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no offense, but you need to read up on what fascism is, and how much more complex than "totalitarian regime" it actually is :)

 

also, the real danger to freedom has always been people that believe they have to force their beliefs upon someone elses life ... ignore tonymac, whenever he's mentioned make sure to let the person know why he's disrespected in the community, and move on.

trying to "fight" him and discredit him they way is being done here is _far_ from the pursuit of exercising freedom of speech, and is substantially closer to hate speech (which is NOT protected by the concept of freedom of speech, as the freedom of speech ends where the others freedom begins ... )

 

I'm sorry, but it looks like it's you who needs to read up on what fascism really is because you are limiting it to political ideology but in fact the term fascism has a more general meaning. It describes a set of organizational principles of certain social communities and in that way tony's policy can as well be called fascist. Calling a spade a spade has nothing to do with hate.

 

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I just think calling someone like tonymac after a man responsible for literally millions of deaths, is not just out of proportion, but completely insane.

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I just think calling someone like tonymac after a man responsible for literally millions of deaths, is not just out of proportion, but completely insane.

 

Exaggeration has always been a method of satire and you shouldn't forget that these people don't appear out of nothing, they have a history which made them the way they are. Apart from this not everybody is in a position to order a genocide.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZGPz4a2mCA

 

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Exaggeration has always been a method of satire and you shouldn't forget that these people don't appear out of nothing, they have a history which made them the way they are. Apart from this not everybody is in a position to order a genocide.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZGPz4a2mCA

 

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But some things are simply not funny.

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I'm sorry, but it looks like it's you who needs to read up on what fascism really is because you are limiting it to political ideology but in fact the term fascism has a more general meaning. It describes a set of organizational principles of certain social communities and in that way tony's policy can as well be called fascist. Calling a spade a spade has nothing to do with hate.

 

I don't need to read up on what fascism really is, because I'm Italian and we have to learn this {censored} over and over and over again, much like Nationalsozialismus for you germans ;)

Trust me ... fascism is born out of politics, and is only applicable to politics (the whole concept of fascias is about politics).

The fact that some people love to use the term to describe social constructs and communities doesn't change that is an abuse of the term, much like calling someone that is a plain racist (think of a southern US redneck) a Nazi is totally common practice, yet absolutely inaccurate.

 

Btw ... "it describes a set of organizational principles of certain social communities" is

- a ) wrong (fascism has much more to do with government form and corporates interests)

- b ) almost a very simplistic way of describing the term "politics" ;-)

 

Is tonymac totalitarian, authoritarian, and last but not least, an {censored} ? yes, yes and appearently yes (we don't _really_ know his true character nation just by how he runs a community, so let's take that judgement with a grain of salt, shall we?).

But is he a fascist?

No, because plenty of things he does are in an extreme and direct contradiction to core fascist principles.

Using the term fascism to describe tonymac is not only an insult to fascists (which we could really care less about, since we don't care about fascists ^^), but it's also completely inaccurate.

 

As I said in my previous post ... what you are doing here in this thread, is actually a very nice example of how opposition to oppression quickly can turn over into oppression itself.

You're not protecting freedom of speech here ... you are hurting it.

 

You might wanna sit down, take a few moments (hours, preferably) to think about the whole picture, and reconsider whether namecalling, nameshaming and generally the context of this threat still constitutes as "art", since you keep calling it satire, which is per se, art.

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Just a quick opinion from my side: People should be made aware of tonymacx86, the reasons why his methods and ruleset are bad and how his community is oppressive in some ways, but calling him The Fuhrer in every second post is not only lame but super-childish as well. Satire is a great way of transporting a message, but if I want to call someone oppressive, there are better ways than calling him a discriminating war starter who killed more humans than ever built a Hackintosh in every third sentence.

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I don't need to read up on what fascism really is, because I'm Italian and we have to learn this {censored} over and over and over again, much like Nationalsozialismus for you germans ;)

Trust me ... fascism is born out of politics, and is only applicable to politics (the whole concept of fascias is about politics).

The fact that some people love to use the term to describe social constructs and communities doesn't change that is an abuse of the term, much like calling someone that is a plain racist (think of a southern US redneck) a Nazi is totally common practice, yet absolutely inaccurate.

 

The fact that you are Italian means nothing because in both countries, Germany and Italy, there are a lot of people who didn't get it and still believe that fascism is a good thing.

 

The principles of fascism originate from a lower middle-class environment and were developed during the late 19th century. Most of the later fascist leaders absorbed these ideas with their education. The important point is that these ideas were already fully developed and deeply rooted in society when they began to achieve a prevalent role in politics after world war one.

Btw ... "it describes a set of organizational principles of certain social communities" is

- a ) wrong (fascism has much more to do with government form and corporates interests)

- b ) almost a very simplistic way of describing the term "politics" ;-)

 

Some fascism theories see fascism founded on an authoritarian family structure. Would you really subsume the social community "family" under the category politics?

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It's pointless to argue here about natcional socialism or facism here. 

 

If to be very specific, both are very spefic political views. None of them is bad byitself, bad is what some poeple might have done in the name of some ideology. Bad is mostly question of point of view too. This formum isn't about political issues, it's about hacking (not cracking).

 

It's obvious that due the mass propaganda, the words facism and nazi doesn't have nothing to do with original political views. Those are just synonyms for Satan, Devil etc. It's pointless to argue about misuseage of those words.

 

The truth is, that this Tony {censored} misuses other people's work for it's own good and acts like some despot in his forum. That's all.

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Is tonymac totalitarian, authoritarian, and last but not least, an {censored} ? yes, yes and appearently yes (we don't _really_ know his true character nation just by how he runs a community, so let's take that judgement with a grain of salt, shall we?).

But is he a fascist?

 

Fascism hasn't been limited to only Germany or Italy, in fact it is a phenomenon which existed or still exists in almost any western society and which shows an astonishing variety, but totalitarianism and authoritarianism are the characteristics which they all have in common. In that way you already answered the question you asked with yes!

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Guys, I think it's best not to use strong words for petty things like these. This is because it is not worth bringing critical here, and become worse in the eyes of peoples. my 2 cents.

 

 

As far as I'm concerned, everything has been told. I feel no need to continue this discussion.

 

Mieze  :cat:

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As far as I'm concerned, everything has been told. I feel no need to continue this discussion.

 

Mieze  :cat:

Being wrong has a habit of causing people to flee a conversation.

 

Tmx is a website owned by a person. If dont like it, do not use it. It really is that simple.

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Being wrong has a habit of causing people to flee a conversation.

 

Tmx is a website owned by a person. If dont like it, do not use it. It really is that simple.

Reading the title of the Topic the problem is another, and is one reason to not use it, anymore ^_^ .

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