projekt k Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 its a few questions... one how much of a difference is there? in your opinion really... also i was curious of whats a good i7 processor to over clock?? whats a good c2quad to over clock?? also how does over clocking work? is it in the bios? and how do u know what to overclock at and if its to high? or is it automatic? thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/154558-question-about-a-core-2-quad-vs-i7/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bit Shoveler Posted February 23, 2009 Share Posted February 23, 2009 This is going to sound cold, but... You need to do some homework on overclocking. It isn't even close to automatic! Core i7 is much faster clock-for-clock than Core 2 Quad, but for OSX86 use Core 2 Quad is more compatible. Core i7 (Socket 1366) motherboards are generally US$50-100 more expensive than Core 2 (Socket 775) for comparable features. There are lots of Core 2 Quad variants. What's your budget? IMHO best bang-for-buck for overclocking would be the Q9400, but you'll probably get lots of differing opinions on that. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/154558-question-about-a-core-2-quad-vs-i7/#findComment-1089458 Share on other sites More sharing options...
projekt k Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 yea i know nothing about over clocking. my budget on a comp is around 800 or less. im trying to do all of this including shipping and if i hae to taxes. may make some ebay purchases to avoid shipping prices and taxed. ill probabley end up getting a core 2 duo since my budget is low, but i plan on upgrading to core 2 quad or maybe extreme since im pretty sure the mobo im getting supports both. for now starting low with chip because i want a decent case and graphics card. how do core 2 duo's overclock? can i overclock just about any core to duo around 2.8 to 3 GHz? anyways thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/154558-question-about-a-core-2-quad-vs-i7/#findComment-1089673 Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 yea i know nothing about over clocking. my budget on a comp is around 800 or less. im trying to do all of this including shipping and if i hae to taxes. may make some ebay purchases to avoid shipping prices and taxed. ill probabley end up getting a core 2 duo since my budget is low, but i plan on upgrading to core 2 quad or maybe extreme since im pretty sure the mobo im getting supports both. for now starting low with chip because i want a decent case and graphics card. how do core 2 duo's overclock? can i overclock just about any core to duo around 2.8 to 3 GHz? anyways thanks That $800 budget, does that include monitor, keyboard and mouse? Or are we just talking the computer itself? Cause with $800 to spend on just the computer itself, there is no reason that you can't go Quad. Assuming $800 for the pc itself, here is a good build using socket 775: Gigabyte GA-EP45-UD3P motherboard- $134.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16813128358 PNY Nvidia 9500GT video card - $69.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16814133230 Intel Q9400 Quad Core CPU - $229.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16819115131 OCZ 4 GB DDR2 1066 ram - 47.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16820227362 500 GB Western Digital SATA Hard drive - $64.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16822136073 Samsung 22x DVDRW drive - $24.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16827151171 Antec NSK4480B ATX case with 380 watt PSU - $74.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16811129032 --- Total $648 As you can see it comes in a good bit under your budget. With the left over money you have some options in case you are interested in some upgrades. You can bump up the ram from 4 gigs to 8 gigs. Perhaps need a faster video card. Maybe more hard drive space. The hardware list I layed out will give you a very fast, very compatible Mac running a vanilla kernel. Other than a few modded kexts files, its completely stock install of Leopard. Plus it will be faster than any Apple made machine you can buy other than the 8 core Mac Pro. Should be very comparable to the current 4 core (2.8GHz) Mac Pro. I run an almost identical setup (different case and 750 gig HD) with the dual core e5200 overclocked to 3.33GHz on this same motherboard. Its fast. Very fast. My next upgrade will be most likely going to the Q9400. Its a great chip that runs relatively cool (in comparison to the Q6600). Bottom line is that less than $800 can certainly build you a very capable machine. Ohhh, and since this motherboard is such an overclocking champ, you should be able to easily see 3 to 3.2 GHz out of that Q9400. Perhaps much higher by simply replacing the stock heatsink/fan combo with a better aftermarket product. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/154558-question-about-a-core-2-quad-vs-i7/#findComment-1090321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
projekt k Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 nope not including monitor, i have extras. and i have one extra keyboard and usb mouse i can use that i ahve from my second computer that doesnt get used. is that all i need, sounds like a good build and saves me time with my lack of knowledge. i want to do a retail instal on this. I'd like to avoid hacked versions. Nothing against them really just want to use retail thats all. ive already downloaded the retail dvds, which includes iwork and ilife and the newest osx. can i do online updates? or do i have to download updates from cracked sources. I know mac frowns upon hackintosh so id like to avoid authentic mac issues. if they even exist. Sounds like a good build, can I overclock right away or do i need a better power supply. Will that power supply be enough? i was thinkin of goin 500 watts. thanks Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/154558-question-about-a-core-2-quad-vs-i7/#findComment-1090797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
broken Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 nope not including monitor, i have extras. and i have one extra keyboard and usb mouse i can use that i ahve from my second computer that doesnt get used. is that all i need, sounds like a good build and saves me time with my lack of knowledge. i want to do a retail instal on this. I'd like to avoid hacked versions. Nothing against them really just want to use retail thats all. ive already downloaded the retail dvds, which includes iwork and ilife and the newest osx. can i do online updates? or do i have to download updates from cracked sources. I know mac frowns upon hackintosh so id like to avoid authentic mac issues. if they even exist. Sounds like a good build, can I overclock right away or do i need a better power supply. Will that power supply be enough? i was thinkin of goin 500 watts. thanks Yep, online updates work fine. A great guide for this motherboard is here: http://auzigog.com/2008/12/23/hackintosh-20/ I have referred many folks to it. Its a completely Vanilla install with a just a couple modded kext files for hardware support. Vanilla kernel and all. You boot from a Grub-dfe disc, swap out to your retail Leopard disc and install away. As far as overclocking right away, you should be able to get a modest bump using the stock heatsink/fan combo. Probably 2.8 to 3.0 GHz without much trouble. Perhaps even 3.2 GHz. But even without OC'ng, the machine is going to be seriously fast. That stock 380 watt PSU included with the Antec case is a really great budget power supply. Since its a "80 Plus" rated unit, its more efficient so it should runner cooler while demanding less power from your outlet. A more efficient overall design. No need for a 500+ watt power supply unless you have a really highend video card or running a bunch of hard drives. But there's nothing stopping you from substituting out the case and power supply for different units. If its in your budget, I can recommend these: Antec 300 case - $49.95 - I use this case and its an excellent value. Lots of cooling potential to help keep your system cool. Would come in handy for overclocking. They offer a combo with a discounted Rosewill power supply. Don't get it, its a junk power supply. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...Tpk=Antec%20300 Corsair 450watt Power supply - $79.99 - Corsair for several years has been one of the top enthusiast vendors because they make quality products at reasonable prices. $80 for a 450 watt power supply might sound expensive but when you consider its rated for 33 amps on the +12 volt rail (which in modern PC's is what matters), it can deliver real juice for hungry video cards and multiple hard drives. Bottom line is that you pay for quality and Corsair delivers it. If I had the cash and needed a new psu, I would almost certainly go with Corsair. They play second fiddle to just about no one. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx...N82E16817139003 But, there are other vendors of PSU's that might offer you better values. Other solid brands are OCZ, BFG, Antec, Enermax, Seasonic, Xigmatek. A solid power supply will cost you some money. Basically skip any power supply that claims 600 watts for only $30. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/154558-question-about-a-core-2-quad-vs-i7/#findComment-1091107 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattrb Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 Core i7 is much faster clock-for-clock than Core 2 Quad, but for OSX86 use Core 2 Quad is more compatible. Unless, you referring to using Voodoo kernel over Vanilla(which there virtually is no difference), then you are certainly wrong on this comment. I have i7 and it work flawlessly. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/154558-question-about-a-core-2-quad-vs-i7/#findComment-1091355 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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