nickll9009 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I have a question... If I use my mom's computer to install Kalyway 10.5.2 to an external HDD then plug it into my computer, and boot it, then copy all the files on it to my Internal HDD and mark it as bootable, will I be able to boot into Leopard from my internal HDD? EDIT: Of course I would use Disk Utility to format it as Mac OS X Extended Journaled first! Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/118350-one-small-question/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS 1.04 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 Hi nickll9009 You could do that but i would not recommend simply copying the system from one volume to another, firstly as you may or may not be aware; there are many hidden parts of OS X in the root of the system partition that you cannot see in the finder (such as the kernel and various BSD system directories like var bin etc among others), you would have to ether make these visible or copy from the terminal... even then you are going to loose invisible bits and more importantly you will lose physical file arrangement (the cp command iterates recursively through a path alphabetically) this is effectively like defragging an OS X system with an unsuitable defragger that does not have definitions such as tech-tool... The point is it would make for very slow loading and operation (system caching can only do so much) your HDD's actuator will excessively seek this way. What you would need to do is clone the volume with ASR (which you can access from the Disk-Utility GUI under New>Image>From (selected device) after you select the partition in the device tree.... DO NOT USE NORMAL IMAGE FROM FOLDER OPTION, this will not use ASR only creating a disk image then copy the contents of your drive loosing file-system, metadata, invisible bit and physical arrangement). Once you have a clone then you can restore it with DiskUtility to another HDD. My question is why are you installing it to an external from another computer then transferring it to another computer... if the reason is that you do not have a DVD drive on the target machine then it would be better to boot from the Install DVD on your mum's, then restore the ISO of the installation DVD (which i assume you must have on the internal HDD of that computer) to your external HDD with Disk-Utility (you can access it from the Utilities Menu on the Installation DVD). then boot form the external HDD on your computer and install OS X to HDD from there (as if it were the Install DVD). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/118350-one-small-question/#findComment-838425 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickll9009 Posted July 30, 2008 Author Share Posted July 30, 2008 thanks for the quick reply! Two questions though-- 1. - Is this possible I asked the question of - Can I extract the ISO file to a 4 GB partition on my computer, then boot up that partition and install to the main partition, but that was shot down with - No, because the install disk has around 200MB for EFI to boot from, not the BIOS, and it would only work if it were a real Mac.- Is this the same If I extract the ISO file to the HDD and mark it as bootable, and install from that. 2.- If kinda confused on the last paragraph. My mom's computer is a PC, running Vista. how do I access whats on the internal HDD from the install disk? NOTE- My computers CD/DVD drive is broken. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/118350-one-small-question/#findComment-838468 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac_maestro Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 I have a question... If I use my mom's computer to install Kalyway 10.5.2 to an external HDD then plug it into my computer, and boot it, then copy all the files on it to my Internal HDD and mark it as bootable, will I be able to boot into Leopard from my internal HDD? EDIT: Of course I would use Disk Utility to format it as Mac OS X Extended Journaled first! I use an external Hard Drive to try new installs and upgrades. If I'm happy with the results, then I boot from the external drive and I use Hatchery to clone the external disk to a partition on my internal drive (Dual partition Leopard/Vista). Then, while still booted from the external drive, I use osx86 tools to install a bootloader onto the internal drive (use the Install EFI/Run fdisk command, and you'll get 4 different choices - my favorite is the EFI Chameleon bootloader.) You could use the same process to clone the entire HDD to your internal drive. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/118350-one-small-question/#findComment-838470 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOS 1.04 Posted July 30, 2008 Share Posted July 30, 2008 thanks for the quick reply! Two questions though-- 1. - Is this possible I asked the question of - Can I extract the ISO file to a 4 GB partition on my computer, then boot up that partition and install to the main partition, but that was shot down with - No, because the install disk has around 200MB for EFI to boot from, not the BIOS, and it would only work if it were a real Mac.- Is this the same If I extract the ISO file to the HDD and mark it as bootable, and install from that. 2.- If kinda confused on the last paragraph. My mom's computer is a PC, running Vista. how do I access whats on the internal HDD from the install disk? NOTE- My computers CD/DVD drive is broken. No problem, 1. AFAIK it is entirely possible to restore an Installation DVD ISO to a HDD... this is infact how people create modified installation disks, the BIOS does not boot from an optical drive differently than a HDD, as far as it knows it's an ATA device just like a HDD... the fact that the physical volume is differently constructed and read only is of no significance... it still needs a boot-loader and EFI emulator to boot OS X, the difference is the OS on an installation disk has been cut down to the bare minimum and has been modified to run from read only media by loading certain files into a ram-disk... point is, provided it is restore to a HDD exactly, it will operate the same (and of course alot faster) Unless what you were asking is if you could install it to a partition of a drive rather than using the entire HDD... in which case the answer is no because you need to restore the ISO to an entire volume rather than just pick out the partition within because you need the boot-loader... unless you add that yourself after. It's far easier to restore the ISO to an entire HDD, just use your external if your PC can boot from USB. 2. Windows XP and Vista use NTFS which OS X can natively read-only, you should be able to place the ISO anywhere on your NTFS windows disk... So burn your DVD, boot from it, run Disk-Utility, select your external drive for restore and locate the ISO from the internal NTFS drive to restore from... Unless their is equivalent disk cloning software for windows that can be trusted to restore ISOs bit-for-bit to a HDD then perhaps you can skip having to burn a the dvd... but using DiskUtility ASR is the most reliable option. 3. Your Optical Drive is broken? this is a bit of a complex workaround... would it not simply be easier to just borrow your mothers and put it in yours... or what might be easier is to temporarily put your internal HDD into your mothers computer to install OS X to then put it back into yours (make sure you disconnect your mothers Windows HDD... selecting the wrong HDD is too easy a mistake to make) Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/118350-one-small-question/#findComment-839340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickll9009 Posted July 31, 2008 Author Share Posted July 31, 2008 Thanks I get it now! The reason I am doing this is because my mom's computer is a desktop, and mine is a laptop Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/118350-one-small-question/#findComment-839563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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