Install OSX via HFS+ formatted iPod?

[PopSmith]

So I decided to try and install OS X from my iPod since I am about out of DVD-Rs and, after backing up my iPod, I formatted it via TransMac (Right-click -> Format with Disk Image) with an uncompressed DMG of OS X 10.5.6.

 

However, I ran into a bit of a problem. I am not sure how to boot the installer from the iPod, I figured it won't boot directly since it's HFS+ formatted, so I used the ISOLinux thing that wingrunr21 created and got stuck on the "Enter device ID" part.

 

I am not sure which ID to put in to have it install from the USB port my iPod is plugged into.

 

Since I couldn't get the ISOLinux thing to work I tried booting directly off the iPod and it complained about not having a GUID boot partition for a second before booting into XP.

 

Is it possible to install OS X this way or am I just stuck for now?

 

Thanks

[apreichner]

Did you try Boot132?

 

If you haven't, I would try it. Press the Esc key when it boots, and start entering random drive numbers (80 for first hard drive, 81 for second, etc.) until you find your partition that the image is restored to.

[PopSmith]

OK, I will try that. It sounds like the image thing I have is boot-132 (although I might be wrong) because what you are saying sounds familiar.

 

If I am "getting" what you say correctly you mean try enter numbers from 80 onward with the iPod plugged in and see if I can get the boot-132 program to boot from the iPod?

 

UPDATE: I created a FAT32 partition of my HDD (not the iPod) and unpacked the image to it. I booted from it (device id 81) and it went into the installer but my touchpad mouse wouldn't work. I will look in the Dell thread(s) and see what fixes are around for that particular problem.

[apreichner]

Try a standard USB mouse. There is probably a way to get the touchpad working after the OS is installed, but I don't imagine the kext exists during a retail install.

[PopSmith]

Try a standard USB mouse. There is probably a way to get the touchpad working after the OS is installed, but I don't imagine the kext exists during a retail install.

 

Yep, figured when my touchpad didn't work last night that a USB mouse would and it worked beautifully. I didn't install OS X yet though because I needed my laptop to take notes in class and figured if I couldn't get the dual-boot to work I would be screwed.

 

However, now I don't need my laptop to take notes with for the next few days so I am going to take another whack at getting OS X installed in about 15 minutes here and see where it gets me.

[PopSmith]

OK after fiddling around a bit I might just format my computer via OS X and install it. I currently have Windows XP installed and the only thing I am currently using on Windows that I can't natively do on a Mac is gaming.

 

I have a couple of questions regarding dual-booting (sorry I know this is way OT)

 

First, is their a difference between dual-booting via Boot Camp vs by other means? (note: I am not sure how to get XP to dual boot with OS X other than Boot Camp, although I will have to do a bit more research).

 

Considering that I only have a single HDD, is their a performance "hit" on either OS X or XP when using Boot Camp when compared other means dual-booting OS X and XP? I am assuming their is going to be a bit of one no matter which dual-booting method I use because two OSes are installed on a single HDD. However, I am wondering how "significant" this hit really is.

 

While the performance hits aren't a major concern, the biggest concern I have is internet connectivity. I have a Intel 4965AGN wireless card in my laptop and the drivers, from what I can tell, don't currently connect to a network. This means that for reasons of troubleshooting, and my occasional online homework, until the 4965AGN drivers mature I would need Windows still for some functionality it provides.

 

Thanks for the help, sorry if I am a big pain!

[acmilancrazy]

OK after fiddling around a bit I might just format my computer via OS X and install it. I currently have Windows XP installed and the only thing I am currently using on Windows that I can't natively do on a Mac is gaming.

 

I have a couple of questions regarding dual-booting (sorry I know this is way OT)

 

First, is their a difference between dual-booting via Boot Camp vs by other means? (note: I am not sure how to get XP to dual boot with OS X other than Boot Camp, although I will have to do a bit more research).

 

Considering that I only have a single HDD, is their a performance "hit" on either OS X or XP when using Boot Camp when compared other means dual-booting OS X and XP? I am assuming their is going to be a bit of one no matter which dual-booting method I use because two OSes are installed on a single HDD. However, I am wondering how "significant" this hit really is.

 

While the performance hits aren't a major concern, the biggest concern I have is internet connectivity. I have a Intel 4965AGN wireless card in my laptop and the drivers, from what I can tell, don't currently connect to a network. This means that for reasons of troubleshooting, and my occasional online homework, until the 4965AGN drivers mature I would need Windows still for some functionality it provides.

 

Thanks for the help, sorry if I am a big pain!

 

Hi, i dont have much experience with installing bootcamp using osx86, however, if you CAN get everything working (ie internet, etc.) it would be better and FAR easier than setting up a dual boot system without using a second hdd. I set up my bros desktop with two hdds in it so i installed mac OS X onto one hard drive and kept XP on the other and so i used the built in bootloader (in this specific computer, you press F11 on startup and then it asks you what device or drive you want to boot from, then you just select the drive with the operating system you want to use) to switch between the two. So, if you could find a second harddrive (doesnt have to be very big) you could install one of the OS's onto there. If your comp is a laptop, you could format your iPod or another external drive as a HFS+ disk and then install mac os x onto THAT, which i have done and DOES work. In the case of the iPod, if you wanted to make TWO partitions on it, you may be able to install Mac OS X onto one partition and format the other partition with fat32 or something and install the Rockbox OS (http://www.rockbox.org) or the iPod Linux OS (http://www.ipodlinux.org) for using your iPod as an MP3 player because otherwise, you wouldnt be able to download songs to your iPod and listen to them (as far as i know). But ya, i dont recommend dual booting on the same hdd cuz its a pain in the butt. Its possible, but you have to make sure to keep XP on the primary (first) hdd partition, and then you need to install a bootloader for your computer to start up with to choose between the two (use Acronis OS Selector)...hope this helps. And for the record, I dont and nobody SHOULD consider you a pain for asking questions. This is a forum and we're here to help each other out with our problems. So go ahead ask away!

 

-acmilancrazy

[PopSmith]

Well, the only thing is I am using a retail copy of OS X Leopard so that's why I asked about Boot Camp.

 

I found a few guides on Boot Camping XP so it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I think I am going to give it a shot tonight as I have an extremely clean Acronis image (similar to Norton Ghost) of my XP install.

 

If I can't get the boot camp to work right or I don't like the performance of it I will just format my machine back to XP using the mentioned image until school gets out and I have time to really screw with getting OS X working.

[acmilancrazy]

Well, the only thing is I am using a retail copy of OS X Leopard so that's why I asked about Boot Camp.

 

I found a few guides on Boot Camping XP so it shouldn't be too much of a problem. I think I am going to give it a shot tonight as I have an extremely clean Acronis image (similar to Norton Ghost) of my XP install.

 

If I can't get the boot camp to work right or I don't like the performance of it I will just format my machine back to XP using the mentioned image until school gets out and I have time to really screw with getting OS X working.

 

Wait, your using WHAT?!!!! LOL dude, your crazy man your chances of getting everything working will be TEN TIMES BETTER if you use a OSX86 install dvd. If you have 512 mb RAM or more, you should use the iPC Universal PPF5 Final install dvd which is basically the best of the osx86 install dvds out right now in my opinion. It has yet to fail working on any computer ive tested it on

 

Make sure you know what chipsets and make/model of hardware you have first though

 

If you have less than 512 MB RAM i recommend using a Tiger OSX86 install dvd

 

Btw, Do you know how to use a torrent client? because that is how you will be getting the OSX86 install dvd...

 

-acmilancrazy

[PopSmith]

Wait, your using WHAT?!!!! LOL dude, your crazy man your chances of getting everything working will be TEN TIMES BETTER if you use a OSX86 install dvd. If you have 512 mb RAM or more, you should use the iPC Universal PPF5 Final install dvd which is basically the best of the osx86 install dvds out right now in my opinion. It has yet to fail working on any computer ive tested it on

 

Make sure you know what chipsets and make/model of hardware you have first though

 

If you have less than 512 MB RAM i recommend using a Tiger OSX86 install dvd

 

Btw, Do you know how to use a torrent client? because that is how you will be getting the OSX86 install dvd...

 

-acmilancrazy

 

Yeah, I'm a bit crazy I guess. I figured I would rather try and get the "real thing" to work before trying an OSX86 disk since the apple hardware is practically the same as hardware on "Windows" PCs now a days.

 

My laptop is decently powered (although not great by many means) as well, it's an Inspirion 1720 with the following specs:

 

Core 2 Duo T7300 (2.00GHz)

2GB RAM

nVidia GeForce 8600M GT

Sigmatel Audio

Intel 4965AGN (Really, so far, my biggest hurdle hardware-wise to going OS X exclusively)

 

Also, I do know how to work BT. That's actually how I got the retail OS X but don't tell anyone.

[acmilancrazy]

Yeah, I'm a bit crazy I guess. I figured I would rather try and get the "real thing" to work before trying an OSX86 disk since the apple hardware is practically the same as hardware on "Windows" PCs now a days.

 

My laptop is decently powered (although not great by many means) as well, it's an Inspirion 1720 with the following specs:

 

Core 2 Duo T7300 (2.00GHz)

2GB RAM

nVidia GeForce 8600M GT

Sigmatel Audio

Intel 4965AGN (Really, so far, my biggest hurdle hardware-wise to going OS X exclusively)

 

Also, I do know how to work BT. That's actually how I got the retail OS X but don't tell anyone.

 

haha yaaaaa....ummm, im not a well-seasoned expert or anything, but the device and manufacturer ids, etc. are going to differ from those of Apple hardware most of the time and apple hardware is, as far as i know, VERY different from PC hardware (one of mac lovers/pc haters big things is that their hardware is far superior to that of PCs)

 

so, that being said, you can infer that what im trying to say is that the hardware is or at least, CAN be quite different from that of PCs and THAT being said, you should use a torrent and get the brilliant (props to pcwiz) iPC install dvd and use THAT. This will give you a MUCH higher chance of success

 

as for your wifi problem...see here (http://code.google.com/p/iwidarwin/) there is a link to a dmg containing the SVN for your wifi card....they are basically taking a linux driver for it and porting it over to Mac OS X

[PopSmith]

haha yaaaaa....ummm, im not a well-seasoned expert or anything, but the device and manufacturer ids, etc. are going to differ from those of Apple hardware most of the time and apple hardware is, as far as i know, VERY different from PC hardware (one of mac lovers/pc haters big things is that their hardware is far superior to that of PCs)

 

so, that being said, you can infer that what im trying to say is that the hardware is or at least, CAN be quite different from that of PCs and THAT being said, you should use a torrent and get the brilliant (props to pcwiz) iPC install dvd and use THAT. This will give you a MUCH higher chance of success

 

as for your wifi problem...see here (http://code.google.com/p/iwidarwin/) there is a link to a dmg containing the SVN for your wifi card....they are basically taking a linux driver for it and porting it over to Mac OS X

 

I took a peek at iPC and it looks like it would work pretty well. I will let it D/L it overnight (well, I am off to bed but it's gonna take 3 hours to download) and see how well it works tomorrow afternoon. I'll have to extract it to my iPod and if I can get it to boot properly.

 

I didn't read up a whole lot on the iPC thing since I figured I could get the retail disk to work. Can I just boot straight off the iPC disk or do I need to use a bootloader like Boot-132?

 

Thanks again for the help!

[apreichner]

I say go for the retail install! Good luck with it and I hope it works out well! For a complete guide, I would suggest you follow this http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=144020 ... It'll include dual boot instructions. Just ignore the part about the bios modification and the drivers are going to be different. Otherwise, just follow it. If you intend to use a single drive while still dual booting XP, you'll need to find a way to replace the OSInstall.pkg file in there to allow you to install to an MBR partition. You might be able to do this by mounting it on windows, and then restoring it via Transmac. Good luck! PM me if you need any help.

[acmilancrazy]

I say go for the retail install! Good luck with it and I hope it works out well! For a complete guide, I would suggest you follow this http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=144020 ... It'll include dual boot instructions. Just ignore the part about the bios modification and the drivers are going to be different. Otherwise, just follow it. If you intend to use a single drive while still dual booting XP, you'll need to find a way to replace the OSInstall.pkg file in there to allow you to install to an MBR partition. You might be able to do this by mounting it on windows, and then restoring it via Transmac. Good luck! PM me if you need any help.

 

Hi apreichner...i always welcome people giving other options as im not the say all or anything but, i really think that he should get it actually working first and THEN once he has a method down for getting os x working on yer pc, then you can reformat yer hdd and mess with setting up the comp with dualbooting outside of just using bootcamp while using a retail copy..but ya, i think that while it would be pretty awesome to be able to say that you got a retail copy working on a PC, its just not worth the headache...at least not if your shorttime goal is just to get the OS working...once you get it installed, you can mess with the os and get some understanding of how everything works and then once you understand it all, THEN you can mess with the retail install route....but ya, basically the point is, try iPC first to see if THAT will work because if you cant even get a install dvd tailored specifically FOR PCs to work, then there is very little hope of getting a retail install to work, so you could be wasting a LOT of time for nothing, which is why i say, test the OSX86 version first... But, ya, apreichner, i dont mean to come off as a jerk or anything, so accept my apologies if i came off to you as such

 

Now, PopSmith, ive never tried booting an install dvd image off of an external hdd, so idk if you will need Boot123 or not, but, everytime ive used an osx86 install dvd (which i just burned onto a regular dvd-r) all you have to do is pop it in and restart the comp, make sure the bios is set to boot from cd/dvds and then it'll start up no problems so if you can format the drive/iPod/etc to show up as a bootable dvd in bios (which IS possible,but time-consuming to make happen) then you would be golden...but since ive never tried that, i recommend using Boot123 as you will probably need it (im guessing, but it makes sense that you WOULD need it). Sooooo...its been a few days i just noticed, so you should be done downloading it..have you tried installing it yet? If you have any problems with finding the right drivers for your hardware, and if you still have XP installed and HAVENT tried installing OS X yet, try Everest Home Edition to find out what type of mobo and chipsets you have...although i think you already got all that so this may not be pertinent to you haha

 

O btw, you are most certainly welcome

 

Keep the questions coming

 

[bTW]: You CANNOT Run Bootcamp on a hackintosh ive come to find out because of the need for the "OFFICIAL" Apple EFI firmware...i guess someone was trying to get around that but they seem to have stopped on the project...so just create another partition and install windows onto that...you may be able to create a native install inside of parallels or vmware (OS virtualization softwares) see below... (http://www.insanelymac.com/forum/index.php?showforum=104)

 

-acmilancrazy

[PopSmith]

First, I'm sorry for not getting back quicker. I found a DVD+RW lying around today and burned the ISO via ImgBurn @ 2.4x then I tried installing iPC and it kernel panics on both regular (vanilla?) installs (when I push enter at the selection screen) and -v installs.

 

It surprises me because I can get into the installer for the retail OS X and the only thing preventing me from installing that (other than the whole kext thing) is that I would have to format my HDD to install it according to the OS X installer.

 

 

I can take a picture of the error screen if it's needed, or I can just right down some information and post it here.

 

EDIT: I disabled the Dual Core (in the BIOS) as well as SpeedStep and it booted to a "Spinning Wheel of Doom". I let it sit at that window for 20 minutes to make sure it wasn't just loading.

 

OK, I got it to boot by going -f and having SpeedStep disabled (Dual Core is enabled though). I will install Everest in a minute here to figure out exactly which chipsets I have so I can get the thing installed.

 

EDIT 2: I installed Everest and wrote down the chipsets however, I am slightly confused on the Kernel(s). I would think you can't install more than one. However, by default iPC has them all selected. Is there a specific (and only) one that I should install or would it be OK to install them all minus the ones I know I don't need such as the AMD or older Intel ones?

[acmilancrazy]

EDIT 2: I installed Everest and wrote down the chipsets however, I am slightly confused on the Kernel(s). I would think you can't install more than one. However, by default iPC has them all selected. Is there a specific (and only) one that I should install or would it be OK to install them all minus the ones I know I don't need such as the AMD or older Intel ones?

 

 

i just used the stageXnu universal kernel...and yes, you only pick ONE or else you can have problems (i think) i only chose one (the stagexnu universal kernel) and it worked wonderfully!!

 

[EDIT]: To answer your question in a more complete manner, yes, you can just pick the newest intel one (given that your processor is supported by the kernel (meaning, if the kernel needs SSE3, then your processor must have SSE3 or it wont work)

[apreichner]

Now, PopSmith, ive never tried booting an install dvd image off of an external hdd, so idk if you will need Boot123 or not, but, everytime ive used an osx86 install dvd (which i just burned onto a regular dvd-r) all you have to do is pop it in and restart the comp

 

Boot132 is required if you are using a retail dvd. It's NOT required if you are using a pre-patched "hackintosh" dvd. Reason being: When they patched the retail dmg and converted it to an ISO, they also patched the boot files and added a PC friendly bootloader (usually chameleon).

 

 

i just used the stageXnu universal kernel...and yes, you only pick ONE or else you can have problems (i think) i only chose one (the stagexnu universal kernel) and it worked wonderfully!!

 

[EDIT]: To answer your question in a more complete manner, yes, you can just pick the newest intel one (given that your processor is supported by the kernel (meaning, if the kernel needs SSE3, then your processor must have SSE3 or it wont work)

 

"The newest intel one" depends on you. The retail kernel and best one to use (if your CPU supports it, i think it does) is the Vanilla kernel. This would allow you to run most updates via Apple Software Update. If your CPU doesn't support it, I would suggest the Voodoo 9.5 kernel if it is available. This has built in CPU-ID patching, so most updates through Software Update should work.

 

but ya, basically the point is, try iPC first to see if THAT will work because if you cant even get a install dvd tailored specifically FOR PCs to work, then there is very little hope of getting a retail install to work, so you could be wasting a LOT of time for nothing, which is why i say, test the OSX86 version first...

 

It's all in good fun, my friend. I prefer a challenge once in a while. However, I still wouldn't call it wasted time because either way you figure out what is going to work and what is not. And if you look at the link I posted, it has him install a "hackintosh" version first to patch the OSInstall package so he can install it to an MBR partition table.

 

And there really is no point to bootcamp on a PC. A quick lesson on bootcamp: Bootcamp is just an overglorified partition editor on steroids. It partitions the drive and creates a hybrid partition table (the standard partition table on a mac is a GUID (GPT) partition, but Windows only likes MBR partition tables, so it has to create a GUID/MBR hybrid.) After that it just adds a fancy bootloader.

 

The easiest and most pain-free way to dual boot on a PC is to create two partitions during the OS X setup. One for OS X, one for Windows. Install OS X, then install Windows. Use a program like EasyBCD to add Leopard to your Windows bootloader.

[PopSmith]

Alright! I got OS X installed and booting, including a dual-boot with XP. I am just using the Darwin bootloader and worked fine after reading this post.

 

I think I screwed a few things up with the chipset selection because OS X doesn't detect my keyboard or mouse. I plugged in my G15 and a Logitech USB mouse I had laying around. They worked without a hitch though, so it's not too much of a problem.

 

I will have to research a bit but I think something I will have to do in the near future is buy a Airport-compatible card off eBay because I have a 4965AGN built-in to this Dell and I can't get it connect to my network. However, that is at least partially due to my OS X newbieness.

[acmilancrazy]

Alright! I got OS X installed and booting, including a dual-boot with XP. I am just using the Darwin bootloader and worked fine after reading this post.

 

I think I screwed a few things up with the chipset selection because OS X doesn't detect my keyboard or mouse. I plugged in my G15 and a Logitech USB mouse I had laying around. They worked without a hitch though, so it's not too much of a problem.

 

I will have to research a bit but I think something I will have to do in the near future is buy a Airport-compatible card off eBay because I have a 4965AGN built-in to this Dell and I can't get it connect to my network. However, that is at least partially due to my OS X newbieness.

 

 

Ok, good job! umm as for your wifi...earlier on i posted a link to a driver for it...here...ill post it again...

 

http://iwidarwin.googlecode.com/svn/trunk/...0.5/iwi4965.dmg

 

and here is the original page you can get the link from if the above doesnt work...

 

http://code.google.com/p/iwidarwin/

 

Hope this helps...and glad you got it workin