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Same here. I deleted the folder, will check on the next update if it occurs again. 

I'm not sure that's a bug. I checked my Volumes and, sure enough, no such folder there. :)

 

Also, I found the name (firmwaresyncd aka firmware synced) to be a bit strange. So here's what I found on that. Check it out. I hope it makes things a little bit clearer. :)

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Running a hack makes everything different. Third party bootloader + unsigned kexts + god knows what else (user specific). You punched a hole in a wall and are trying to patch it back up with tape so it's 'just like new'. That isn't a winning strategy.

 

Truth.  But let's not forget the goals of OSx86 -- When Apple brings out a new feature, we work to get it functioning on non-Apple hardware.  For now, Apple is introducing SIP because it has dumbed-down the OS so much that most Mac users are clueless about security concerns.  We can all pat ourselves on the back for being smarter and more aware than most Mac users but that's not enough as far as I'm concerned.  If Apple is introducing SIP, I'd like to see it work on non-Apple hardware because that's what we do.

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I thought 0x00 means enable SIP and other security settings?

 

I reinstall to Developer Beta 1,keep 0x67 settings in clover.  Then install all beta updates to beta 6.

 

Now SIP is disabled. 

 

Too much efforts!

Upgrade Clover back.

Set

	<key>RtVariables</key>
	<dict>
		<key>CsrActiveConfig</key>
		<string>0x00</string>
	</dict>

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I thought 0x00 means enable SIP and other security settings?

 

I reinstall to Developer Beta 1,keep 0x67 settings in clover.  Then install all beta updates to beta 6.

 

Now SIP is disabled. 

After the caches are rebuild, SIP can be enabled again. 

p70:~ Lex$ csrutil status
System Integrity Protection status: enabled.
p70:~ Lex$ nvram -p
....
csr-active-config	%00%00%00%00
p70:~ Lex$ 

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Truth.  But let's not forget the goals of OSx86 -- When Apple brings out a new feature, we work to get it functioning on non-Apple hardware.  For now, Apple is introducing SIP because it has dumbed-down the OS so much that most Mac users are clueless about security concerns.  We can all pat ourselves on the back for being smarter and more aware than most Mac users but that's not enough as far as I'm concerned.  If Apple is introducing SIP, I'd like to see it work on non-Apple hardware because that's what we do.

 

It works just fine. Toss FakeSMC in L/E and ta-da, you can boot. Kext injection does not work anymore though; that needs to get fixed.

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It works just fine. Toss FakeSMC in L/E and ta-da, you can boot. Kext injection does not work anymore though; that needs to get fixed.

So it doesn't work just fine ;)

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Adapt and conquer! Take 5 minutes to read about whats going on and learn what needs to be done.. Works just fine.

 

Never mind that we've spent the last 6 years blindly letting our boot managers handle the hacking process of osx86. Most users get lazy as time goes on so this should be a great opportunity to thin the herd and get back to the basics.

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Adapt and conquer! Take 5 minutes to read about whats going on and learn what needs to be done.. Works just fine.

 

Never mind that we've spent the last 6 years blindly letting our boot managers handle the hacking process of osx86. Most users get lazy as time goes on so this should be a great opportunity to thin the herd and get back to the basics.

Agree. ..agree

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So, to recap, as of today (August 10th, 2015): can we use CLOVER/kexts/10.11* with CSR set to 0x67 or should we just stop using Clover injection for good (considering SIP is a new feature we want to have natively implemented in non-Apple hardware) and set L/E as our new standard for kexts location and, if so, what CSR flags are we supposed to use?

 

I've been reading and keeping up with stuff and I'm just trying to find the "situation" as of today and as we move forward… :)

 

 

 

* I'm assuming that part of the problem with kexts in the EFI/Clover partition is that it is FAT32, thus not having actual permissions (other than the user that mounts it), which means they can't be owned by `root`, which breaks SIP…?!

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So, to recap, as of today (August 10th, 2015): can we use CLOVER/kexts/10.11 with CSR set to 0x67 or should we just stop using Clover injection for good (considering SIP is a new feature we want to have natively implemented in non-Apple hardware) and set L/E as our new standard for kexts location and, if so, what CSR flags are we supposed to use?

 

I've been reading and keeping up with stuff and I'm just trying to find the "situation" as of today and as we move forward… :)

As of today, kext injection from EFI is non-functional. I'm sure Slice is working on it.

 

As a workaround, setting SIP to 0x01, 0x03, 0x65, 0x67 and probably other combinations as well (other than 0x00 that is), should give you a bootable and functional system (SIP will be disabled).

 

You don't "need" to add anything, since Clover adds 0x67 by default (hope I'm not wrong about this). So, only if you want to lower the access to let's say 0x01 so that you allow access only to unsigned kexts, will you need to change your RtVariables to reflect this change.

 

As of today, setting the SIP to 0x00 will fully enable it. Which, assuming you got everything booted up and running, should not affect you in any bad way. At least until the next Apple update. When it would be recommended to change your SIP settings to at least 0x01 to allow loading unsigned kexts (especially FakeSMC) from L/E or wherever you might have put them.

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As of today, kext injection from EFI is non-functional. I'm sure Slice is working on it.

 

As a workaround, setting SIP to 0x01, 0x03, 0x65, 0x67 and probably other combinations as well (other than 0x00 that is), should give you a bootable and functional system (SIP will be disabled).

 

You don't "need" to add anything, since Clover adds 0x67 by default (hope I'm not wrong about this). So, only if you want to lower the access to let's say 0x01 so that you allow access only to unsigned kexts, will you need to change your RtVariables to reflect this change.

 

So, basically, after having booted once with SIP disabled (CSR 0x67, for example), the kext cache gets build with my injected caches from /L/E (e.g FakeSMC, AppleHDA, etc) and after that the kexts are untouched until the cache is rebuilt (e.g. OS X upgrade or kext installation), right?

 

 

You don't "need" to add anything, since Clover adds 0x67 by default (hope I'm not wrong about this). So, only if you want to lower the access to let's say 0x01 so that you allow access only to unsigned kexts, will you need to change your RtVariables to reflect this change.

 

This explains why, after using CC and having it clear my CSR config, it still booted just fine, and SIP was disabled… :)

 

 

Thanks for the help, btw! :)

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So, basically, after having booted once with SIP disabled (CSR 0x67, for example), the kext cache gets build with my injected caches from /L/E (e.g FakeSMC, AppleHDA, etc) and after that the kexts are untouched until the cache is rebuilt (e.g. OS X upgrade or kext installation), right?

Yes.

 

This explains why, after using CC and having it clear my CSR config, it still booted just fine, and SIP was disabled… :)

 

Thanks for the help, btw! :)

You're welcome. :)

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Not sure if this is related to boot flags/Clover but I've been getting a ton of  "This is the first time you open ______ application" every time I boot up… Known issue? :X

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I get that too. It's not a Clover issue, just another bug with El Capitan.

 

Ah, that explains it! :) I tried different CsrActiveConfig flags and it never fixed it (initially, 0x67 didn't make it happen, but when I returned to it after trying 0x00, 0x01 and 0x03, it happened with it too).

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You don't "need" to add anything, since Clover adds 0x67 by default (hope I'm not wrong about this).

 

Well I just did the test and no, Clover (r3253 at least) doesn't add 0x67 or any other value related to CsrActiveConfig by default. You have to write it right in the config.plist by yourself.

 

And As you said, the config.plist must be edited with an appropriate text editor rather than Clover Configurator since it's not ready yet and will overwrite any "unknown" RtVariables ;).

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Well I just did the test and no, Clover (r3253 at least) doesn't add 0x67 or any other value related to CsrActiveConfig by default. You have to write it right in the config.plist by yourself.

 

Interesting… When I didn't have any CsrActiveConfig defined on my config.plist (CC accident), it still booted with SIP off… :o

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Well I just did the test and no, Clover (r3253 at least) doesn't add 0x67 or any other value related to CsrActiveConfig by default. You have to write it right in the config.plist by yourself.

 

And As you said, the config.plist must be edited with an appropriate text editor rather than Clover Configurator since it's not ready yet and will overwrite any "unknown" RtVariables ;).

I dont think you are using in the right way ;  Clover r3253 ( Source Forge Package )   ad this key on Default config.plist

 

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Clover Installer does not change your config.plist if you have one on EFI 

 

If you whant testing in the right way, Install Clover on  blank usb and you see the default config.plist

 

I attach the default config

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Not sure if this is related to boot flags/Clover but I've been getting a ton of  "This is the first time you open ______ application" every time I boot up… Known issue? :X

Yes me too with El Capitan PB4, Canon Printer and  Dropbox both report first time opened when started automatically at boot,

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I dont think you are using in the right way ;  Clover r3253 ( Source Forge Package )   ad this key on Default config.plist

 

Clover Installer does not change your config.plist if you have one on EFI 

 

If you whant testing in the right way, Install Clover on  blank usb and you see the default config.plist

 

I attach the default config

 

Thanks for the insight.

 

So Clover actually set this on the very first install. Which means that if you upgrade from a previous version, it will not add it.

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Thanks for the insight.

 

So Clover actually set this on the very first install. Which means that if you upgrade from a previous version, it will not add it.

Thats right !   B)  Its an Intelligent Installer  :D  :lol:

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Thats right !   B)  Its an Intelligent Installer  :D  :lol:

 

Good to know ;).

 

So now we just have to wait for a Clover Configurator update so we avoid messing up the config.plist every time we want to modify something and we'll be fine :D !

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Good to know ;).

 

So now we just have to wait for a Clover Configurator update so we avoid messing up the config.plist every time we want to modify something and we'll be fine :D !

Exacly Clover does not change your previous config ,He knows if you have config.plist  

 

This is not what makes CC  :hysterical:  I am not using CC   :rolleyes:

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I know CC isn't perfect just as Chameleon Wizard isn't but It's still a user-friendly approach of customizing the config.plist.

 

And I don't forget that many people doesn't even understand what a config.plist is meant for… After all, that's what I love in OS X : yummy GUI and no scaring lines of "code-style" things :lol:.

 

That said, I agree that these tools can mess up a lot of things ;).

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