Vista Won't Boot On 32-bit Intel Macs?

Cr#p.

Probably means microsoft is keen to keep making money from Virtual PC so hopefully there will be an intel compatible version released soon - or vmware would be nice.

Kind of annoying. Now I'll be more inclined to build a custom machine of components compatible with osx86 so I can dualboot. Ergo my mac-buying plans are on hold at the moment.

couldn't you just take the EFI boot file from the beta?

couldn't you just take the EFI boot file from the beta?

No, the efi file in the beta is unfinished and does not work yet. Without source code, finishing it would be almost impossible.

One more feature gets axed from Longshot, er.. Vista.

Can someone concisely explain why an EFI Compatibility Support Module (CSM) that provides "legacy BIOS emulation" will not solve the problem?

Or is the problem that such an EFI CSM is just not availible to the community?

Can someone concisely explain why an EFI Compatibility Support Module (CSM) that provides "legacy BIOS emulation" will not solve the problem?

 

Or is the problem that such an EFI CSM is just not availible to the community?

That's largely it, Apple simply didn't build it in. They don't need to support BIOS. It might make the custom Apple startup less stable/less secure, etc... they just had no incentive to make the effort.

=)

Apple and Microsoft not working together? This actually is the result of them working together perfectly, but not for us, for themselves.

I guess this is the true result of their 5 year commitment to eachother.

Apple and Microsoft not working together? This actually is the result of them working together perfectly, but not for us, for themselves.

 

I guess this is the true result of their 5 year commitment to eachother.

There's only one target market for 32-bit EFI-only systems at this time... Mac users!

Why on earth would Microsoft deny thousands of sales to these users over a matter of simply finishing an existing project? They are willing to rebuild VPC from the ground up, but not finish a simple EFI module? ("simple" by comparison only, I realize it might not be as easy as I think.)

Unless this is just another sign of MS delay of Vista... Not enough engineers to finish it.

=)

In the begining we were promised many new innovations, technologies, and features that would make vista "the biggest windows upgrade since 3.1 to 95" In the end all it shall be is windows xp + more bugs. Thanks microsoft... According to tomshardware guide here Support of EFI has been completely dropped. It will not be supported at all, not in 32bit or 64bit versions. No EFI for us

stupid microsoft

Why would u want to dual boot when you can just use OS X? Windows is sooooooo awful. It's not a case of needing to work on both on one machine - anyone working with Windows exclusively will just be left behind by the end of 2007. Security, stability, graphics in relation to usage, facilities, quality of apps OS X wins always!

The fact that this site exists is testament to the power of OS X as an Operating System - You wanted it, didn't want to pay for the machine - you got it.

It's that good

xx

editopen, this isn't about commentary on whether you like windows or not. If some people want to boot windows on their Apple machines and are willing to put in the time and effort, let them. It's thier own business. But personally I can see people finding use in one machine, as opposed to two, that can be used to run Mac apps as well as the tons of apps that only work in Windows.

Now back on topic...

The "Mac Pro" (PowerMac replacement) is basically targeted at Apple customers who want real power and performance and aren't looking so much for the compact designs of the iMac, MacBook, and MacBook Pro. They aren't going to use a Core Duo, but instead will most likely have a high-end Intel chip that has 64-bit processing.

I wouldn't give up and loose faith just yet. Although it's true that Vista won't boot on any current Intel Mac machines, Apple has yet to put its heavy-weight machine into the ring.

They are willing to rebuild VPC from the ground up, but not finish a simple EFI module? ("simple" by comparison only,=)

who says they will release another version of VPC ?

maybe they wont or will wait for a year ir 2 to release it.

maybe the issue is more this

if MS makes it easy to get there OS on a macbook or whatever then sales for apple may go nuts.. they may be worried that apple in the end will take the sales away from them as windows users go wow i really like OSX better now i have used it for a while nicer slicker maybe runs faster than Vista.. I am sure there is more going on here than meets the eye in MS's strategy.

Umm... XP on an x86 iMac:

The forum post: http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=64

The photo proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32436196@N00

Umm... XP on an x86 iMac:

 

The forum post: http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=64

The photo proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32436196@N00

too bad this image's screen looks superimposed (and why won't the guy release video unless another $1000 is offered?):

The CSM has always been apart of EFI since MS and Intel released the first consumer PC with EFI that boots windows. (Gateway 610 Media Center).

Apple left it out and thats why MS said

"As it pertains to Intel Macs running EFI, at this time Windows will not support native EFI boot until these systems have 64-bit capable processors. Windows XP will boot under EFI when a Compatibility Support Module (CSM) is present,"

http://www.betanews.com/article/Microsoft_...Macs/1142024270</a>

It's a real shame that one person alone did it - it should have been a team effort - but i suppose when working with microsoft software u should act like microsoft

I don't know whether i believe it tho

Umm... XP on an x86 iMac:

 

The forum post: http://forum.onmac.net/showthread.php?t=64

The photo proof: http://www.flickr.com/photos/32436196@N00

Who needs vista when we have XP? That will do very nicely thank you very much. As soon as his solution is verifyed....I will buy a mac book pro.

Why would u want to dual boot when you can just use OS X?

hmm.. a big reason I haven't left XP, is the whole unibin factor. the whole reason i wanted a mac was for recording music, and image editing. None of the products I use wont be ported for awhile. So why not dual boot for the time being?? sounds good to me!!

Lets say we got Vista up and running on a Mac. With all this new hardware coming out thats "Vista Ready" do you think an Apple computer would hold up for Vista? I doubt it wont, but its something to think about. With all the hurdel's us PC users have had to jump to get OS X working with hundreds of hardware combinations, I'm not surprised its going to be any easier the other way around.

Also, If MS had made Vista easy to install on a Mac, wouldn't they have had to support it?

as I posted above (some of you seem to not be in the habit of reading all the posts) Microsoft will not support EFI in vista AT ALL. Not in it's 64bit versions either.

Microsoft had initially said that it would support the technology for 64-bit systems, but decided to make the changes because there will be too few 64-bit processors in the market when Windows Vista ships later this year.

 

"A combination of factors changed our plans," Microsoft development manager Andrew Ritz said in a session at the Intel Developer Forum in San Francisco, according to APCmag.com.

 

"The big one, in my opinion, was platform availability. With this huge move to 64-bit based platforms and for us to support it, we needed to see a large heterogeneous sample of 64-bit implementations out there for us to feel comfortable in supporting it."

Funny that they'll support both intels and amds 64bit instruction set but not EFI on 64bit systems because there arent enough 64 bit systems out there... yeah I dont buy that excuse. They're simply afraid that if people can dual boot mac os and windows then people will gradually shift over to mac os and they'll lose market share.

The entire article is here

Dear dponmac (on pg1)

yes, UniBin is a real reason i suppose - hadn't really thought about it, I was just sounding off

But i have a MacBookPro that is running PhotoshopCS2 with Rosetta - and i use it semi-proffesionally in my web work and i have to say i think it is faster than on the Dual G4 1.2 i used to use at work.

Since I got the MacBook, lots of apps have come out as UniBin - but u are right, the lack of native AdobeCS is a pain when you've spent all that cash. No Logic or FCP either as I had a cracked versions on my PPC.

I think it would be serously ironic if Maxxuss hacked Vista to make it boot on a Mac

i would use xp for games. thats the only reason why i want the dual boot. Xp has really started to {censored} me off, and that macbook pro looks pretty tasty....*gargle*

my school's tech guy got a macbook pro over the weekend, i saw it today. simply amazing, and would be all the more with the ability to play COD2 and HL2.

[disregard further post, i was misinformed]

I think it would be serously ironic if Maxxuss hacked Vista to make it boot on a Mac

Please!!!

The VNUnet article is terribly written. Supposedly Microsoft plans to possibly add EFI support for 64-bit at a later date (SP1?).