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  1. Rhapsody DR2

    I'll take these points in reverse order... You may learn a lot by attempts to install... but you'll never learn what makes an OS special. You may know more about getting Mac OS X running than I do... but I'd be willing to bet that I know more about Mac OS X than you. Why? Because while you were fumbling with trying to install it, I was actually using it and learning how to make the most of it (as a working system). Sorry, you really don't learn what is special about an OS by making attempts to install it. And I frankly doubt that many of you will see what is special about Rhapsody because I don't see any of you ever taking the time to actually work with it. Well, you should sell one of them and you'll have more space. You aren't going to get Rhapsody 5.0/5.1 working on an iMac... the USB support in Rhapsody 5.3 and later was only enough to use the keyboard and mouse. Nothing more. So not only are you wasting your time... your really wasting your time. Which brings us back to the first of your points (and a new rule)... If you can't afford $0-$50 for this... stop right now. Don't spend any more time on this. Get a job or something. I was on my own at 18. My parents didn't help me at all. I paid for my education out of my own pocket... and am still paying for my education out of my own pocket today! The new rule: if anyone brings up "being a student" again as an excuse, I'll stop posting in this forum. Ya see, I'm a student... and I work full time, and if you remind me that I'm basically donating my time here while you guys aren't willing to put the same amount of effort into this that I am in helping you, I'll remember that my time is actually better spent working on my mathematics than answering questions here. To be fair... if a moderator removes the "I'm a student" post (and someone tells me it is gone), I'll consider posting again. But this is a no tolerance policy... from here on out, if anyone gives me "being a student" as an excuse for anything, I'm gone. Hmmm... Come to think of it, this would be a good time for catching up on my homework.
  2. Rhapsody DR2

    I guess I'm not quite sure what you are asking for... there is no bless under Rhapsody that I know of. As for nvram, this is the contents of /usr/share/nvram/: lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 6 Feb 20 03:07 3400-2400@ -> Hooper lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 5 Feb 20 03:07 3500@ -> Kanga lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10 Feb 20 03:07 7300@ -> PowerSurge lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10 Feb 20 03:07 7500@ -> PowerSurge lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10 Feb 20 03:07 8500@ -> PowerSurge lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10 Feb 20 03:07 9500@ -> PowerSurge lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 12 Feb 20 03:07 9700@ -> PowerExpress -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1754 Jan 8 19:03 Gossamer -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 857 Jan 8 19:03 Hooper -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 857 Jan 8 19:03 Kanga -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1888 Jan 8 19:03 Mainstreet lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 10 Feb 20 03:07 PowerBook1998@ -> Wallstreet -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 999 Jan 8 19:03 PowerExpress lrwxr-xr-x 1 root wheel 4 Feb 20 03:07 PowerMac-G3@ -> Silk -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1874 Jan 8 19:03 PowerSurge -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 935 Jan 8 19:03 Silk -rw-r--r-- 1 root wheel 1830 Jan 8 19:03 Wallstreet As for the question of newworld Macs, this list should give you an idea what Macs are supported (and similarly, could be supported) with Rhapsody 5.3 and later. When you are talking about Rhapsody 5.0/5.1... I would rule out even the later generations of Beige G3s as possible systems. These installations are very picky. one of the reasons why the 7300 wasn't supported by them is the lack of memory interleaving. I've done my time with attempts at Rhapsody installation on odd hardware... it really isn't something I'd want to devote any more time on. Back when I did this a PowerMac 8500 was running about $1000 and a 7500 was about $650... today those systems are practically free (I got my 7500, and two 8500 for free). It seems pretty pointless to spend that effort now when a great Rhapsody system is less than $50 away (CPU, monitor, keyboard and mouse). But if any of the things you are looking for exist... you should find it in Apple's documentation. The only thing that may help that is not on my site is a book called Rhapsody Operating System Software. Currently I only have this book as a printed/bound manual, I'll see if I can find a PDF version of it. It covers aspects of Rhapsody's Mach OS.
  3. Rhapsody DR2

    Well, the configuration is saved in PRAM... that is why you lose the configuration if your battery is dead and you shut down the system. As for the System Disk utility... you can find that here.
  4. Rhapsody DR2

    I haven't asked anyone to use a method... use whatever method you want. But there is only one path to doing research... and that is researching. I used the same skills hunting down Rhapsody information as I did for researching mathematics. It would be the same skills that would help a historian or archeologist.. or lawyer for that matter. You say you don't have time to do this, fine. But your loss is not info on Rhapsody, it is the experience of hunting down the information. Also... I didn't have a computer when I was a kid. I got my first computer at the age of 23. And while I had used (at school and at work) NeXT systems, I could hardly be called an expert at them. I wasn't that good with computers to begin with nor did I need to be (not for my type of mathematics). And most of my experience was with the classic Mac OS. I started down this path in 1998 with the purchase of NEXTSTEP because Apple had bought NeXT a couple years earlier and was working on Rhapsody at the time. By the time I started using Rhapsody daily, Mac OS X Public Beta was already out, and most of the (small) Rhapsody community had already moved onto Mac OS X. When you were learning DOS and Windows... I highly doubt that you had any problems finding information on those (nearly everyone was using them around you... what choices did you have?). Learning Rhapsody can not be equated to learning DOS. It is far more like learning IRIX, or Solaris, or the BeOS. Information that you have to dig for rather than having it force fed to you. And that really is the difference. DOS/Windows stuff is everywhere, there is no sport in getting a Windows system up and running. But systems other than Windows... there is a challenge. With each community you have sources of information. As the communities get smaller and smaller, the information becomes harder and harder to find. The Mac community is small (compared to Windows), but the SGI community is smaller, and the NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP community even smaller still. And the smallest of all seems to be Rhapsody... which is pretty much just me (with occasional visitors). Think about it, when something goes wrong on one of my systems, who do I turn to? There is only me in the case of my Rhapsody systems. The best part of Rhapsody (besides having the platform pretty much to myself) is that it is computing without a net. It is not the Mac OS X Server CD then... what you guys have is the Mac OS X Server Developer and WebObjects CD. Mac OS X Server 1.0 came with the following media: Mac OS X Server Install CD Developer/WebObjects install CD NetBoot Server CD Third-Party Solutions CD Mac OS X Server 1.2 (and 1.2v3) came with the following media: Mac OS X Server Install CD Developer/WebObjects install CD NetBoot Server CD Apple Network Assistant CD So someone made an image of the Developer/WebObjects CD... which is understandable as it is readable by most systems (as it is the same media as the WebObjects 4.0.1 release and has WebObjects for Windows on the same CD... but you need a license string to make it work on Windows). This is the type of thing I tried to warn you guys about. People who don't know any better make images of media and throw them out on the web... not really knowing what it is they were putting out there. My guess is that the original person who put that out had never even ran Mac OS X Server on any system... wasn't even sure what it was. He saw it, thought it may be valuable warez... and put up the easiest image he could make. ____________________ Guys, I charge between $50 to $85 per hour for my consulting. So you could say that 1 hour of my time is worth $50 to me. What is one hour of your time worth to you? Now multiply that by the number of hours you've spent on chasing down damaged or false copies of Rhapsody. Wouldn't it have been easier (less expensive time wise) to have bought that copy of Mac OS X Server on ebay back when I pointed it out to everyone. It was under $30. $30 is less than what an hour of my time is worth, so I wouldn't have spent more than a half hour on this type of thing before realizing that just buying it when it was there would be the best way to go.
  5. Rhapsody DR2

    What exactly do you think I do for a living? My job isn't to "find old OS and betas and try to make them work on real hardware or emulators". I make no money off this stuff... at all. I work full time to help support my wife and I, plus I'm a graduate student in mathematics. NEXTSTEP, OPENSTEP or Rhapsody have nothing to do with my business (which is all current Mac systems) or my education (where there really isn't much that a computer can do to help with anyways). I don't care if you want to give yourself excuses for doing illegal activities or not doing actual research... just don't give them to me and expect me to think they justify your actions (or lack of actions). Frankly, unless you are an accounting major, the skills you learn by researching a rare platform like Rhapsody or OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP are very valuable. The value of this stuff isn't in Rhapsody/OPENSTEP/NEXTSTEP (none of which is ever going to become a mainstream OS), the value here is learning how to learn. See, kids today... sorry, but they're lazy. Everything is quick and easy, or they don't care about it. What I see in Rhapsody is a chance to get you guys excited about searching for solutions. So when I see you guys taking shortcuts (downloading software rather than searching for it, running to Wikipedia rather than using real Rhapsody info) I'm pretty disappointed. I'll say it again because I can't stress it enough... The value here is learning how to learn. That'll be an interesting trick... seeing as Rhapsody doesn't "update" Mac OS 9. There is no upgrade path to or from Rhapsody... it is its own OS. Given that, how would you "update a Mac OS 9 installation"?
  6. Rhapsody DR2

    It alters the firmware so that a Mac can startup from something other than a Mac OS. Here is what the Advanced Options looks like... One of the things you can do is set the system to stop the boot process at the firmware prompt so that you can instruct it which OS to start from (bye for the Mac OS and boot for Rhapsody as I recall). I've seen wiki-elitism in action... way too much of a head ache. Someone put a link to my site on the Rhapsody OS page, so people do find there way to my site (and much of the info I have on it) eventually. And keeping my sites full of cool and interesting info is more fun than trying to fight the wiki-people. Well, there is a 68k version of OPENSTEP 4.2... it is just for 68k NeXT systems and not Apple systems. And yes, it is on the same disk as OPENSTEP 4.2 for Intel. What version of blankity blank are we talking about? Because blank.blank most likely won't run in emulation.
  7. Rhapsody DR2

    First... like Rhapsody, NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP have their own version of the UFS filesystem. This means that you aren't going to just mount one of these in some foreign OS. Second... most of what is on Wikipedia about Rhapsody and NeXT is written by people who really have never even used this stuff. Don't take anything you find there as fact unless you can verify it with some other source. Depends... what product are you talking about? OPENSTEP... which is fully titled OPENSTEP for Mach, is an operating system. It is the fourth major version of the NeXT OS originally called NEXTSTEP (originally written as NeXTStep). OpenStep is both the APIs and the Application Environment for non-NeXT systems (sold as OpenStep Enterprise). There is a nice article on the naming conventions here. Part of the problem with all these images floating around is that you don't even get the basic info that was on the media itself. For example... there was one CD for NEXTSTEP 3.3 for both NeXT and Intel hardware. But these images you guys are passing around blind don't tell you any of that. And because you guys are assuming that you can run these in emulation software designed for special operating systems (Windows or the Mac OS), you are missing the fact that these systems are designed to be run on real hardware with certain conditions (requirements). NeXT (or Apple for that matter) never intended their media to be opened on a Mac or Windows system. These CDs were for NeXT and Rhapsody systems. But what is most frustrating is that it isn't like most of the documentation on this stuff is missing... it isn't. So it makes someone like me wonder why you guys aren't reading up on this stuff first. When I got started in all this I read up on these things. And the original media came with manuals to help people with installing NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP/Rhapsody. Both NeXT and Apple supplied articles for when you ran into issues. And all that information is way better than the information (and misinformation) you get from Wikipedia. I have to wonder some times if me being part of this forum is actually helping. Some questions are hard to find answers for, and first hand experience really is needed to fully understand what is happening... others are questions that only take a little bit of effort to solve by reading the documentation. But if I'm here to answer those questions, I may be stopping you guys from actually doing any reading at all. ____________________ I don't think that either of the developer releases will work on an iMac G3/400... that system would need Rhapsody 5.3 or later. Both Rhapsody 5.0 and 5.1 should work on most pre-Blue & White PCI Power Macs (but require a patch for them to run correctly on G3 processors). A good way to judge if the developer releases will work is if the hardware has USB. Because the iMacs only have USB and neither Rhapsody 5.0 or 5.1 support USB, that pretty much rules out iMacs for them.
  8. Rhapsody DR2

    Um... what "OpenStep 4.2 for PPC" are you talking about? There was never a version of OPENSTEP made that would run on PowerPC hardware. There was an internal build of NEXTSTEP 2.x at NeXT that ran on an experimental PowerPC NeXT system, but beyond that... NeXT never made any PowerPC operating systems.
  9. Rhapsody Install Guide for Bochs

    There are none on my part. As I have zero experience with Bochs, I'm pretty much in the dark with how things are supposed to be set up... Rhapsody Guru seems like the best source for that info. I can only guess based on what the installer is kicking back, but as most of my experience is with actual hardware the best I can do is guess with Bochs.
  10. Rhapsody DR2

    All PowerPC versions of Rhapsody come on a partitioned CD... with an HFS partition and a (Rhapsody) UFS partition. You boot the system from the HFS partition which has a version of the Mac OS on it (with a special extension installed) to run the installer. The installer does three things... It modifies the target volume and leaves a script of what packages are to be installed, it modifies the firmware to let the hardware read (and boot from) Rhapsody formatted volumes, and it points the system at the Rhapsody partition of the CD for rebooting and installation of the Rhapsody packages. Once the packages are installed from the CD, the system is redirected to boot from the Rhapsody partition on the Mac. The first time it boots from that partition is when you run the Setup Assistant. The two most common issues I get asked about with people who are using "non-original" Rhapsody media are: "When I boot from the CD I get an error saying no desktop file found?" "After I run the installer the system reboots but I end up back in Mac OS and the hard drive (target volume) is gone... what happened?" In the first case, someone made the image on a non-Mac system and so resource files were stripped from the HFS partition (there is a special resource that makes the desktop folder the desktop folder and keeps it invisible from the user). The second case is usually an image of just the HFS partition of the original media, with the Rhapsody partition missing (because it is unreadable by most systems). Beyond the installer, there is a utility that is included with Rhapsody for setting the firmware for a Rhapsody startup. In the Rhapsody developer releases it was called Multibooter and in the Server releases it was call System Disk. It is a good utility to get familiar with... specially if you are running Rhapsody on unsupported hardware. This is what System Disk looks like...
  11. Rhapsody DR2

    When I was asked to test this a while back I had no problem booting from the Mac OS part of the CD... it was installing Rhapsody that failed.
  12. Rhapsody DR2

    Quick little history of Blue Box... Blue Box was included with the following PowerPC releases of Rhapsody: Rhapsody 5.1 (Rhapsody developer Release 2) Rhapsody 5.3 (Mac OS X Server 1.0) Rhapsody 5.6 (Mac OS X Server 1.2 and 1.2v3) Blue Box was not ready for Rhapsody 5.0 (Rhapsody Developer Release), so the only time Blue Box came on it's own media was when Apple sent it out to developers a few months after they had given out the first Rhapsody Developer Release sets. Blue Box comes with it's own installation of the Mac OS. The versions that come with each are: Rhapsody 5.0... Mac OS 8.0 Rhapsody 5.1... Mac OS 8.1 Rhapsody 5.3... Mac OS 8.5 Rhapsody 5.6... Mac OS 8.6 Neither Developer Release versions (5.0 or 5.1) support upgrading/updating Blue Box's Mac OS. Blue Box that comes with 5.3 can be (and should be) updated to 8.5.1. Once Rhapsody 5.3 or 5.4 (Mac OS X Server 1.0.1) has been updated to 5.5 (Mac OS X Server 1.0.2), you can update Blue Box to Mac OS 8.6. Additionally, just like any normal version of Mac OS 8.6, you'll need to apply a patch to the font manager (which you can get here).
  13. Rhapsody DR2

    Yes... and so does every version of Mac OS X Server. Blue Box wasn't ready for the first Rhapsody Developer Release so Apple sent it out a couple months later on it's own CD. The rest had it in on their installation CD with the rest of the packages. So putting up Blue Box before Rhapsody DR1 for PowerPC is a waste of time because that was what it needs to run... and that was the only version where Blue Box wasn't included.
  14. Rhapsody DR2

    Not that I want to have any involvement in any of this (at all), but why are you putting up Blue Box?
  15. os for 190cs?

    The PowerBook 190cs wasn't one of the first [PowerBooks], and as such is limited as to which OS will run on it. The 190 was a 68LC040 base PowerBook that used the PowerBook 5300 case design. This was the last of the 68k PowerBooks Apple sold. As for what OS, that depends on a number of factors. How much RAM, size of hard drive... how you plan on installing the OS... all these have an effect on what we could recommend. When I was using a PowerBook Duo 280 as my primary computer, I ran Mac OS 8.1 on it. Like the 190 series, my 280 used a 68LC040, but I had 32 MB of RAM and a 320 MB hard drive. Your 190 came with a 500 MB drive (which is good), but usually shipped with 8 MB of RAM (expandable to 40 MB). What are your options? System 7.5.3 (with PowerBook 5300/190 Enabler v1.1), plus the 7.5.5 update. Mac OS 7.6.1 Mac OS 8.1 And if you have 12 MB of RAM or less, Mac OS 8.0/8.1 are going to seem pretty slow on that system. 16 MB would be a minimum for 8. How are you going to get any of these on that system? Because I service these systems, I have any number of ways of getting an OS on that computer... but for the average person, this is something that you may need to plan out. When I originally got my 280 it had some version of System 7 on it. As some of you may know, the PowerBook Duos were subnotebooks... and they didn't have any media drives (no floppy and no CD-ROM). And Mac OS 8 comes on a CD. I installed Mac OS 8.1 on that system via the only port it had... the localtalk port. I connected to my Quadra (which has a CD-ROM drive, mounted the Mac OS 8.1 CD on the 280 over an AppleTalk connection, and installed Mac OS 8.1 on that system. In the case of this 190... you need a system that you can make floppies from if you don't already have an OS on it. Like I said, I have tons of stuff to help me with something like this, but that isn't always the case for most people. Assuming you want to go 7.5.5 (because it is free from Apple and is easy on systems with limited resources), you can find what you need at the following links: System 7.5.3 Floppy Images System 7.5.2 Tools Disk (for booting your PowerBook 190) System 7.5.5 update System 7 Manuals Specification info on the PowerBook 190cs PowerBook 190 Manuals (near the bottom of the page) And you may want to look around at System 7 Today.
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