coolbgdog Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 today just a while ago I tried booting and it stayed at the grey apple screen and never moved on. Usually when I boot it takes like 30 seconds to boot then everything works but right now its not booting up. Only thing different I did today was use microsoft bootvis on my xp to optimize my xp boot time. I didnt change any hardware or nothing. I tried platform=x86pc which always work but right now isnt. I booted in -v mode and it kept saying some extensions itunes phonedriver failed or something then the screen turned blue and then when I hit enter it turned black and it said login in white text so I type my username for osx then it says password I type my password and then it says incorrect and it goes back to that same blue black loop asking for login saying "Darwin fatboi's computer local(off my mind). Any help? I cant get this to stop working as I didn't even get to use the ethernet card Im getting tomorow for it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Bear Helms Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 Insert the install DVD and boot that. Don't press any keys and see if it gets you into OS X. If it does, you can opt to "archive and install" OS X which should fix the problem. You'll need a spare couple gig on the OS X volume to do that. Boot the Installer DVD again and this time press F8 at the prompt, type platform=X86PC and continue. Then when you get to where you are choosing where to install OS X, use the options (customize) so you are performing an "archive and install" which will preserve your files and settings but put the naughty OS X in a folder (where you can delete it later if you want). Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61047 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbgdog Posted February 22, 2006 Author Share Posted February 22, 2006 Insert the install DVD and boot that. Don't press any keys and see if it gets you into OS X. If it does, you can opt to "archive and install" OS X which should fix the problem. You'll need a spare couple gig on the OS X volume to do that. Boot the Installer DVD again and this time press F8 at the prompt, type platform=X86PC and continue. Then when you get to where you are choosing where to install OS X, use the options (customize) so you are performing an "archive and install" which will preserve your files and settings but put the naughty OS X in a folder (where you can delete it later if you want). So if the first time I choose to archive and install osx. Then I got to do it a second time again? Well Im about to do it now thanks. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Bear Helms Posted February 22, 2006 Share Posted February 22, 2006 The first time if you just sit back and watch, it should boot the old OS X. This can be a temporary fix until you get tired of doing that. Later on you can press F8 and perform an archive and install OS X procedure, which should make the system bootable without the DVD in the drive. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61054 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbgdog Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 Okay I just tried it but I didnt press nothing and it came to the installer in whice I had to reinstall it but format it first. I chose disk utility and it just kept loading and I just manually rebooted. Osx didint just boot up but the installer did. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61065 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Bear Helms Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Don't use Disk Utility to change partitions - it will quietly wreck the whole hard disk making everything near to unbootable and files unfindable. Gotta love Apple engineering Disk Utility is only safe when erasing existing partitions. Or verifying, or checking/repairing permissions. Almost all its other functions have serious side effects. What the installer needs, and you may no longer have, is an OS X partition that is "active" - one of the tools everyone needs and many don't have is a bootable floppy or CD with a "fdisk" like utility. With sfdisk (or whatever you found), you can view the partitions, and set which of them are active. Only 1 is supposed to be active at a time. When the OS X installer boots, it looks for OS X active partitions and automatically boots them. If it can't find one, or what there exists active it can't read (like an XP partition), it will proceed with installation. You may have lost the OS X partition and have to erase and install at this point. After install is through, it should be able to boot OS X off the hard drive without the DVD inside. If you get inside OS X, the System Preferences has a "startup disk" settings icon on the bottom row. It should list Windows, and you can select that and restart to resume Windows operation. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61070 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbgdog Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 But it seems osx loads when I use -v mode. I just type my user name and pass but it says incorrect. So in other words I have to reinstall osx? But how did osx just "lose" itself like that? I was just using it this morning. On windows in computer management it shows the hd as active though. Oh well If I have to reinstall no prob though as I didnt do anything to it anyway. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Bear Helms Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 Ain't no rhyme or reason in developer releases - they're known to be buggy and the developers are told to not trust important computer data to machines running these releases of 10.4.3 or earlier. 10.4.4 is a retail release and there are patches and fixes, basically the 10.4.5 update - but this will re-establish your TPM lockup and re-encrypt some system resources, so you really do need to have a working 10.4.3 you can boot, plus whatever higher release OS with perhaps much more room to work with. OS X, like Windows, makes only partial changes to the hard drive as it operates. If it doesn't shut down in an orderly fashion, anything is at risk from bootup to system files to your applications and data. XP (Pro) offers a backup program that gives you an "ASR" floppy that is used to help rebuild the system, and from there a normal backup restore operation can proceed. This is your hedge against the partition, MBR, and other critical parts of the NTFS hard drive getting blown away. You can make a copy of a whole disk using Disk Utility - whether this can be burned directly to DVD I dunno. It can restore from DMG files to OS X partitions, so that seems to be Apple's basic backup and restore mechanism. Retrospect Express is favored for a more flexible and capable backup/restore setup. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolbgdog Posted February 23, 2006 Author Share Posted February 23, 2006 I just reinstalled osx and it works now. It took about an hour to install. I needed it to be here because tomorrow I should get my ethernet card I ordered with the realtek 8139d chipset. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
R. Bear Helms Posted February 23, 2006 Share Posted February 23, 2006 The ethernet drivers should be there and ready for you. Here's a somewhat lengthy backup procedure which actually isn't much of a time saver over re-installing... BUT if you start saving good data on the OS X system, definitely a good practice: 1) Have a drive that you can read/write using the Disk Utility from the OS X install DVD. This can be a Mac OS partition or a FAT32 dos-compatible one. However, FAT32 won't be easy to back up more than 4gb of data onto. 2) From Disk Utility on the install DVD, or if you have 2 OS X bootable partitions, use Disk Utility to make a compressed (default) disk volume backup onto a file you store on this roomy, backup partition. 3) When and if needed, use the Disk Utility either off the install DVD or the (still) working OS X bootable parition to restore the backup DMG you made of the volume you lost. There's some menu choice for checking to see if a volume is ready for restore. Do it that way. 4) If you get more seriously into OS X, look into a nicer utility. Apple provides one to .mac members, but it's not worth $100/yr. Some mac-compatible drive vendors (USB or Firewire) often include a copy of Retrospect Express, and this can backup and restore whole mac volumes quickly, as well as doing file, directory-level, and change-level backups. It's a very thorough solution. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/9774-problem-booting-osx-today-for-some-reason/#findComment-61189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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