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3 hours ago, lelet said:

 

Remove the THB_C cable and try this: SSDT-TB3 Z270.aml

Remember though, the method without THB_C works only if a device is connected and turned on before boot, otherwise the PCI-TB card is not loaded by the system (and you do not see it on ioreg). In my case it works because my TB Dock is always on.

To succeed try these steps:
1- enable Fix Shutdown in Clover
2- turn off the computer
3- Connect the TB device and switch it on
4- wait few seconds and turn on the computer

Obviously if you do not have a dock like me you have two choices:
- Use the SSDT V1 or V2 and deactivate the sleep if you are having problems
- Wait for new developments ;)

 

 

@Loloflat6 Apart this bad luck, you're still lucky, the TBEX is the only TB card (at least until now) that is recognized naturally by the system even without a THB_C cable o device connected at boot :)

 

 

 

:) All right now : I have taked delivery of my new TBEX3  this afternoon : plugged and all is fine at startup, screen plugged on USB_C

 

My Settings recap :

 

1/ Bios recommended parameters for Thunderbolt + Pci devices set as Legacy

2/ I added arbitrary lines on my config.plist ( Thanks @Matthew82.)

<dict>
				<key>Comment</key>
				<string>THUNDERBOLT 1577</string>
				<key>CustomProperties</key>
				<array>
					<dict>
						<key>Disabled</key>
						<false/>
						<key>Key</key>
						<string>model</string>
						<key>Value</key>
						<string>Thunderbolt EX3</string>
					</dict>
					<dict>
						<key>Disabled</key>
						<false/>
						<key>Key</key>
						<string>AAPL,slot-name</string>
						<key>Value</key>
						<string>Slot-4</string>
					</dict>
					<dict>
						<key>Disabled</key>
						<false/>
						<key>Key</key>
						<string>name</string>
						<key>Value</key>
						<string>Thunderbolt 3 Controller</string>
					</dict>
					<dict>
						<key>Disabled</key>
						<false/>
						<key>Key</key>
						<string>device_type</string>
						<key>Value</key>
						<string>Thunderbolt 3</string>
					</dict>
					<dict>
						<key>Disabled</key>
						<false/>
						<key>Key</key>
						<string>IOName</string>
						<key>Value</key>
						<string>Thunderbolt</string>
					</dict>
				</array>
				<key>PciAddr</key>
				<string>03:00.00</string>

 

3/ my SSDT 

SSDT-TB3U2.aml.zip

4/ I have updated the drivers for TB3 on Windows 10 with the last one.

 

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@Loloflat6And hot plug/sleep/USB-c works for you? Can I have a look at your ioreg output? Looks like another PCI bridge patch, not real TB...

What are these 6 UPS devices for? Why not 1? or 17?

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25 minutes ago, Loloflat6 said:

I added arbitrary lines on my config.plist ( Thanks @Matthew82.)

If you use the ssdt the arbitrary inject are not needed because PCI-Thunderbolt One is already present on the ssdt under UPSB ;)

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Sleep / wake :

- Sreen on USB_C

- HDD or USB on USB 3.1 

But I have not PCI device to try sleep/wake on USB 3.1

I can eject the HDD or USB on USB 3.1 and replug it.

My SSDT is according to my IOReg 

 

11 minutes ago, lelet said:

If you use the ssdt no any arbitrary inject are needed because PCI-Thunderbolt One is already present on the ssdt under UPSB ;)

 

May be arbitrary isn't necessary but Kgp on an older post mentioned this to prevent sleep or Hot-plug issue if I remember so I use arbitrary ( I am perhaps "old school " :rolleyes: )

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18 hours ago, Loloflat6 said:

Sleep / wake :

- Sreen on USB_C

- HDD or USB on USB 3.1 

But I have not PCI device to try sleep/wake on USB 3.1

I can eject the HDD or USB on USB 3.1 and replug it.

My SSDT is according to my IOReg 

 

 

May be arbitrary isn't necessary but Kgp on an older post mentioned this to prevent sleep or Hot-plug issue if I remember so I use arbitrary ( I am perhaps "old school " :rolleyes: )

 

I removed the arbitrary entries from config.plist.. hot swap works perfectly without :wink_anim:.. 

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1 hour ago, KGP-iMacPro said:

 

I removed the arbitrary entries from config.plist.. hot swap works perfectly without :wink_anim:.. 

 

So i will try : my PCI TBEX3 implementation is fine .

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As I said on the other thread, none of the SSDT's mentioned in this thread work 100% and all have nasty/irritating  side-effects. I'm back to no TB SSDT for now, sleeping is not a good idea anyway for a digital audio workstation(one of the main uses of my hack) and no hot swap is not a serious omission. I can swap USB disks etc as long as I leave the USB-c to USB-A adapter in so it's not a big deal.

 

But tb networking, that's something I would like to have.

 

Anyway, let's hope someone figures it all out. To all contributors, thanks for trying to make TB work!

 

 

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14 minutes ago, zipb said:

As I said on the other thread, none of the SSDT's mentioned in this thread work 100% and all have nasty/irritating  side-effects. I'm back to no TB SSDT for now, sleeping is not a good idea anyway for a digital audio workstation(one of the main uses of my hack) and no hot swap is not a serious omission. I can swap USB disks etc as long as I leave the USB-c to USB-A adapter in so it's not a big deal.

 

But tb networking, that's something I would like to have.

 

Anyway, let's hope someone figures it all out. To all contributors, thanks for trying to make TB work!

 

 

 

If I would not use HDD TB and TB USB XHC hot plug as well as sleep/wake without any nasty/irritating side-effects on my own system, I would believe your likely "professional" conclusion. 

 

May I ask which TB PCIe adaptor do you employ? 

Edited by KGP-iMacPro

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Hi KGP,

I also used your solution and suggestions adapted to my hack to the best of my knowledge, unfortunately without good results. 

My z170x is quite different from your rig, of course.

It's kind of strange that no one has figured out builtin TB(and published a clear guide) after all these years.

 

Does TB networking work on your Hack?

 

Any tips most welcome!

 

 

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10 minutes ago, zipb said:

 

Hi KGP,

I also used your solution and suggestions adapted to my hack to the best of my knowledge, unfortunately without good results. 

My z170x is quite different from your rig, of course.

It's kind of strange that no one has figured out builtin TB(and published a clear guide) after all these years.

 

Does TB networking work on your Hack?

 

Any tips most welcome!

 

 

 

Yep.. including TB and TB USB XHC hot plug and sleep/wake (at least with a TB HDD and USB 3.1 devices.. don't have other TB devices for testing)... However, I am using an ASUS Prime X299 Deluxe with a TBEX 3 with the TBH-C cable removed. Build-in TB solutions seem to behave different though.. That's maybe why my SSDT does not work on your z170x system either. 

 

Sorry to hear that anyway..  

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Just to make this completely clear: you can have a working network connection on your X299 to another computer with TB using just a thunderbolt cable? 

 

If it isn't too much trouble, can I have a look at a ioreg screenshot of the relevant part of your registry with such a connection in place?

 

 

Best,

 

Zip

 

 

 

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6 minutes ago, zipb said:

Just to make this completely clear: you can have a working network connection on your X299 to another computer with TB using just a thunderbolt cable? 

 

If it isn't too much trouble, can I have a look at a ioreg screenshot of the relevant part of your registry with such a connection in place?

 

 

Best,

 

Zip

 

 

 

 

I do not have a TB3 to Lan adaptor for testing... I performed all hot plug and sleep/wake testing by means of a Lacie 4TB TB HDD.. 

 

Best,

 

KGP 

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Hi @KGP-iMacPro, do you think there is a way to compare two ioreg files of the same system?

I want to see all the differences when the THB_C cable is connected/disconnected :)

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1 minute ago, lelet said:

Hi @KGP-iMacPro, do you think there is a way to compare two ioreg files of the same system?

I want to see all the differences when the THB_C cable is connected/disconnected :)

 

You want to make a manual IOREG comparison? if so, I can send you the two IOREG saves with the THB_C cable connected/disconnected.. 

 

Today it is already too late, but if this is what you want to do, I might be able to save the IOREGs tomorrow. 

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What you use for hot plug will matter too.

like for me I can hot plug the Apple Thunderbolt Display or my LaCie TB2 SSD. But not the Promise Pegasus R2. Hotplug sometimes work with it, but if I reboot it won’t be seen until I unplug it. If I boot into windows after rebooting from macOS, Windows will hang at startup.

macos does something nasty with this Pegasus. Weird because it’s a Mac version.

 

It worked perfectly with the Gigabyte X299 Gaming 7 (including USB hotplug) but not the Asus Prime Deluxe or the ASRock Professional Gaming

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12 minutes ago, KGP-iMacPro said:

 

You want to make a manual IOREG comparison? if so, I can send you the two IOREG saves with the THB_C cable connected/disconnected.. 

 

Today it is already too late, but if this is what you want to do, I might be able to save the IOREGs tomorrow. 

No no thanks :) I already have the two ioreg file of my system with a clean installation.

I only asked if there is an automatic way to find all the differences. I do not know if the only differences (I've already noticed some) are only on the ACPI path of the PCI-TB card

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1 hour ago, KGP-iMacPro said:

 

I do not have a TB3 to Lan adaptor for testing... I performed all hot plug and sleep/wake testing by means of a Lacie 4TB TB HDD.. 

 

Best,

 

KGP 

TB networking does not use any adapters for Ethernet/etc - it is simply networking done over a Thunderbolt cable between two PCs. AFAIK this would require "proper" Thunderbolt functionality (functioning NHI/XDomain - do real TB3 Macs disable the ICM?), not just external PCI hotplugging (which is what this appears to be).

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Yes, I mean connecting 2 TB computers via a TB cable only.  All I've seen until now in people's ioreg screenshots is PCI adaptation, not real TB fixes. So I'm quite curious if someone has this working, and how he did this. 

 

How about your Z77X, TheRacerMaster? Have you fixed your TB?

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My Z77X-UD5H doesn't have Thunderbolt; I've been experimenting a little with my XPS (which does have Thunderbolt 3), but this has its own issues that have to sorted out (such as controller power management).

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Awesome that so many have this working now. Cheers! I only had enough time to mod my DSDT and use on my 3 Designaire boards for work. I haven't had all the same experiences as some, NO adapter or device is required to be connected at Boot time. I never experienced this. Akitio TB2 > 3 adapter works much better than the Apple one.

 

Next problem is writing/patching the TB driver to sort out the remaining 3rd party Thunderbolt issues. ATTO is one companies products which do not work and their drivers are located in /Library/Extensions/ NOT /S/L/E. It appears thesedevice drivers are only loaded when given a TB UUID to enumerate through devices, Clearly It's not happening at the moment.  It's still a mystery to me. In the meantime I've been trying to get my hands on DataSheets from Intel.

 

Thanks to RacerMaster and maleorderbride for making it available to everyone.

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