globilux Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Hello all, If I have well understood, the Mac Pro (that machine interess me because, I can do a triple boot [legally]) is on socket 771. So, if I buy (from apple) a mother board (I don't know if I can), I could add a Xeon on it (and FB-DIMM) and I have an "apple machine" so I could legally install a triple boot. Is it right ? Thanks in advance for your answers Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 http://forum.insanelymac.com/index.php?showtopic=77290 search before posting? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-750424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
globilux Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 thanks hagar, but I haven't understood what motercard is used Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-750499 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Synaesthesia Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 OK, to explain, you are right. Except that Apple do not sell any motherboards like that. Only Mac Pro's. You can however buy a normal Intel socket 771 motherboard, and install OSX86. What I recommend though is you build just a Socket 775 Quad-Core computer, they are very fast on OS X. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-750506 Share on other sites More sharing options...
globilux Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 thanks Synaesthesia for this advice, but I want to build a PowerMac not a machine that I will install on a Hackintosh Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-750523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hagar Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 thanks hagar, but I haven't understood what motercard is used This One Best source is probably eBay, they are made by apple and not normally sold separately. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-750534 Share on other sites More sharing options...
globilux Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 This One Best source is probably eBay, they are made by apple and not normally sold separately. in fact, I want to create a business so I need some new products. It totaly impossible that I have a new mothercard ? Just by curiosity what is the moterboard card reference ? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-750589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x86now Posted May 18, 2008 Share Posted May 18, 2008 Its a lot more complicated than you realize I think. The motherboard should be about $480. Price out the memory risers - they don't come with the motherboard (about $80 each I think and you need 2). Can you source the Apple heat sinks? If not, will aftermarket ones fit? The Xeons are (brainlessly) placed close together so you might be rather limited in heat sink selection. Can you attach them easily to the motherboard? Do you have to modify the mounting hardware clips? Then there's the issue of that infernal power supply. About $300 and its VERY hard to get it much cheaper. It would be smart to find out the exact voltages the motherboard needs and mod a good ATX power supply. Good luck - that is closely guarded into. Maybe buy the thing on Ebay for about $250, measure the thing, then sell it again to get your money back. Then the cost of those pricey Xeon CPU's. Luckily the price of ram has plummeted but you'll still pay a premium for FB-Dimms instead of the dirt cheap 800mhz DDR-2 non-ECC ram that most of the thinking world uses. Its just a royal pain trying to duplicate all of the Mac Pro's idiocyncracies. FB-Dimms, Xeons, bizarre power supply, retarded, noisy case design that doesn't allow hot swapping of hard drives on eSata without buying an eSata card and opening the case (do they not realize the potential for video work with this thing?). Its not "Think Different". Its "Think Indifferent" - to the customer. Now instead of $480 for the motherboard, you buy a used 965 board for $40 that has Matrix Raid 0, up to 8gb 800mhz ram, firewire and 1 or 2 PCI-E x16 slots. Then a Core 2 Duo CPU that you overclock to over 3gbz for about $50. Get your 8gb of ram for about $150 used, 4 x 36gb 16mb cache WD Raptors for your OS and Apps for $30- $50 each, whatever video card you need for whatever gaming or HD video you do, etc, etc. And unless you've had a lobotomy, you'll spend about 20% of the total Apple would have wanted to rape you for. Then get a nice 24" true HD monitor ($220-250) with 2 x 17" LCD's in portrait mode (only $50-$70 each) running at 1024 x 1280 to keep your monitor height consistent. As long as Apple ignores the market demand, cloaking their uncompetitive hardware in proprietary marketing mumbo jumbo, why should we support such putrid design? Look at the benching sites and note how many of the top models (almost all of them, last time I looked) are Hackintoshes! We love the OS. The OS is the heart of Apple. Unfortunately Apple just doesn't see it that way. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-750775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
globilux Posted May 18, 2008 Author Share Posted May 18, 2008 I think you don't understand me x86 now, it's not a problem of money (just I don't want topay 2500 $ more). I have already a machine, 4 Gb RAM, 7 HDD, 1 DVD Burner, 1 dual core procesor of 2.8 Ghz ... I just want to create a programmers corporation (so I need triple boot to test applications), and I need legality (according to the apple license), and I couldn't let me buy a ocassion product (just new). Even the motherboard card cost 500 $, I don't matter, I want a mac (pro or not) but a desktop not a laptop. Are you sure mac doesn't support ECC modules, because ECC is just 150 $ the 2 Gb ? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-750860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
x86now Posted May 23, 2008 Share Posted May 23, 2008 > I think you don't understand me x86 now, it's not a problem of money (just I don't want to pay $2500 more). Then its still about money...... Otherwise $2500 wouldn't be a problem. > Even the motherboard card cost 500 $, I don't matter, I want a mac (pro or not) but a desktop not a laptop. Well from time to time mb's are available used. About $350. Then memory risers used would be about $100-120 a pair. Not sure how much ECC FB-Dimms are but probably about $40 a gig used So that's not bad. The power supply is a major pain. Hard to find anywhere. Count on $250-$300. Everything else I think is pretty generic. Some PC video cards work in Mac Pro's. So maybe $50-$100 for that. Then the Xeon CPU's. Maybe you could get one to start. Then the heatsinks. Any idea what kind will fit? What a pain using that motherboard. You can layout the parts in a much better way than the Mac Pro case. That thing will cost probably $300 as well. Ugh... Remember: Never use heated air to cool something. Stick with that premise and your design will be fine. Use slotted steel angle to hold everything together - especially the hard drives (very rigidly I might add.) You can mount that steel framing in a wood box with channels/ducts for the ram, CPU's, video card and hard drives. Then you will keep your sound level and heat to a minimum. Line the channels with sound aborbing material so you can run the fans higher with no noise. > Are you sure mac doesn't support ECC modules, because ECC is just 150 $ the 2 Gb ? I don't know where you're shopping. Perhaps www.ripoffs_R_us.com? Check completed items in Ebay for rock bottom prices. I'm pretty sure the Mac Pro motherboard has to have FB-Dimms (unfortunately of course.) It would be such an easy and cheap project if one didn't have to contend with that power supply and memory risers and Xeons and FB-Dimms. Someone really needs to figure out how to mod a PC ATX power supply to power that infernal Mac Pro motherboard. I wonder if a server power supply (that would be used to power the current 5000 series Intel motherboards) could do it for less cost. Another option is to take a dual core Intel Mini, put 2 x 2gb 667mhz ram (the dual cores will recognize 3gb but it will run in dual channel) in it, then upgrade the CPU as high as posisble. You'll have to use a different CPU heat sink of course. A video card model might fit. Run a full size 150gb 10k WD Raptor hard drive for better performance for your OS and apps with firewire handling your data. Or a 1tb 32mb Sata model. Use a male to female Sata cord to connect it direct. Just say no to pokey laptop 5400 rpm hard drives! Use a firewire DVD burner. OF course you'll run it without the top on. For the best cooling use a 120mm or 140mm fan at 7 volts without the plastic housing. Keeps things very quiet and cool. WAY cooler than stock. And WAY quieter. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/105515-building-your-own-mac/#findComment-755850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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