eightballbill Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 My question is: There will be any hope to see Osx 10.5 working on our pcs, or apple will prevent their future kernel and os' structure from being cr**ed again? We are still using the kernel from the 10.4.4 TIger's release. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
errandwolfe Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 This is PURE speculation, but I highly doubt 10.5 will run on our standard PC hardware. My reasons are as follows: 1. New kernel - There has been a good deal of discussion about dropping the mach_kernel which for the most part was open sourced through Darwin. This I believe helped a lot in the initial development of the base patches we all started from. 2. EFI - We currently bypass the EFI requirement by using patched kernel files, as discuess in the previous post dating back to 10.4.4. With the release of a new 10.5 kernel, mach or not we may no longer be able to bypass this requirement. 3. Virtualization - One of the possible inclusions in 10.5 will be virtualization technology. This will most likely be very closely tied to the VT technologies is the Pentium D line and up. Having that technology in the chip may be a fundamental part for allowing 10.5 to be installed, mainly in regards to the Intel technology as I dont see how they could implement this on PPC. Just my thoughts, do not take as canon. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/#findComment-107132 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogabean Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 1. speculation on a new kernel that personally i don't see happening. the mach kernel will still be around i believe. 2. this is a good possibility, but one some people are working on. 3. worst case this might just mean everyone will have to go with the pentium D's with the VT technology. not that big of a deal as i see it. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/#findComment-107136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluedragon1971 Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 In regards to #3, I don't think they would be able to make VT a requirement for one simple reason - PPC Macs don't have it, and 10.5 will still run on them. Apple won't (read that as can't) drop OS support for PPC Macs this soon. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/#findComment-107141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
suleiman Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 bluedragon, while you are right in pointing out that apple won't drop support for its ppc lineup, remember that the version of OS X that is being hacked to run on generic PC's is not the PPC but the Intel version. Apple could very well put a VT requirement in its intel lineup, and when the installation is checking to see if you have a powerpc or intel based mac, it could just as easily check to see if you have a VT capable processor. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/#findComment-107191 Share on other sites More sharing options...
urig-herb Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 The Core Solo processor hasn't VT, so this requirement will be highly unlikely. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/#findComment-107209 Share on other sites More sharing options...
errandwolfe Posted May 3, 2006 Share Posted May 3, 2006 Urig I think I need to correct you. According to this data sheet from Intel, both the Core Solo and Duo have the VT technology. http://www.intel.com/design/mobile/datashts/309221.htm If in fact that is the case, I could very well see Mac requiring the VT technology for install. In fact I think they might even go so far as running it as a HyperVisor environment. Both (or more!) OS's starting to at the same time and running concurently. This as opposed to the VMWare/Parrallels style of host and guest OS. As for the they can't due it cause the have to support PPC argument, I believe that was addressed in an earlier post and I would have to agree. Apple could very easily have the VT check as part of the check to see whether or not to install the Intel or PPC version. Do not forget we are talking about a lot more then the kernel, most of the OS components had to be compiled for and will only run on x86 hardware. I am sure the hardware test will be very through to make sure the right components get installed for the right platform. Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/#findComment-107238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheburashka Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Urig I think I need to correct you. According to this data sheet from Intel, both the Core Solo and Duo have the VT technology. I take it no AMD chips support this? Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/#findComment-107342 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mmk Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 AMD has different virtualization technology Link to comment https://www.insanelymac.com/forum/topic/16622-will-leopard-be-working-on-our-pcs/#findComment-107343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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