eSaF Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 What do you guys think? I think as written on the cards, the next Mac OS will be heavily into AI and Intel will be pushed further away like a spurned lover. There will be some sort of concession to some late Intel Models but the version along with any Updates will be bare bones. Some models will again inevitably dropped from the supported list as before so Intel Macs possibly has another 3 years or so support is my speculation. 7 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
verdazil Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 @eSaF, we can't know for sure, and there are no insiders yet. There are factors that play in favor of the version about the end of Intel support (new operating system interface, implementation of AI functions). However, there are also factors for continuing support (Apple usually supports old platforms for about 5 years after the latest model. The last Intel-Macs were manufactured in 2020-2022, which means the end of support around 2025-2027) But this is speculation, and we will soon find out the truth... 3 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832283 Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeveedee Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I believe I still have the coin that I flipped to successfully predict the continuation of Intel support in Sequoia. I can flip it again for macOS 16. 2 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSaF Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 1 minute ago, deeveedee said: I believe I still have the coin that I flipped to successfully predict the continuation of Intel support in Sequoia. I can flip it again for macOS 16. I hope and pray you come up correct again with your prediction. We already have a stripped down Sequoia version (lack of AI) so I can't see any reason to lock us out from macOS 16.0 completely. It all depends on how long Apple will be prepared to cater for the Intel Chip-Set as well as their own. As @verdazil quite rightly said, it's all speculation at the moment so no need to panic just yet, hopefully we will have enough time to save up or take out a mortgage for a real Mac machine. 4 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832286 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Point me to ARM desktop with the same power as Intel/AMD desktop and I will make armintosh. But now it is dream only and Apple knows this. 9 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mnfesq Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I would love to hear what @Pike R. Alpha has to say about this. If anyone in our community (or formerly in our community) knows, it would be him. 2 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832298 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSaF Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 42 minutes ago, Slice said: Point me to ARM desktop with the same power as Intel/AMD desktop and I will make armintosh. But now it is dream only and Apple knows this. Maybe that dream can one day become a reality. 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
surenmunoo Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 I thought Apple would support Intel for at least 7 years before dropping it completely. Weren't the last Intel MacBooks made till 2020 before M1 fully took over. 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSaF Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 Just now, surenmunoo said: I thought Apple would support Intel for at least 7 years before dropping it completely. Weren't the last Intel MacBooks made till 2020 before M1 fully took over. Bro definitely food for thought but we are all speculating and hoping. I really don't want to add any more to Apple's coffers but the inevitable will happen (make appointment with Bank Manager). 1 3 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832301 Share on other sites More sharing options...
surenmunoo Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 minutes ago, eSaF said: Bro definitely food for thought but we are all speculating and hoping. I really don't want to add any more to Apple's coffers but the inevitable will happen (make appointment with Bank Manager). That's True, I t will happen hence I am building my last Hackintosh PC now. A Z890 ProArt with Ultra 9 Cpu. I currently also have the M2 Studio and MacBook Pro with a whole environment of Apple Products so when it does die, will still be Apple. Hopefully in the Future Arm chips will be abled to be hacked. 4 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832303 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSaF Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 19 minutes ago, surenmunoo said: I currently also have the M2 Studio and MacBook Pro with a whole environment of Apple Products Oooh look we have a rich person among us!!! The Apple products in my household is two iPhones, the wife's Apple Watch and iPad, plus a few movies purchased by me. I know the day will come when I will have to get an Apple machine preferably a high end iMac. I am already weeping at the thought. 1 6 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832304 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CloverLeaf Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) Yea, it's coming fellas... I stripped down my MacOS usage to audio production only because I am so used to Logic Pro. Windows is doing great actually last few years, also gaming is another devil to fight... Just out of curiosity, the real Apple users - What do you use the Apple AI for? Looking from my perspective in the audio production the AI stuff are useless for the most part. Edited May 14 by CloverLeaf 3 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832305 Share on other sites More sharing options...
odemolay Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) Apple has abandoned 3D... in post-production it is no longer viable, and then it is still impossible to change components, they remain great computers for reading emails and writing texts, the rest we have to be honest Windows/Linux do it better sad Edited May 14 by odemolay 3 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSaF Posted May 14 Author Share Posted May 14 @odemolay Maybe Apple has gone so deep into the AI they are losing sight of what made them so different and appealing than a Windows machine. Lately here and before come to think of it, they have been releasing Updates with so many bugs it really is astonishing. I also have Windows 11 on my machine and shamefully have to admit you maybe correct about Windows/Linux doing better. Dark days ahead me thinks. 2 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slice Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 11 hours ago, CloverLeaf said: What do you use the Apple AI for? Looking from my perspective in the audio production the AI stuff are useless for the most part. I am not using Apple AI, I prefer DeepSeek. 7 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832313 Share on other sites More sharing options...
fabiosun Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Personally i am using macOS Ventura with a Hack faster than any present Mac...so happy also if they stop to support us I do not think ti will happen with the next OS but..apple way is clear 3 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanthraX Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) Even if macOS 16 is supported, what is the benefit for us? I have Sonoma on one hack and Sequoia on the other one. I don't even see any benefit of Sequoia over Sonoma. Even if macOS 16 will be supported, the AI will not be. Edited May 15 by XanthraX 5 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
verdazil Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 21 minutes ago, XanthraX said: I don't even see any benefit of Sequoia over Sonoma. Today, yes. In two years, Sonoma will have restrictions on updating its application software. With macOS 16 we would have gotten another three years of full support. P. S. Apple's AI is not needed. Edited May 15 by verdazil 3 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832319 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludox Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 For some years now Apple has been adopting its policy to propose its "M" CPUs for those who still have the latest Intel Macs, it gives them the consolation to run macOS just to make fun of Intel users, with the excuse of AI ... Then it's only them who say this thing, because if they wanted Apple engineers could put Ai support for Intel CPUs, obviously they don't do it otherwise no one would buy Macs. In conclusion I say, let's enjoy these last years our hacks with Intel until it's possible ... then when it will be we'll think about what to do. 5 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XanthraX Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 I am sure Intel or AMD or maybe other company will make and introduce the ARM CPU's for PC's. The X86 based architecture is obsolete. I hope I will not be a clay made jar until will see the ARM based Hackintosh. 2 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSaF Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 Since Apple introduced AI into the OS, we've been running stripped down macOS versions anyway. I don't see any reason we won't get the same enjoyment with the introduction of macOS 16.0. Personally I don't see what all the fuss is about AI (could be an age thing) and can live without it. I dare say it has it uses. The most I see of AI is individuals using it to build and post on Youtube stupid and very obvious fake videos. If and when I am forced to purchase a real Mac machine, I will definitely miss the joy of building my own machine from purchased components. Putting these parts together then shoe horning the lot into a case of my choosing, throwing the on switch and hoping for the best. The day I have to go back to buying off the shelf machines, will be a sad one. Long live the Hackintosh scene I say. 7 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluenote56 Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 Well, maybe it's because on June 20th I'll be 70, maybe because here in Italy we are saving every single euro for living expenses (I hope something will change but taxes are mad) but sincerly I don't give a **** for AI. As far as I can use my hackintosh to work (Sonoma or Sequoia it doesn' matter) to watch a movie if I want, to enjoy music, to surf web with really good performances who cares? I play Diablo Immortal and Archi cad on the win ssd. I'm fine. We are not slaves of consumerism. Think about how many lps or how many books you can buy with those bucks. How many concerts we can attend ... Then hackintosh is also a passion so welcome to new challenges Just sayin.. 3 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
verdazil Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 (edited) 2 hours ago, XanthraX said: I hope I will not be a clay made jar until will see the ARM based Hackintosh. Developing a full-fledged Hackintosh (installing macOS on non-Apple hardware) based on ARM processors is extremely unlikely for a number of technical and legal reasons: 1. Technical reasons 1.1. Apple Silicon (ARM64) architecture is highly customized: Apple uses its own SoCs (e.g. M1, M2) based on ARM, but with many unique components: Secure Enclave, AMCC (Apple Memory Compression Controller), ISP, GPU, etc. These SoCs do not comply with the standards of ARM platforms, such as Raspberry Pi, Qualcomm, Rockchip, etc. 1.2. Hardware bundle tightly integrated: macOS is designed for very specific Apple hardware. It uses hardware security verification (Secure Boot, Signed Boot Chain), T2/M chips, etc. Even if you port the macOS kernel to another ARM chip, the functionality of the GUI, drivers, networks, GPU, Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, etc. is practically zero without support from Apple. 1.3. No UEFI/ACPI support like on x86: ARM devices do not have the standard UEFI/ACPI that macOS is tied to on x86 with OpenCore/Clover. On ARM, everything is tightly tied to the Device Tree (DTB) and the Apple bootloader 2. Legal reasons 2.1. All ARM builds of macOS are tied to unique Apple hardware. 2.2. No ARM builds of macOS are officially distributed outside of Apple devices. It's not like x86, where you could take an installation image and adapt it. Edited May 15 by verdazil 4 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eSaF Posted May 15 Author Share Posted May 15 (edited) 1 hour ago, verdazil said: Developing a full-fledged Hackintosh (installing macOS on non-Apple hardware) based on ARM processors is extremely unlikely for a number of technical and legal reasons: Oh my!!!! that makes depressing reading. But as they say anything man-made can be copied or emulated. When I first entered the lithographic trade many moons ago, the firms slogan was 'The difficult jobs we do right away, the impossible takes a little time' I would like to think no matter how impossible a possible ARM Hack seems or would be, brave hearted Devs would have the same fore mentioned mindset. Here we are beating our brows and pulling our forelock already in anticipation of what future surprises Apple has in store for us Intel Dwellers. We all know the inevitable is coming eventually so time to wipe away the tears, put the subject to rest, enjoy what we have now and look forward to the offering in June with hopeful thoughts. Edited May 15 by eSaF 5 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
surenmunoo Posted May 15 Share Posted May 15 23 hours ago, eSaF said: Oooh look we have a rich person among us!!! The Apple products in my household is two iPhones, the wife's Apple Watch and iPad, plus a few movies purchased by me. I know the day will come when I will have to get an Apple machine preferably a high end iMac. I am already weeping at the thought. hahaha Just preparing for the inevitable mate. Also picked up the Mavic 4 Pro 2 days ago LOL 1 Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/361055-macos-160-last-love-affair-with-intel/#findComment-2832336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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