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  1. hennmann

    Acer Aspire One 533

    And yes my reply is also very late as I have one of these Acer Aspire one AO 533 as well with the Atom CPU. Is this anemic netbook a good candidate or is it just to troublesome to attempt for the size of processor? I have upgraded the ram to 2 gb and otherwise it is in good working order.
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    Mac Hardware clone

    Where can I find a list of hardware that is compatible in most ways to an Apple computer so I don't need patches, patched software etc. because even though I have hardware that meets or exceeds most requirements that I have on hand, I'm probably like others that feel it's getting to the point that learning (struggling) with Linux might be better time spent. It's getting to the point where I'm going to upgrade my hardware so if this is the case why not just find out what hardware is equiv. or is fully or mostly supported by Apple?? If I knew how to modify software to work on my hardware, well then find and dandy but I don't along with many others. Some might say "well then just go out and buy an Apple" My answer is I don't want to pay 2-3 times more for the same hardware! The outdated Dell I started out with for this venture performs better with 10.5 than what it was originally intended for which is XP. Boots faster, performs faster, smoother with less glitches but trying to update is a PITA.
  3. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    Sorry for leading you astray Matt! Not Leopard because this is working very good but is obsolete like the hardware. Snow Leopard and beyond was the plan of attack. I attempted to upgrade with the Leagacy kernel 10.6.8 you provided and my directory was never found using CLI but as I discovered with the last task for the username just one little error such as an L lowercase instead of I uppercase and as I read this post or reply being done on my iPhone they both look like the same character which led me down the wrong garden path. Like you mentioned earlier installing SL from scratch is probably an easier option. myHack want an option at the time due to being updated to a version only working with 10.6 and all earlier versions being discontinued. Anything is possible if one has the knowledge including where I discovered a Dell Dimention 3000 running 10.7 and since the OSx86 Tools and utilities allowed me to install your mach_kernel smoothly with everything running fine while this was happening until I rebooted tells me there was probably one driver or kext replaced that needed to be removed and replaced. Nope not Leopard, just Snow Leopard or newer and it's my turn to apologize for my lack of knowledge that limits me to a tried, tested and proven but obsolete piece of hardware. I got much better but at the same time a Dementia 3000 is very low on the food chain compared to the 4600 and the 478 3400GHz is optional for this box but at the same time I have a 775 laying beside IF Intel is easier to "tosh" One thing about all possible options on the 4600 is I have working drivers etc. on the untouched drive. How about booting up on an install disk that boots up and runs on this box AND use the disk utility>restore>then restore with an OEM or modified 10.6++? Is this option possibly easier? Back to your P4's? What are you running and what were you able to make run just to see what is similar to the junk I got laying around
  4. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    don-hennmanns-macpro31:~ donhennmann$ ls /Users Shared donhennmann don-hennmanns-macpro31:~ donhennmann$ Okay that is much better! As we can all see what effects one small error can create which must be the case with all other attempts. One thing I should have done for simplifying things for demonstration purposes is I should have used my forum username uppercase and lower case for this experimental OS for simplicity of directly copying to and from the terminal and Safari browser for showing and explaining what is going on and if need be make it easier for copying commands from the browser and pasting it into the CLI. Anyway this is a start in the right direction Matt and perhaps we can give the kernel attempt another try. As for this "I apologise that I still haven't had time to install SL on one of my P4 machines; I have been quite busy recently. I have a free night tonight, so I will try and get it done today." No need to apologize for anything because if you can put up with my bumbling along as well as being quite busy your schedule is what it is! Now back to this cp /Users/*YourUserName*/Documents/mach_kernel / Re *YourUserName* Am I to assume that I would roll it all together such as /DonHennmann / ^ with a space above where my arrow is pointing? Because one little glitch can throw a wrench into this operation or should I just give the OSx86 tools utilities another try to install this legacy kernel with repairs being made to the iDenebX VIA iDeneb_V1.3 which is my working "do not mess with OS"? Also another thing I thought of as well is I used my Win7 to download the kernel you provided AND I used Winzip on Win7 to extract this zipped Kernel and install on my USB drive to transfer over to this wannabe macpro 3.1 I could probably figure it out on Mac which would be downloading it again on the Dull Mac but what utility is used on Mac to unzip a file? It is probably like the 4600 patch that was required for the 10.5.5 instal that some attempted to install and failed because we forgot to extract or unzip it prior to installation. I also got temporarily stalled on the patch as well so is it correct that this Kernel 10.6.8 must be unzipped prior to placing in Documents as well? Anyway for now I will see if we can get this mach_kernel to take root in this box and if this is a successful possibility I will throw that Socket 775 Mobo into a case and give it a go because that one might have more possibilities being 775 with the only? downside is the questionable PCIe slot on it other than the onboard video. By questionable slot, it is that short 1 1/4 inch slot with a divider in the middle which I have no idea where I would begin to look for a card like that making me think this board is another door stop or frizbee. Since you are working with some P4 machines as you mentioned, what are some of the easiest of these to get going with good potential for easy and low cost expansion or upgrades? By this I mean CPU's, drivers, etc. Should I look at Intel Socket 775 or is AMD AM2 not too bad to work with? These I have and at least they are not laptops that present more problems due to proprietary hardware. I wish this 4600 was a 4700 with 775 because I saw a recent thread started with one getting 10.6.8 installed and I think the member mentioned he was able to install a dual core in it as well.
  5. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    don-hennmann-macpro31:~ donhennmann$ Is /Users -bash: Is: command not found don-hennmanns-macpro31:~ donhennmann$ is /Users -bash: is: command not found don-hennmanns-macpro31:~ donhennmann$ Is/Users -bash: Is/Users: No such file or directory don-hennmanns-macpro31:~ donhennmann$ Also in System Profiler I get this User Name: Don Hennmann (donhennmann) again edited for this forum with my username for this forum and for the earlier commands where you mentioned to use my user name I would assume with uppercase being used for both the first and last User name separated with a space? This is copied and pasted directly from my terminal EXCEPT my real user name is replaced with my forum username for illustration purposes to clearly show what is happening and what I have attempted to do. Shown in my attempt is the first where command is not found and then uppercase, and lower case, followed by space variations at the / symbol as an attempt to make this beast happy. Now for the kernel. Yes it is in the Documents folder and yes it is unzipped to the point of making a copy from the original you sent and placing this in the folder to the point of having two in the documents folder labeled mach_kernel and mach_kernel copy. Now to simplify the reply to post procedure I am NOW using Safari on my Dull and this post and the copy and paste is on the same attempted Mac computer instead of posting on my Windoze computer with the Dull idling, floundering, or panicking on the sidelines. Doing this also allows me to copy the command directly from my browser to the CLI I should have did this in the past but oh well live and learn. Now another thing to ponder about is it possible that having multiple hard drives running on the same IDE ribbon with identical versions of OS has discombobulated this entire mission impossible? And a final mention was I used OSx86 Tools to update the kernel (install kernel function)in previous attempts and it seemed to go through the motions appearing to be doing the update like it should with no apparent problems until I rebooted as instructed where it didn't proceed with the full boot. After going through that procedure, is it possible that it led me down the right path but a kext or driver had to be replaced? Matt see what you make of all of this now that I finally provided an actual copy of what is going on to diagnose what is going on and if need be we can copy and paste the command with my user name properly inserted in the command and by properly inserted clarify how the username must be typed in. If I copy and paste your reply this should eliminate any errors re space or no space etc. At least I can use this Dull to this extent and not like a dead or disabled PC sitting off to the side and of course this also includes the fact that if it does crash or panic I can reboot into the other intact drive and peer around inside the experimental drive named iDenebX. One more question before I post this. Is it possible that 10.6.8 is too big of a jump from 10.5.5?? If not then perhaps as mentioned earlier something got replaced in the final update that needs to be replaced with an earlier version?
  6. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    Absolutely non of any of this works. No such file or directory Now lets ACCURATELY type the commands. NO asterix etc. and what appears on the terminal before I enter anything is john-does-macpro31 :~ johndoe$ and of course to attempt to clarify John Doe is an alias used here to accurately depict what should be typed in this CLI At the $ after my name do I type cp /Users/johndoe/Documents/mach_kernel / with my username ALL lowercase run together as one word? OR cp Users/John Doe/Documents/mach_kernel / with my username BEGINNING uppercase with a SPACE and last name beginning with uppercase? and what about the spaces before the / ?? None of the commands work because there is obviously an error entering these commands. Its either an uppercase/lowercase or space required or not required command error. This also applies to cp /Volumes/*insertHDNameHere*/Users/*YourUsernameHere*/mach_kernel /Volumes/*insertUSBNameHere*/ I used a blank USB and copied the mach_kernel to it and Mac recognizes it as NO NAME and this is what I typed into the terminal ALL UPPERCASE as it appears on the desktop with the error No such file or directory being presented. This is my argument about that stupid command line and unless the command is precisely and accurately entered you end up with absolutely nothing accomplished! Oops wrong description I gave, something is accomplished, frustration This obviously should work for updating this kernel if iDeneb v1.3 is working very stable with no issues other than the version is outdated and this is preventing me from using newer hardware because of all of these problems just attempting to update a kernel. It should work but obviously wont unless the command is incorrect.
  7. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    But again capitals are probably a fraction of the problem. As I typed the commands above is how i typed them with directory not found. Spaces before and after / are possibly a problem. The * used in the examples do not clearly indicate to me whether or not spaces before or after the root symbol are required. As for the restoration procedure using the disk utility when I attempted to repair my failed attempt of the update, the backups on both hard drives did not open on the iDeneb disk utility restoration process. What error was made in the commands i used or is 10.5.5 too old for a 10.6.8 update?? As for the FakeSMC, I don't know the commands to do this and this includes copying the legacy kernel to the USB. This reminds me of Linux. Most if not all of my hardware is supported but if the CLI is required and unless you can find, or know the commands, renders it useless making me realize why Linux users are becoming more and more of a minority!!! Matt please don't get me wrong for my reply here and there is no lack of gratitude intended towards this forum or you for your help, but due to the fact that I'm not an experienced Mac user limits me to what i can use UNLESS I have very clear detailed information and instructions. This is the main reason forcing me to keep using this Dell and obviously I have alot of hardware laying around but again, unless I know what patches and procedures to use, it is pointless trying to attempt this due to the perpetual kernel panic and unsupported hardware. One thing I did notice was the number of members in all of the forums I visited during all of my searches for information that asked questions that went unanswered, or hardware wasn't supported, etc. with very few posts from quite a few of these members making me wonder if they figured it just wasn't worth it and giving up.
  8. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    cp /Users/*YourUserName*/Documents/mach_kernel / No such file or directory! cp /Users/johndoe/Documents/mach_kernel / ??? or cp /users/ johndoe /documents /mach_kernel / ??? There is obviously an error in the command and the mach_kernel IS unzipped and in the documents folder because even though everything is there I get the message that the diurectory or file does not exist and I have used many variations of this command. IE space after /Users / cp /users/ johndoe /Documents /mach_kernel /
  9. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    Okay I did a clean reinstall, first I used the migration tool and it got me ethernet etc. all working and attempted to install the Legacy kernel relabeled mach_kernel I placed in my documents and typed the command sudo cp /mach_kernel / and got an indication that the kernel was duplicated or already existed and grrrrrrr I figured by using the migration tool it copied my failed attempt from my other hard drive. Next I did another clean install (I'm getting good at this by now ) but this time I did not use this tool but installed the ethernet 4600 patch and again I typed sudo cp /mach_kernel / and received cp: /mach_kernel and /mach_kernel are identical (not copied) Next I used OSx86 Tools and used the app to update the kernel with the option of which hard drive and where it was and after entering my password it went through the motions of installation, indicated the update was successful, and instructed me to restart the computer. Upon boot I get Darwin/x86 boot v5.0.132 - Chameleon v1.0.11 Build date: 2008-06-09 20:12:22 3711MB memory VESA v3.0 64MB (NVIDIA) Loading Darwin/x86 Crikey and that is as far as it goes Next I rebooted and pressed enter for more options and typed -x followed by enter and get the following Darwin/x86 boot v5.0.132 - Chameleon v1.0.11 Build date: 2008-06-09 20:12:22 3711MB memory VESA v3.0 64MB (NVIDIA) Loading Darwin/x86 Loading kernel mach_kernel Loading HFS+ file: [mach_kernel] from 4234670. Loading HFS+ file: [mach_kernel] from 4234670. exactly how I typed it here on this post and below this is the blinking cursor with no further activity Now other than NOT using the migration utility as I suspected screwed me up the first time, I didn't disable the other hard drive and hopefully s :censored:t didn't get transferred from one drive to the next and i was careful to make sure i selected the proper directories etc. and if diagnostics or items needing to be reinstalled is necessary i still have my other drive untouched. I will wait and see what you figure before another wipe and reinstall. Perhaps I should call this the Manhattan Project One thing to mention as well now that i just remembered is it advised me to make a backup of the kernel first and my legacy kernel i directed it to was my USB drive so perhaps the backup is on this drive as well. I will reboot to my other drive and check. It wasn't backed up to the USB drive but clicking on the other drive I labeled iDenebX to make it easier to identify the correct drive with the installed or should I say attempted installed kernel shows mach_kernel and beside it mach_kernel backup so it would appear something did happen and possibly a small repair can be performed from my working iDeneb_V1.3 drive?
  10. Okay I did a clean reinstall, first I used the migration tool and it got me ethernet etc. all working and attempted to install the Legacy kernel relabeled mach_kernel I placed in my documents and typed the command sudo cp /mach_kernel / and got an indication that the kernel was duplicated or already existed and grrrrrrr I figured by using the migration tool it copied my failed attempt from my other hard drive. Next I did another clean install (I'm getting good at this by now ) but this time I did not use this tool but installed the ethernet 4600 patch and again I typed sudo cp /mach_kernel / and received cp: /mach_kernel and /mach_kernel are identical (not copied) Next I used OSx86 Tools and used the app to update the kernel with the option of which hard drive and where it was and after entering my password it went through the motions of installation, indicated the update was successful, and instructed me to restart the computer. Upon boot I get Darwin/x86 boot v5.0.132 - Chameleon v1.0.11 Build date: 2008-06-09 20:12:22 3711MB memory VESA v3.0 64MB (NVIDIA) Loading Darwin/x86 Crikey and that is as far as it goes Next I rebooted and pressed enter for more options and typed -x followed by enter and get the following Darwin/x86 boot v5.0.132 - Chameleon v1.0.11 Build date: 2008-06-09 20:12:22 3711MB memory VESA v3.0 64MB (NVIDIA) Loading Darwin/x86 Loading kernel mach_kernel Loading HFS+ file: [mach_kernel] from 4234670. Loading HFS+ file: [mach_kernel] from 4234670. exactly how I typed it here on this post and below this is the blinking cursor with no further activity Now other than NOT using the migration utility as I suspected screwed me up the first time, I didn't disable the other hard drive and hopefully s :censored:t didn't get transferred from one drive to the next and i was careful to make sure i selected the proper directories etc. and if diagnostics or items needing to be reinstalled is necessary i still have my other drive untouched. I will wait and see what you figure before another wipe and reinstall. Perhaps I should call this the Manhattan Project One thing to mention as well now that i just remembered is it advised me to make a backup of the kernel first and my legacy kernel i directed it to was my USB drive so perhaps the backup is on this drive as well. I will reboot to my other drive and check. It wasn't backed up to the USB drive but clicking on the other drive I labeled iDenebX to make it easier to identify the correct drive with the installed or should I say attempted installed kernel shows mach_kernel and beside it mach_kernel backup so it would appear something did happen and possibly a small repair can be performed from my working iDeneb_V1.3 drive?
  11. Thanks Matt and let me know how you make out. BTW what do you have for P4 machines? Right now I'm doing a reinstall of the 10.5.5 because of using an OEM version of 10.5.8 update combo for an experiment but ended up with the "black window of death" telling me to reboot followed by the same window during the boot process after everything locked up or froze. Regards Don
  12. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    Hi Matt! No apologies necessary because a late reply is better than no reply!! My SL is supposedly Mac OS X 10.6.0 Snow Leopard Retail DVD 7.15 GB (7,687,472,848 bytes) from the "Bay" and from what the documentation mentioned it isn't modified and is a copy of the retail DVD (so the story goes) When you mention dont use the mv command sudo mv /mach_kernel / Should I assume you are recommending sudo cp /mach_kernel / and if this is the case the mv command didn't overwrite the kernel? If it didn't I suppose all it did was copy it to the root / directory where it is just sitting in this directory taking up space and not doing anything? I will find your answer quite interesting as your latest reply because my mind has become soft dealing with Windoze all of these years and as for Linux I'm not scared of the CLI but on the other hand If I don't know what to type in the Terminal it leaves me not able to finish the task at hand. ​Now back to the iDeneb V1.3 10.5.5 and the expendable OS on the smaller spare drive, after I realized the limitations of the 10.5.5 Vanilla? Darwin 9.4.0 and because this is expendable I tried a genuine unaltered MacOSXUpdCombo10.5.8 to see what would happen. It started installing appearing to install the way it was intended but when the procedure was oh, about a third of the way through give or take, the Apple Black Window of Death appeared advising me to restart the computer by using the power or reset button. I shut the computer down, restarted and the boot started but then this Black window popped up as the boot froze. I would assume Kernel Panic? Probably the same thing as using the software update to 10.5.8 which actually worked a bit better than update combo where it actually rebooted to the desktop but a number of Apps wouldn't work. Since I have a good procedure to follow for installation I will reinstall 10.5.5 again with the proper patches and use the transfer feature to transfer everything from my working untouched main Hard drive like I did before which impressed me with how good it worked. Also after this latest update combo attempt happened I discovered there is an iDeneb 10.5.7, update combo kit including tools etc, 10.5.8 iDeneb update combo as well to use with the iDeneb 10.5.5 V1.3 or earlier versions. Sounds like the iDeneb needs modified iDeneb combo updates as well. I will look for these iDeneb updates as well (unless this is a waste of time?) and these will require some searching around due to dead links and being somewhat outdated. As 10.5.5 is installing I will look for these and first I will try sudo cp /mach_kernel / and the legacy Kernel again to see what happens. Correct me if I'm wrong about the command ( I will wait before I try) to use for the installation of the 10.6.8 Legacy. Like you mentioned about just installing SL being easier than this method, it probably is but I'm limited with myHack only being available for 10.6 and they eliminated the downloads for the older versions that would have worked and I suppose myHack is required? to do a clean install with the Retail 10.6. Yes I attempted to do a clean install but things locked up before I could use the disk utility to erase the drive, whether or not his would have helped to make the install work. Regards Don
  13. Due to the fact that I'm actually doing two things (or trying to) such as attempting to update 10.5.5 and now attempting to install Snow Leopard this is a quote from my thread "Update and Drivers for 10.5.5" I decided to quote from the other topic. 0000-1248, on 03 May 2017 - 4:24 PM, said: Ok, I looked at that guide and it is completely wrong. Here is step by step what you should do: 1. Use myHack (find it here) to create your SL USB. 2. Your Terminal command doesn't work because it assumes 2 things: 1. is that the kernel is located on the root directory and 2. is that it is named legacy_kernel-10.6.8 Place the kernel in your Documents folder and type this: sudo cp /Users/*yourusername*/Documents/mach_kernel /*insertUSBname here*/ This will work if the kernel is named mach_kernel and it is in your Documents folder. 3. Boot up the USB and install SL.' 4. Boot back into the SL Installer but this time go to Terminal (in the Utilities drop down) and type this: cp /*insertUSBnamehere*/mach_kernel /*insertVolumenamehere*/ 5. Exit Terminal and reboot using -v at Chameleon (just in case it hangs, then I can help you diagnose the issue.) 6. Install your Miscellaneous drivers (network, graphics, audio etc.) once you get into Mac OS X. 7. Enjoy Mac OS X. Note: the Volume name is the name of the partition on which you installed OS X. Good luck, - Matt And my reply I followed the link to myHack and it only works on 10.6 which didn't surprise me due to the age of Leopard but surprisingly About this Mac lists the date as up to 2008 but what is and isn't supported is equiv. to Windoze XP I would guestimate. Anyway after finding out about the required 10.6 and being unable to install SL from the operating 10.5.5 with the error "The application "Install Mac OS X" cannot be used from this volume" I attempted to copy the Legacy Kernel using the provided steps. I typed sudo mv /mach_kernel and my password after enter and then i got three lines displayed (sorry I didn't record the info) and exited the terminal. Then I rebooted and System Profile and About this Mac both indicated 10.5.5 and Darwin 9.4.0 Okay I suspected I missed a step so I typed in sudo mv /mach_kernel / suspecting I forgot the root command after kernel and hit enter followed by my pass word to receive the following mv: /mach_kernel and /mach_kernel are identical Then I exited the terminal The only thing that I think I discovered that is possibly different is after POST and the start of boot, instead of seeing Darwin 9.4.0 I now see Darwin/x86 boot v5.0.132 - Chameleon v1.0.11 Build date:2008-06-09 20:12:22 Keep in mind about this boot info indicated that this is my expendable experimental spare drive OS with everything? transferred over to it using the transfer utility that I directed the source as my other v1.3 drive and it was surprising how much and how easy it was to get everything over including email etc. (does this clone the drives?). Did this change the start of boot info or did something actually change during my copy kernel attempt? Also the Darwin 9.4.0 is Vanilla? yes? and Seems to me the Nawcom Legacy 10.6.8 is Vanilla as well? Okay Matt now back to the instructions posted directly above. Am I to assume that in order to: "Boot up the USB and install SL" "Boot back into the SL Installer but this time go into Terminal and Type this: cp /*insertUSBnamehere*/mach_kernel /*insertVolumenamehere*/ That this would have to be a myHack modded SL USB installer to even get this far? After I post this I will see if I can find an earlier version of myHack that would work on 10.5.5
  14. hennmann

    Update and Drivers for 10.5.5

    I followed the link to myHack and it only works on 10.6 which didn't surprise me due to the age of Leopard but surprisingly About this Mac lists the date as up to 2008 but what is and isn't supported is equiv. to Windoze XP I would guestimate. Anyway after finding out about the required 10.6 and being unable to install SL from the operating 10.5.5 with the error "The application "Install Mac OS X" cannot be used from this volume" I attempted to copy the Legacy Kernel using the provided steps. I typed sudo mv /mach_kernel and my password after enter and then i got three lines displayed (sorry I didn't record the info) and exited the terminal. Then I rebooted and System Profile and About this Mac both indicated 10.5.5 and Darwin 9.4.0 Okay I suspected I missed a step so I typed in sudo mv /mach_kernel / suspecting I forgot the root command after kernel and hit enter followed by my pass word to receive the following mv: /mach_kernel and /mach_kernel are identical Then I exited the terminal The only thing that I think I discovered that is possibly different is after POST and the start of boot, instead of seeing Darwin 9.4.0 I now see Darwin/x86 boot v5.0.132 - Chameleon v1.0.11 Build date:2008-06-09 20:12:22 Keep in mind about this boot info indicated that this is my expendable experimental spare drive OS with everything? transferred over to it using the transfer utility that I directed the source as my other v1.3 drive and it was surprising how much and how easy it was to get everything over including email etc. (does this clone the drives?). Did this change the start of boot info or did something actually change during my copy kernel attempt? Also the Darwin 9.4.0 is Vanilla? yes? and Seems to me the Nawcom Legacy 10.6.8 is Vanilla as well? Okay Matt now back to the instructions posted directly above. Am I to assume that in order to: "Boot up the USB and install SL" "Boot back into the SL Installer but this time go into Terminal and Type this: cp /*insertUSBnamehere*/mach_kernel /*insertVolumenamehere*/ That this would have to be a myHack modded SL USB installer to even get this far? After I post this I will see if I can find an earlier version of myHack that would work on 10.5.5
  15. Again thanks Matt!! The command line use like in Linux but there is ONE thing I noticed about and between this forum and alot of the Linux forums such as Zorin and Ubuntu, and that is you actually get help HERE (once i started to slowly figure out what to ask for) whereas the Zorin and Ubuntu later flavors caused a glitch to happen with my horrible MSI K8T board. It would install without a mouse cursor appearing rendering the OS good for two things nothing and all! The older Kernel worked before they went to the newer that I used to remember what it was called but the mind blocks out bad memories (the one that had at the bottom of the screen the two Icons, a person in a circle and what looks like a keyboard beside it) and when I mentioned which Kernel worked the answer was a flat " that version is no longer supported!!" End of topic!! Here I'm starting out with old and older hardware and software IE 10.5.5 and there is still info and support!
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