Understanding the difference between the osx86 releases

[dalandau]

Hi,

 

Im a bit confused and I guess others are too.

 

 

 

 

What is the difference between the different releases (Toh,Iatkos,Kalyway,Brazilmac ...)

 

What is the difference between the Kernels.

 

What is the difference between other things I and others should know about.

 

 

Thank you

 

 

Ps: I normaly dont ask questions because that answer is always around somewhere. But I couldnt find this one.

 

Ps2: And I thought choosing the right Linux distribution was confusing.

[abhi262]

AFAIK, the different releases provide different things.for example, certain releases will be that of leopard version 10.5.0 and others, a pre-patched 10.5.1 - to save people the hassle of upgrading. the Brazilmac method on the other hand does not involve downloading an entire disk but rather using an official retail disk and then patching it yourself. doing this helps to keep the vanilla kernel (the kernel that comes on the retail disk). doing this allows your computer to run os x with stuff that more closely resmbles a real mac. this should help reduce problems with certain applications and/or improve performance. other kernels, such as the ToH kernel are modified to run on non-mac hardware so people without intel chipsets in their motherboards or people with AMD processors. in my experiences, these modified kernels work better with less patching required. anyway, the version you use depends on the system you are running it on. if you have hardware that resembles a real mac, the vanilla kernel and the Brazilmac method should do fine. on the other hand, if it doesn't, or you are not sure, i strongly reccomend the ToH DVD. one final thing is that the iAKTOS version is a much smaller download, so it is the way for people with slow internet or strict download limits however, it requires a bit more patching and this often means the use of terminal and some basic moving and deleting commands. there are a lot of guides to help you there though installers such as the aforementioned ToH and kalyway versions tend to require much less patching and provide a much smoother installation at the price of a bigger file. Hope this helps!

[dalandau]

Thank you.

 

But I think it would be nice if someone would post a list of the releases and explenation.

[dalandau]

Ill be selfish now:

 

What is best on a centrino 1.6 notebook with Intel 82852/82855 grafics Intel PRO/Wireless 2200GB.

and ac97 sound and 1gb ram

[dalandau]

pls help me

[BartNijland]

Well, if I were you.. I would start with Mac OS X Tiger. Try some releases, why don't you begin with the JaS PPF1+PPF2 release.

[dalandau]

why? what is the reason?

 

Isnt 10.5 as heavy on the system as 10.4? But just better?

 

Or is the reason that the osx86 10.5 releases arent as stable as 10.5 because they are too young?

 

Thank you.

 

Ps: anyone else pls give me your opinion

[S.SubZero]

Thank you.

 

But I think it would be nice if someone would post a list of the releases and explenation.

 

That's pretty arrogant. Would you like a back massage and your dinner spoon-fed to you while someone studies the code and gets every tiny little change?

 

This ain't a spectator sport sir. You wanna see the differences, you install, and you see the differences. Or you could also just browse the forum, as people discuss the differences on occasion.

[dalandau]

That's pretty arrogant. Would you like a back massage and your dinner spoon-fed to you while someone studies the code and gets every tiny little change?

 

This ain't a spectator sport sir. You wanna see the differences, you install, and you see the differences. Or you could also just browse the forum, as people discuss the differences on occasion.

 

You missunderstood I think, I was just asking what is what and what works where because ive been looking around for 3 weeks now and I couldnt find any information about it and i normally find everything and never ask a question. But that piece of info is missing. So I cant find it. If you know where I can find an explenation about the releases it would be nice if you would post a link

thank you

[hecker]

You missunderstood I think, I was just asking what is what and what works where because ive been looking around for 3 weeks now and I couldnt find any information about it and i normally find everything and never ask a question. But that piece of info is missing. So I cant find it. If you know where I can find an explenation about the releases it would be nice if you would post a link

thank you

 

The first reply to your post was pretty clear to me. Why don't you just download the thing and actually give it a try?

[dalandau]

wich one? Toh or Kalyway or Iatkos? I am trying to download for 3 weeks now.

The toh i downloaded at first was corrupted couldnt burn. Now THEN WHEN LOOKING FOR IT I did discover Kalyway and then when reading about it I heard of Iatkos. And now people told me about tiger

 

Im confused , Sorry

[dalandau]

By this I realy want to thank ssubzero and hecker for destroying my topic.

 

I thought it would be a nice idea and very helpfull to have the information in one topic about the releases.

 

I started this topic as a general one that is suposed to help people to chose between the different releases.

 

PS: if you dont want to help shut your mouth

 

PS2: Now im rude

[ToP]

In my opinion i think you should run Windows instead.

 

If you can't download a file and don't have the interesst to test things out and try, hackintosh is not for you.

 

Im just beeing honest here.

[YoYelloW]

if u want to be helpfull, try all teh releases yourself and note the difference between them all, noone but yourself destroyed this thread anyway.

 

if u wanna try os x, go get jas as mentioned before, or download kalyway or iatkos. read guides on howto and dont ask questions which are allready answered on this forum or are plain rude or stupid.

[BJMoose]

@Dalandau: this forum has changed tremendously over the last few months and I suspect you and others are feeling the frustration from some of the folks who really want to see this hobby flourish by helping others who genuinely want to understand what OSX86 is all about and how it works. There's an old saying, "You can give someone a fish and s/he'll eat today. You can teach someone how to fish and s/he'll eat everyday." This forum always used to be about teaching how to fish. Now it seems to be overrun by folks who only want to be 'given the fish'. We've been seeing literally hundreds of the exact same requests within just a couple of days...often on the same page of the forum.

 

What used to be an 'enthusiasts' site has been turning into one where some people are now actually offering money for someone to just come in and do all the work for them. So that's where the frustration comes from.

 

Now as far as some of the advice you've gotten, it's actually quite good. No one can tell you exactly which release is best for you because no one knows how much you want to do to get the purest Leopard system you can get. I personally don't use any of the current releases (although I've tried them all out of curiosity). I use the actual retail disk with only a couple of very minor tweaks. There's no better way to learn for yourself than to download as many versions as you can (I know that can take some time) and try them. Figure out what problems you're having and then ask very specific question on the forum.

 

If you skip the 'disk check' thing at the beginning of the install, it only takes about 15-20 minutes to fully install OSX...far faster than Windows. And there are some tricks (like learning how to install it from a hard drive) that knock the time down to between 5-6 minutes. I think the person who suggested looking at Tiger first was hinting at this. OSX86 Tiger is the grass roots of OSX86 Leopard, so much can be learned by going back to the beginning. There are a lot of great tutorials there that explain things like the need to add certain kext files and how to edit certain things. The Leopard side of this forum is kind of like OSX86 level2 and it assumes you know some of the stuff from level1.

 

Sorry for the rambling, but I just thought I would try to explain some of the stuff that's going on here. That being said, this forum also never used to be about all the personal attacks and bleeped out language we've been seeing over the last few months. There's no excuse for that no matter how frustrated we might be.

[Coelacanth]

@Dalandau: this forum has changed tremendously over the last few months and I suspect you and others are feeling the frustration from some of the folks who really want to see this hobby flourish by helping others who genuinely want to understand what OSX86 is all about and how it works. There's an old saying, "You can give someone a fish and s/he'll eat today. You can teach someone how to fish and s/he'll eat everyday." This forum always used to be about teaching how to fish. Now it seems to be overrun by folks who only want to be 'given the fish'. We've been seeing literally hundreds of the exact same requests within just a couple of days...often on the same page of the forum.

 

What used to be an 'enthusiasts' site has been turning into one where some people are now actually offering money for someone to just come in and do all the work for them. So that's where the frustration comes from.

 

Now as far as some of the advice you've gotten, it's actually quite good. No one can tell you exactly which release is best for you because no one knows how much you want to do to get the purest Leopard system you can get. I personally don't use any of the current releases (although I've tried them all out of curiosity). I use the actual retail disk with only a couple of very minor tweaks. There's no better way to learn for yourself than to download as many versions as you can (I know that can take some time) and try them. Figure out what problems you're having and then ask very specific question on the forum.

 

If you skip the 'disk check' thing at the beginning of the install, it only takes about 15-20 minutes to fully install OSX...far faster than Windows. And there are some tricks (like learning how to install it from a hard drive) that knock the time down to between 5-6 minutes. I think the person who suggested looking at Tiger first was hinting at this. OSX86 Tiger is the grass roots of OSX86 Leopard, so much can be learned by going back to the beginning. There are a lot of great tutorials there that explain things like the need to add certain kext files and how to edit certain things. The Leopard side of this forum is kind of like OSX86 level2 and it assumes you know some of the stuff from level1.

 

Sorry for the rambling, but I just thought I would try to explain some of the stuff that's going on here. That being said, this forum also never used to be about all the personal attacks and bleeped out language we've been seeing over the last few months. There's no excuse for that no matter how frustrated we might be.

 

Very well said, BJMoose!!

 

If you want to learn it, try it. Then you start asking questions coz it's hard to explain things when you don't really know what's happening. I downloaded BrazilMac, iAtkos and Kalyway and started testing it on my system. It's all about learning "how to fish", and not depending on other people for the fish. to the person who started this forum, try it first before being rude to the people who are trying to help answer your questions. The question you've asked, i've read in this forum before, you probably aint patient enough to digg in to the forum coz you want immediate answer. What would be next, you want a faster installation??? In my experience, i had a week of almost no sleep because of the trial and error i am doing on my system (imagine 20-30mins installation, then 20 mins to wait for you to just run the patch, and after the long wait, it will not work...whew!)

 

Try it first, then tell us what you think.

 

Coelacanth

[Headrush69]

Very well said, BJMoose!!

Agreed and well said BJMoose.

 

I was starting to think maybe I was just getting grumpy and easily irritated in my old age but good to see someone else noticed the change.

[BJMoose]

Agreed and well said BJMoose.

 

I was starting to think maybe I was just getting grumpy and easily irritated in my old age but good to see someone else noticed the change.

Thanks Headrush, I've been getting a little cranky myself lately. I think if we look closely, we'll find that the change started when all the releases started going on the PB as opposed the more private Green Demon. When we could use the Green Demon, we had all the posts for invites and when they didn't get them, they left. Now everyone has access and this is what we've wound up with.

[dalandau]

I found this nice guide that helped me install toh rc2 on my friends computer.

 

Would it be the same for Kalyway?

 

0. First you need to check if your CPU supports at least SSE2 (if you already know that your CPU supports at least SSE2, skip to the next step).

 

>> Download CPU-Z

>> Unzip and start the program. In the CPU tab, look if you see SSE2 somewhere (if you also see SSE3, congratulations, you have the perfect hackint0sh CPU!). If you only see SSE, ask your dad for a new CPU, otherwise this won't work.

 

1. If you are using Windows XP go to step 2. If you are using Windows Vista, skip to step 3.

 

2. You need to create at least 6GB unallocated space on your hard disk. If you know how to do this, don't hesitate to use your preferred method. If you don't know how to do this, download Partiton Magic 8 and shrink one of the partitions on your hard drive. After you've done that, skip to step 4.

 

>> Click on ‘Resize/Move Partition

>> Move the slider to make the partition smaller and hit OK

>> Click on ‘Apply’

>> Close Partition Magic

 

3. You need to create at least 6GB unallocated space on your hard drive. To do this, follow the steps below.

 

>> Press the windows logo in the bottom left corner of you screen

>> Right click ‘computer’ and select ‘manage’

>> Select ‘Disk Management’ in the ‘Computer Management’ screen.

>> Select a partition with at least 6GB of free space

>> Right click it and hit ’shrink volume”

>> Type in the amount of space to shrink (at least 6GB) and hit ‘Shrink’.

>> Close all open windows.

 

4. In Vista, hit [windows button] + R. In XP, go to start > Run. Type diskpartin the run window.

 

5. In the command window, type:

 

>> List disk

>> Select disk [disk #]

>> List partition

>> create partition primary id=af

>> active

6. Insert the Leopard install disk (if you don't have it, search for a ToH RC2 disk on the usual places...) and reboot your computer.If it doesn't boot up your Leopard disk you may have to change your BIOS settings to alow booting from a DVD.

 

7. Wait for the DVD to boot up and select a language. Somewhere in the toolbar at the top of your screen (after you selected a language!) you'll see 'Disk Utility'. Open it and select the partition you created in step 5. Format it to HFS+ (journaled) and call it Leopard.

 

8. Follow all installation steps on your screen. Choose the HFS+ (journaled) partition you created in step 7 and don't forget to hit customize. Depending on the install disk you use you need to select or deselect packages.

 

9. The install will take about an hour, depending on your computer configuration. Take a cup of coffee and start praying.

 

10. When the installation finishes your computer should boot into Leopard! If it does, skip to step 16. If it does't, go to the next step.

 

11. Boot the Leopard instalation DVD again.

 

12. Open a terminal window (see the toolbar, it should be there) and type:

 

>> /usr/misc/script.sh Leopard (if you named the partition 'Leopard', if you gave it another name, replace 'Leopard' with your name)

 

13. Leopard should start booting now! If you are lucky, you can use it now, if you get a kernel panic, read on, otherwise, skip to step 16..

 

14. Restart the computer and hit F8 when you see the bootloader. Type in "cpus=1" and hit enter. If you still get a kernel panic, read on, otherwise skip to step 16.

 

15. Boot into your BIOS and disable SpeedStep. Try to boot Leopard now, still not working? Try to boot it in safe mode (type -x in the command line). if it's still not working, go to step 16.

 

16. When booted into Leopard, play with it for a while and then fire up a new terminal window. Type

 

sudo nano /library/preferences/systemconfiguration/com.apple.boot.plist

 

17. Type cpus=1 in the kernel flag string if you needed that flag in step 15. Add

 

<key>Timeout</key>

<string>5</string>

 

below the last string to setup a timeout for the bootloader. This'll allow you to choose your Windows partition when you start your computer.

 

18. You should now have a working dual boot configuration!