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Not saying i wouldn't love a 24-core dual Xeon setup! But for the 'I can't spend more than about $600 on a CPU' people, the i7 was the best choice because of the performance edge over the comparable Xeon - which costs exactly the same.

 

Well said, I think we can agree on this.

 

All the best!

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Long Cat, on 21 Jan 2014 - 5:56 PM, said:snapback.png

Not saying i wouldn't love a 24-core dual Xeon setup! But for the 'I can't spend more than about $600 on a CPU' people, the i7 was the best choice because of the performance edge over the comparable Xeon - which costs exactly the same.

 

Well said, I think we can agree on this.

 

All the best!

 

theconnactic,

 

You just undermined your own tirade against the i7 as a gamer's CPU.  "..., I think we can agree on this."

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I'm not trying to start anything but ....

 

Just a basic search on newegg:

 

ASUS P9X79-E WS LGA 2011

$469.79

 

8X Crucial 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1866 (PC3 14900) ECC Registere

$591.92

($73.99 each)

 

Intel Xeon E5-2687W v2 Ivy Bridge-EP 3.4GHz LGA 2011 150W 8-Core Server Processor

$2,199.99

 

Subtotal: $3,261.70

 

You can add another grand on SSD, Case, PSU, Misc. stuff.

 

So for about 4,300-4,500, you can get a very powerful workstation.

 

Similar specs iCan(With 2xD500) will go for $6,199.00.

 

The difference:

 

iCan; Small form factor, thunderbolt, workstation grade graphics with ECC (Maybe), "Imma Cool Cat" Effect, the thing called; It's just works (well, rarely does), lack of any kind of expansions (thunderbolt is NOT an expansion in my book), a subconscious instinct to flick my cigarettes ashes in it.

Off the shelf future upgrades: CPU, Memory, SSD, maybe wifi

 

Your build: You can do whatever hell you want with it, can get ANY graphics into it x 4, if something burns simply replace it,no need to wait for someone to fix bootcamp so you can install a weird version of *nix on it, a very satisfying thing called I've done it myself, and consider the fact that you can shop around and get it even cheaper(minus the tax and sometimes free shipping).

Off the shelf future upgrades: everything.

 

Now, I will play a devils advocate a bit and will say that, building your own rig is a challenging process, you actually kind a need to know what you're doing. Whilst iCan is a plug-and-play.

 

 

Just my 2c.

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@ Balamut

 

VGA card(s)? A pro grade VGA card can cost 1K or even more then that. MP has two cards.

 

IMO MP has much better $/performance value than MacBooks or iMacs have. Sure it has some cons (as most Apple devices), but it is still good option (in the base config at least).

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@ Balamut

 

VGA card(s)? A pro grade VGA card can cost 1K or even more then that. MP has two cards.

 

IMO MP has much better $/performance value than MacBooks or iMacs have. Sure it has some cons (as most Apple devices), but it is still good option (in the base config at least).

 

Let's agree to disagree....

 

Given that it's 7970(R9 280x have a bit more punch), few sec. here or there doesn't make huge difference.

http://www.barefeats.com/tube08.html

 

 

Food for thought on ECC VRAM iCans

 

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1691548

 

 

6GB R9 280x

 

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/msi-radeon-r9-290x-280x,25632.html

 

 

Now, I'm not saying one is better then the other, just my 2c.

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Food for thought on ECC VRAM iCans

 

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1691548

 

Balamut, that was deliberate: definitely wouldn't be cost-effective to purchase a workstation like the nMP for the sole purpose of GPGPU number crunching - the scientific community is more than well-served with headless dedicated Linux clusters for this kind of ultra-high precision work. For multimedia production workflows, the ECC VRAM would give no advantages - differently from ECC RAM, which is much needed - and would make the already underclocked (for thermal management reasons) D-series FirePros slower. 

 

Still, do you really think the sole difference between a workstation grade GPU and a consumer-aimed one is ECC VRAM? No, it's not. Check out this post: http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=25944797#p25944797

 

All the best!

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Mac Pro is not coming out any time soon. 10.8.x will most likely never support it on 10.9. Today was just a sneak peak. it will be Dual Ivy B-E as it supports native 1866 ECC ram.

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      I found the perfect PSU.
      A 600W PSU by Supermicro.
       
      Supermicro is a very known brand in the professional server market. So, I can trust those PSUs to constantly deliver real 600Watts. They are designed to run under full load for years. Hence, they can be really expensive.
      Many cheap PSUs just claim to be 600W but struggle to hold that power up for longer periods of time (or they degrade). This will not happen with a Supermicro PSU.
       
      The 600W PSU comes with a 80+ Platinum rating.
      That is one of the highest Energy efficiency ratings available.
      Higher than 80+ Gold, Silver or Bronze (which is kind of the standard right now)
       
      80+ Platinum means 92-94% of the Input-power is delivered as output. Only 6-8% is transformed into heat. That was important to me in order to keep the PSU quiet.
       

      All PSUs before they were put in
       

      It has the 1U form factor. So, you could actually fit two of them in the housing.
       

      The 600W PSU plugged into the extension cord.
       

      Securing the PSU in place
       

      The 2005 Powermac Models have a bigger server power-plug (C19) suitable for higher power delivery of over 1000 Watts.
      Almost half of the cases have this kind of plug.
      They also have a bigger input filter.
       

      Soldering the extension on.
       

      Finished housing with server power jack (C19) on the outside and standart plug (C13) on the inside
       

      PSU inside the original Apple-Housing
       

      All the cables come out near the back of the case.
       

      I created bigger openings for the cables to feed through.
       

      All PSUs are prepared
       

      The PSUs and their connectors have been tested with a PSU-tester.
       
      These Server PSUs still have some proprietary connectors (and some cables, that are a bit shorter than usual), So, I bought different adapter-cables and extensions for the PSUs to make everything universal.
       
       
       
      PSU-Cables:
       
       
      - PCIe 8-Pin (2x) for graphics cards (over CPU 8-Pin adapter)
      - CPU (1x 8-Pin, 1x 4-Pin) – actually there is one more 8-Pin, but it is occupied by the PCIe-adapter. So, it is possible to do a dual-CPU setup with a small graphics-card, that does not need a dedicated power plug, as well.
      - Molex (2x) (6x over SATA-Adapter)
      - SATA (5x) (over Molex adapter), black sleeved
      - 24-Pin ATX (20 Pin is possible) + Extension (black) + Dual PSU connector
      - 12V Fan (4x over Molex Adapter), black sleeved
       

      Different types of cables and adapters (in an mATX Case)
       
      You can hide most cables behind the PSU-housing and under the mainboard, as the standoffs that hold the mainboard are quite high. That is the biggest benefit over using one of those tray-adapter-plates that would use up the space behind the mainboard.
       

      The cables in an ATX Case (not hidden / cable-managed)
       
       
       
      HDD-Caddy:
       

      The original Apple 2-Bay HDD-caddy was glued into its new place to be out of the way. Only necessary in the ATX-Cases to fit the bigger ATX Boards in. Using high-temperature silicone.
       

      Molex Power provided by adapter (if needed for 3,5” drives, most new 5400 rpm HDDs don’t even need Molex anymore)
       

      ATX Case with a bit of cable management and the HDD-caddy in place
       
       
       
      Finished ATX Barebones:
       
       

      Finished ATX case with all equipment and the server power-cord
       

      Finished ATX case with the Acrylic cover
       

      Different finished ATX Case with cover and cable management
       
       
       
      Watercooling (mATX Barebones):
       
       
      Now that the “Empty Ones” and the ATX Barebones were finished It was time to mod the mATX Cases.
       
      I added watercooling to the mATX-Barebones:
       

      Best place for the radiator is the front. Here it will blow the hot air directly out of the case.
       

      This is the 240mm radiator for the watercooling of all mATX cases
       

      To decouple the vibration of the loop from the case I used a foam seal on the front of the radiator and a thick silicone-seal on the sides and the top
       

      Gluing the radiator in with special high-temperature silicone. (This Silicone is usually used to attach the IHS to a CPU or to seal an exhaust pipe) – good for temperatures up to 329°C
       

      Radiator in Place. Thick silicone seal is decoupling the vibration of the water-pump that travels through the loop.
       

      The 240mm radiator fits right in between the PSU and the top-compartment.
       
      The mounting kits for this Cooler Master AiO support all modern processors and sockets (775, 1150, 1151, 1155, 1156, 1366, 2011, 2011-3, 2066, AM2, AM2+, AM3, AM3+, AM4, FM1, FM2, FM2+)
       

      Two 120mm high static pressure fans come with the watercooling loop. They blow out.
      You could of course turn the fans around to suck air in (positive pressure).
       
       
       
      Equipment:
       
       
      I saved the important bits and bought cables for all Barebones
       

      Every fully modded Barebone has its own new power-cable (half of them white apple cables, half of them black OEM server cables)
       
      All fully modded Barebones have the acrylic cover
       
      I kept HDD rubber-head screws, DVD-drive standoffs, Pump Mounting Kits in a little bag.
       
       
       
      Finished mATX Barebones with watercooling:
       
       
      Here are some pictures of the internal layout:
      Pictures of the outside can be seen in previous posts.
       

      Finished mATX Barebone
       

      Finished mATX Barebone with all equipment
       

      Finished mATX Barebone with all equipment
       
       
       
      Types of cases & Barebones:
       
       
      What I have right now:
       
      12 fully modded Barebones:
      6 - mATX - with watercooling
      6 - ATX - (eATX boards should also fit)
       
      12 “Empty Ones”
      - 8 prepared for ATX (3 of which have heavier orange-peel)
      - 3 prepared for mATX (1 of which has heavier orange-peel)
       
       
       
      The End:
       
       
      Thats it for now…
      What do you think?
      Was it worth it?
      What hardware would you put in?
      Please let me know…
      ;-)
       
       
      Yours, sincerely
      wise_rice
    • By anm
      Hi. A question to local gurus...
       
      I am running Sierra on a dual xeon 2670 hackintosh (Asrock C602) and gtx1070. Dual boot to FreeBSD 10-release.
       
      Everything is working nicely, but I noticed a strange (to me) CPU core utilization pattern under macos compared to normal BSD. It seems that CPU0 is used significantly more (unevenly) - judging visually by the core graph in activity monitor. In BSD the distribution of spikes/load lines seem to be more even across the cores... In macos the heavy favor to the first core is very apparent...
       
      So my question is - is this something to be expected (macos distributes the load across 16 cores in this way intentionally)?
       - Or this is a feature of the activity monitor?
       - Or this is not normal and I should do something additional to "fix" this?
       
      thanks in advance. 
       
       
    • By SBC-Studios
      No hokus pokus - No magic   
       
      I am basically making this more current and simplifying it for people with HP Z800 wanting to run Sierra. With a bit more detail on the BIOS settings
       
      All credit really goes to: chatdeau, Rockey12 and ZoroZZ for helping out and creating the first topic on the HP Z series found here
       
      I am not sure who to credit for the kexts but a big THANK YOU to whoever you are!
       
      The HP Z series is very powerful and affordable computers which I simply think is a brilliant Hackintosh solution. 
       
      MY HW Specification :
      HP Z800  with BIOS version : 3.60
      CPU: x2 6-core X5690
      RAM: 32 GB
      GFX:  ATI HD5870
      SSD: Samsung SSD 840 EVO 250GB
       
       
      What you need.
       
      - A HP Z800/600 (obviously)
      - A working computer running Mac OS X
      - A 8gb or higher USB 2.0 key
      - Mac OS X Sierra app
      - Latest CLOVER 
      - The Attached Kexts
       
       
       
      Step one – BIOS Update
       
      Update your BIOS to the latest (currently it is 3.60 Rev.A 14 Apr 2016)
      Download there
       
      The easiest way is to run the flash tool on a Windows installation.
       
       
      Step two – BIOS settings
       
      Setup the BIOS settings with the following settings. Please keep in mind that there might be option you can turn on or off depending on your need but this is just what worked for me.
       
      Storage > Storage Options
       
      -               Removal Media Boot = Enable
      -               Legacy Diskette Write = Enable
      -               SATA Emulation = RAID+AHCI
       
      Security > System Security
       
      -               Data Execution Prevention = Enable
      -               Virtualization (VTx) = Disable
      -               Virtualization (VT-d2) = Disable
      -               AES Instruction = Enable
       
      Security > Device Security (Everything to “Device Available” except these)
       
      -               Serial port = Hidden
      -               Internal USB = Hidden
      -               SAS Controller = Hidden
      -               Legacy Diskette = Hidden
      -               Embedded Security = Hidden
       
      Power > OS Power Management
       
      -               Runtime Power Man = Enable
      -               MWAIT-Aware OS = Enable
      -               Idle Power savings = Extended
      -               ACPI S3 Hard Disk = Disable
      -               ACPI S3 PS2 Mouse = Enable
      -               USB Wake = Disable
      -               Unique Sleep State = Disable
       
      Power > Hardware Power Management
       
      -               SATA Power Manage = Enable
      -               Intel Turbo Boost = Enable
      -               Enhanced Intel Turbo Boost = Enable
      -               EUP Compliance = Enable
       
      Advanced > Processor
       
      -               Hyper-Threading = Enable
      -               Active Cores = All Cores
      -               Limited CPUID = Disable
       
      Advanced > Chipset/Memory
       
      -               PCI SERR# Generation = Disable
      -               PCI VGA Palette Snooping = Disable
      -               Enhanced Memory Performance = Enable
       
      Advanced > Device Options
       
      -               Num Lock = Off
      -               S5 Wake on LAN = Enable
      -               Multi-Processor = Enable
      -               Internal Speaker = Disable
      -               Monitor Tracking = Disable
      -               NIC PXE = Disable
      -               SATA RAID Option ROM = Enable
       
       
      Step tree – Create the USB
       
      Download the Mac OS Sierra installer app from the Appstore on a working computer running Mac
       
      Run Disk Utility and format the USB key as Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with GUID Partition Map.
       
      I just named the USB Key Untitled as standard
       
      Then open terminal and run this command to create the USB key
      sudo /Applications/Install\ macOS\ Sierra.app/Contents/Resources/createinstallmedia --volume /Volumes/Untitled --applicationpath /Applications/Install\ macOS\ Sierra.app Please note that this part of the command “/Volumes/Untitled” is the path to the USB key and if you have named it anything else than “Untitled” you will have to edit it with the name of your USB key.
       
      Once the command is done you have to install Clover which can be downloaded here
       
      Run the clover pkg and remember to “Change Install Location” to your usb.
       
      Then choose costumize and choose the following:
       
      - Bootloader
         - Install boot0af in MBR
       
      - CloverEFI
         - CloverEFI 64-bits SATA 
       
      Once Clover is installed you will need to add the following Kexts (attached below) to the /EFI/CLOVER/kexts/10.12 folder on your USB Key.
       
      - AHCIPortInjector_v1.0.0_Micky1979.kext
      - FakeSMC_v6.16.1372_netkas.kext
      - IOAHCIBlockStorageInjector_v1.0.0_Micky1979.kext
      - NullCPUPowerManagement_v1.0.0d2_tgwbd.kext
       
       
      Step four – Boot to Installation
       
      Insert the USB key and start the computer. At the HP screen choose F9 to choose boot option. Then select USB drive
       
      When you are at the CLOVER screen you can choose options and in the boot arguments you should write use the –v bootflag to be able to see what is going on in case there is any errors.
       
      In my case I am using a ATI 5870 GPU and I don’t need to do anything as the ATI 5xxx series is supported but Mac OS X by default.
       
      If you have an Nvidia card you need to add  the nv_disable=1 boot argument to avoid a black screen.
       
      Now run the installer as you would with any Mac and at the install screen you shall rund Disk Utility and format the drive you want to use as we did previously with the USB key. Mac OS Extended (Journaled) with GUID Partition Map.
       
      The installer will reboot the computer and when It starts again you need to hit F9 again select the USB key but this time at the Clover screen You need to choose your newly created Hard drive.
      The Installer will continue after this and boot one last time before booting in to the new system.
       
      Please note that you need to boot from the USB and choose the hard drive each time at the Clover screen.
       
       
      Step five – Make the OS bootable
       
      Once you are running your new OS you will need to install clover to that drive like we did previously on the USB key.
       
      Run the clover pkg and remember to “Change Install Location” to your hard drive.
       
      Then choose costumize and choose the following:
       
      - Bootloader
         - Install boot0af in MBR
       
      - CloverEFI
         - CloverEFI 64-bits SATA 
       
      Once Clover is installed you will need to add these following Kexts found here to the /EFI/CLOVER/kexts/10.12 folder on you’re the OS X hard drive.
       
      If you have an Nvidia GPU you will need to install the web driver which is found here
       
      And use the nvda_drv=1 boot flag at the clover screen. You will need to add this to the config.plist ether manually or with clover configurator to avoid typing it in all the time.
       
      Enjoy your new powerful hackintosh.
      HP Z800 kexts Sierra.zip
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