Apple Sues Psystar for Copyright Infringement

Atleast we know this community is safe, who here wouldn't buy an actual mac if they could, I mean we use the official DVDs (so no profit loss for apple there) and the majority of people here save up and buy macs eventually, those who haven't thought of it probably will eventually, a good deal of us even already own macs; if anything the idea of OS X on a PC is so alien that people seeing it will get it fairly deep into their heads and is thusly free advertising for apple. So really it's not like we break any rules, other than the EULA, but I can't see them chasing any of us on that; we make no profit, we even make them profit and save them deveplopmental costs (I'm sure if Apple asked for anything that came out of this community it would be handed to them on a silver platter. =D)

Actually, what I was referring to was Apple's inability to open their OS up due to restrictions placed on them during the bailout by M$ several years ago, not by any inherent desire to keep the profits high. If they COULD open it up, it would be devastating to M$, and would be fantastic for the consumer.

I had not heard this. Where can I find out more?

well Apple's just retarded. even if they have a great operating system, Mac OS X, the people are dumb. how come Microsoft allowed mac users to install the Windows Operating System on non Windows-based systems LEGALLY and Apple doesnt like installing Mac OS X on non Apple hardware? thats unfair!

Business != Fairness - that's just a fact of life.

It's much easier to understand when you ARE the business than it is when you are the consumer. That's the big issue many of us (software developers) have with open source - it's a great concept, and fantastic when you don't have a budget for a large in-house coding and testing staff... but if you do have that budget, and you have spent millions in R&D, it's pretty frustrating to have everyone yell 'unfair' when you want to keep the code you financed in your own pocket.

Also, with the exception of Zune, XBOX, etc... Microsoft makes their money off the software primarily... so as long as you bought it... they don't care what you install it on. Apple (contrary to popular opinion around this site) also makes money on the software - but not primarily.. it's secondary to their hardware and service offerings. Essentially the software is the reason they can compel the consumer to pay too much for something they could otherwise have for less. The quality of hardware design and the uniqueness of the software are the 'hook' to keep you coming back and buying more of it. That's also why the hardware is designed to be much less upgradeable than a PC - and Apple branded upgrades are a huge markup compared to the base priced systems... because those base models will get replaced much sooner - thus causing higher sales than a simple MB/CPU/Video upgrade would represent.

My PC runs as fast as anything Dell is currently selling... but I never have to spend more than a few hundred to achieve that... because I can incrementally upgrade only the components that are out of date. Try that with an iMac

Let us remember Psystar as "The small company with Big Balls."

It was fun trying the 'Hackintosh' route just to try the OSX system without having to commit by buying an Apple product.

 

When all is said and done, I'm sticking with Microsoft and Vista and XP.

 

Somehow whenever I was on the OSX system, I felt like I was driving a computer with training wheels attached.

I feel the same way. but does that mean that it is not a kickass fast computer. it's like a little kid that u have to take care of. but has superpowers........

p.s. I was a fast bad ass beast in training wheels.....

Oh ya about the topic..

Apple will not win.. and if they do it will be very difficult and apple does not have the perserverance to take them on.

On a business stand point, it is great for Apple. I know I would personally try to do the same. It is a good way to control one's product and profit in a country were capitalism rules supreme. But it does reflect the ideals of a monopolist entity, which we all know does not benefit the consumer and the government will eventually intervene...

The government will not intervene because Apple isn't really a monopoly. There are other computer manufacturers - there are other OS manufactures. Apple isn't being anti-competitive in any way to these other companies. They aren't unfairly trying to drive them out of business. They just make products, other companies are free to make products too. They don't have to sell them separately. No one can force GM to sell cars and steering wheels separate, even if people wanted them to and other companies were doing it.

how come Microsoft allowed mac users to install the Windows Operating System on non Windows-based systems LEGALLY

First, Intel processors were "Windows-based" - hence the expression "Wintel."

Microsoft does not make computers. Their whole business model is making an OS to be installed on somebody else's computer hardware. Apple's business model is the opposite.

and Apple doesnt like installing Mac OS X on non Apple hardware? thats unfair!

Because Apple sells an integrated environment. I can assure you the ability to install Windows on current Macs was merely a bi-product of the current Intel architecture already being so Windows-centric. Now that Apple has helped Intel break free of that model, expect to see more MacBook Air / iPhone-like devices from Apple and Intel, where the OS and the hardware become even more close. And Windows compatibility will eventually fall by the wayside as there will be no Windows driver for the next big thing from Apple.

Mark my words. Apple will attempt to change the face of computing yet again, aren't and they going to do it with the old-fashioned "build your own computer from parts" model. Expect more MacBook Air and less Mac Pro. I'm surprised they haven't stopped selling their Cinema Displays yet. (Why haven't they updated them recently?) Non-integrated displays are so 1990's.

Actually, what I was referring to was Apple's inability to open their OS up due to restrictions placed on them during the bailout by M$ several years ago, not by any inherent desire to keep the profits high. If they COULD open it up, it would be devastating to M$, and would be fantastic for the consumer. Apple would sell OSX like hotcakes.

As they are selling their product for profit without license by Apple? Hmmmm

Interesting I've have no read about that bailout before. Can you give some links with more about that deal?

Interesting I've have no read about that bailout before. Can you give some links with more about that deal?

Read: http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/cyberspace/...apple_8-6a.html

It was like a 10-year deal I think. It expired, but Microsoft agreed to continue making Office for Mac. It does continue to make them money.

I don't think there were any restrictions though. The move to Intel in 2006 would have been a problem if there had been.

I had not heard this. Where can I find out more?

Around the time Steve Jobs returned to Apple, Apple had faced the attack of the clones. It nearly bankrupted Apple. Steve being the quick witted lad he is called uncle Bill. Uncle Bill bought 100 non-voting shares of Apple and made his geeks conjoured Bill and Steve's love child: Internet Explorer for Mac. During that time, Steve announced it at MacWorld, and Bill was on the big screen. He was boo'd crazy for that, and Uncle Bill promised MS Office would be updated more regularly on the Mac too.

That sums it up.

Let us remember Psystar as "The small company with Big Balls."

indeed... And let us bow our heads and prey.

"lord, please guide my sweet righteous hand of justice to give it a perfect bitchslap unto rudy's face so he will know to never release a product before consulting a lawyer. "

he could at least called his hackintosh an open computer since day one and spent more time testing than weekend and a bag of pot. seriously, psystar fails 2 fold, they called it the open mac on opening day, and the guy diddnt chill out with it long enough to see the fans were to freaking loud and they let the phones ring to much. they needed to be more prepared for this kinda ballsy {censored}, it amazes me they built a server. from what i understand a os x 10.5x server is not a very supported hackintoshing.

Good luck to all with our franken boxen

Dr. D

Finally...

As much as I love that Mac OS can be ran on hardware other than Apple's own stuff, doesn't mean it sits well with me that someone should be able to sell hardware as "Mac Ready". Every time I see someone make money using OS X86, I feel like they're taking advantage of the community and the resources. Now if they were to donate some of the profits....

Let us remember Psystar as "The small company with Big Balls."

And probably black and blue balls at the end of this!

Somehow whenever I was on the OSX system, I felt like I was driving a computer with training wheels attached.

That's always normal when you're so used to your previous system. Applies to almost everything.

I think if I moved from my piece of {censored} GM Cavalier to a BMW it would seem pretty weird too. (You know, all those "training wheel" type features: auto windows, voice activation, independent heading/cooling zones, ....)

Pretty sure after I while I would discover it was a better automobile.

Atleast we know this community is safe, who here wouldn't buy an actual mac if they could

/me raises hand

Not me. I need to do 1 thing and 1 thing only on Mac OS and that's because Windows is borked when it comes to firewire. Other than that 1 thing I find OSX inferior to XP. Vista is the bottom of the barrel, though, so maybe one day in the future I will prefer an Apple OS to Windows, but for me that day isn't here yet.

i hope apple destroys pystar. its one thing to have a small group of hobbyists sharing information and homebrew drivers like insanelymac, Its another thing entirely to have some sleazy scumbag ripping off everyone who has contributed here by profiting from everyones hard work.

I hope apple ruin this guy, I hope he loses everything he owns and his girl dumps him and his dog bites him in the balls.

I personally hope Apple loses. Their operating system is a closed and restricted piece of software that "should" only run on their hardware.

Do you actually realize what would happen if Apple started selling OS X that would run on a PC? They'd lose 70% of customers, who just couldn't afford Macs! Then they'd bankrupt and you wouldn't have any updates.

It was fun trying the 'Hackintosh' route just to try the OSX system without having to commit by buying an Apple product.

 

When all is said and done, I'm sticking with Microsoft and Vista and XP.

 

Somehow whenever I was on the OSX system, I felt like I was driving a computer with training wheels attached.

Them's fightin' words 'round these parts.

I may be the only one who says that, but...

THANK GOD! YES! YES! YES!

Apple is selling people 350$ worth of hardware for 1500$. I wouldn't want to give up those kinds of margins either. I wonder why anyone thought/hoped they'd turn a blind eye...

Peter R.

Do you actually realize what would happen if Apple started selling OS X that would run on a PC? They'd lose 70% of customers, who just couldn't afford Macs! Then they'd bankrupt and you wouldn't have any updates.

You're forgetting that Apple Inc is no longer Apple Computers Inc. Their profit from the Macintosh lineup is minute in comparison to what they make off of the iPod, iPhone, and iTunes lineups among other things.

Apple is selling people 350$ worth of hardware for 1500$. I wouldn't want to give up those kinds of margins either. I wonder why anyone thought/hoped they'd turn a blind eye...

Whoever gave you those statistics is an idiot. The Mac Mini is about $100 more than it should be, the MacBook and MacBook Pro are on par with PC vendors' notebooks, the iMac is cheaper than competitors' all-in-ones, the MacBook Air is about $300 overpriced, and the Mac Pro is about $900 more than the PC equivalent (except Dell, which is equally priced).

Psystar can go to hell.

Thank goodness Apple is finally filing the suit. Sure, I want generic Macs just like everyone else, but I can't trust a company like Psystar to lead the way.

Psystar can go to hell.

 

Thank goodness Apple is finally filing the suit. Sure, I want generic Macs just like everyone else, but I can't trust a company like Psystar to lead the way.

And based purely on your post, I'm going to donate $ to Psystar's fighting fund. Thanks for the incentive, REVENGE.

Be sure to let us know when you find the company that meets your stringent trust requirements that qualify to "lead the way" to generic Macs.

Going to be great to watch, wonder how it's going to spin out.

It has finally come to be, Apple has filed suit against the Psystar corporation for copyright infringement, trademark infringement, and for violation of it's license. That all happened on July 3rd. The picture below has all the allegations against Psystar.

What do you think will happen to Psystar? Tell us in the comments!

 

 

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Numberzz, Can you create a survey? Ok in the story it mentions that Apple argues their OS is an upgrade to existing OS and not a full version. My thoughts are this, though Psystar is not my favorite company, where would they get a full version?

Where would any one of us get a full version?

In the survey I'd like to see is anyone would pay ~$329 (or the international equivalent) for a full version of MacOS if it meant we could install it on any piece of hardware. I would pay that, upgrades would only be ~$129 (or the international equivalent) but Apple gets their kickback for the OS to shut them up. I love the OS, but I am a hobbyist and would like a little control over the hardware I use. That's all I am saying.

So would anyone else be willing to pay an extra fee for a legit full version copy of Mac OS?

Numberzz, Can you create a survey? Ok in the story it mentions that Apple argues their OS is an upgrade to existing OS and not a full version. My thoughts are this, though Psystar is not my favorite company, where would they get a full version?

 

Where would any one of us get a full version?

I think Apple is trying to say the EFI that's on a Mac is part of the OS. Of course that's a guess, but it's the only thing that's not on the cd.

Psystar sucks! No doubt, Apple is going to be on the warpath now. Wait for the legal bombs to start falling on the hackintosh community. There is one thing you can bet on and that is Steve's big head and large ego. If he feels he is being made a {censored}, then he will figure out a way to "F" you back; otherwise, he wouldn't have the reputation he is now famous for. All you hackers better watch your back once he gets started.

I think Apple is trying to say the EFI that's on a Mac is part of the OS. Of course that's a guess, but it's the only thing that's not on the cd.

Yes, the EFI belongs to Apple and that is why there is a copyright and license violation.