! anybody has an insight ? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1195080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gearheadgeek Posted July 9, 2009 Author Share Posted July 9, 2009 My hackintosh also started developing some black magic too, anyway i tried hocking my sata drives with a sata to usb adaptor.. to my usb ports and boot from it... and surprisingly, those problems does not happen anymore, No insight, but that is pretty ugly. Have you tried SATA alone (without PATA)? Maybe some interaction either in the hardware or the Mac driver(s). I am running only SATA with my G31M-ESL2 which is also ICH7 without problems. Carl Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1195943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pink Waters Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 No insight, but that is pretty ugly. Have you tried SATA alone (without PATA)? Maybe some interaction either in the hardware or the Mac driver(s). I am running only SATA with my G31M-ESL2 which is also ICH7 without problems. Carl Yeah i've tried that, but no avail.. also I am pretty cautious for now when experimenting because I cannot use time machine due to not having enough spare usb ports to hock the HDD in.. so I don't have a backup for my system, and i don't like to rely on some experiment and afterwards the sh**t hits the fan and i get screwed! So i am saving experimenting till I am sure i've found the cause of this issue, this is why iam trying to ask in the forums here.. but up till now i've not got any progress though nobody gave me considerable insight, rather than someone before who suggested it maybe a hardware error in the mainboard... but to be sure of that i think i have to reproduce a similar situation like the one iam having but on another system/OS like windows or linux, and iam not sure how i supposed to do that, and how would that be like on windows or linux so i could recognize it.. because the formating system that those OSs use to format the HDD is different or maybe more solid not to get corrupted by occasional I/O errors ?! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1196021 Share on other sites More sharing options...
crunchewy Posted October 25, 2009 Share Posted October 25, 2009 I'm new to the Hackintosh scene.. I'm having the same issue with BIOS needing jumper reset EVERY time I reboot. I'm nervous that eventually I'm going to hose my bios but it seems fine so far. DFI lanparty dk p35t2rs. kalyway 10.5.2. network/internet worked right away. ran nvinject.pkg to get 8800GT to display correctly. USB drives mount. onboard analog sound output works (no inputs or digital out), and my lite-on IDE dvd-writer reads (altho I used a sata to install) ripping disks crashes but this is probably the fault of IDE... sata boot HDD is in IDE mode, no legacy support, guid single boot. Sleep won't work either. System is responsive, looks good. e8600 and 8gb ddr2. BIOS has me worried. I guess I need to learn about DSDT? Can I hose my BIOS by using a DSDT patch tool? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/173702-two-differences-in-hackintosh-and-real-mac-hardware/#findComment-1310377 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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