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About HolyHandGrenade

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  1. A) PoloBear: Thank you for the information and constructive response. B ) Zaap: now that I understand you're a troll I'll be looking for the ole ignore button. Congratulations though; you got two long posts out of me and lots of attention, which is what you need. I hope you feel whole now. Or you could just stop trolling and get a life. It's hard work but in the end I think you'll find it worthwhile. The fact that you take the opposite position of everything I said and re-direct at me (that I'm using it for production purposes vs. you saying I need a $150 machine for email) proves that point. Let me put you in your place and state my peace one last time, then I'll be on my way. I thought these forums were moderated. Apparently not. 1) I'm not ranting about anything. I use a certain kind of Mac for WORK... and have been using them for many years. And so now, because it's somewhat unclear what Apple is going, I am INVESTIGATING whether or not it is PRACTICAL to attempt to build a Mac that has SIMILAR CHARACTERISTICS to the Macs I've owned recently and know WORK FOR ME. Why would I not attempt to build something that is similar, if I know that works? You think your $800 machine performs just as well as workstation class hardware... good for you. I'm happy for you. That's not what I asked. I didn't ask "Do you guys think that this whole Mac Pro thing is just a ripoff and that your configuration is just as good?" Read and comprehend. 2) There is a difference between someone saying "I am not a noob and understand how to work inside computers and what the parts do, and which parts are expensive, -- BUT-- I've never built a machine from scratch, so is it possible to do it starting with these baseline parts?"... and someone saying "I know what I'm doing, even though I've never done it before." Can you appreciate the difference? Probably not. 3) It was someone from THIS FORUM (and in fact I've seen it in other threads) who suggest "Hackintosh is a hobby", not me. As I said I'm not here as a hobbyist. I don't have time for hobbies right now. I am trying to understand the complexity, cost and time requirements of configuring a professional "Hackintosh" workstation... for work purposes. I don't give a {censored} what kind of computer anyone else has and I don't evaluate people based on their computer hardware. I do however evaluate them on their behavior, which is maybe something you ought to pay more attention to rather than attempting to categorize everyone in here in terms of how they react to computer parts. Again, you're either trolling on the hobby point, or not reading. In either case you're wasting both of our time. Which also makes you a hypocrite since you decided to call me out for that. If my "using Macs for 20 years" comment was off-putting that wasn't my intention. Just clearing the air before a bunch of people start trying to explain to me what a motherboard is, how hard drives work, etc.
  2. Thanks for the responses. They are more or less what I expected. Sounds like the short answer is: "no, it is not easy to build a Hackintosh that is configured similarly to a mid-range Mac Pro (i.e. similar Intel board and CPU surrounded by comparable parts from other makers)." When I say "Hackintosh", I am using a more broad definition to include any type of Mac that a person might want to "copy", not just "the easiest way to put together a functioning Mac". And this most definitely would NOT be a hobbyist machine if I bothered to do it. It would be a work machine. A money earner. That's what Mac Pros are for most of us. People pay the money they do because the performance is the best Apple offers. Well... it was about two year ago. Cost: the reason I would consider this route is not that I don't want to spend $4000. It's that I don't want to spend $4000 on outdated {censored}. If I'm going to put thousands into a computer, I want the best technology available for that money so the investment will last a long time. That's the beauty of Mac Pros: they usually last me 4-5 years before I need a new one to keep up with the software requirements. To be clear: I've been using Macs for over 20 years (probably as long as some of you have been alive). I am not a computer noob. I often swap out hard drives, fans, RAM, etc without any problems and I understand what all those things do and how they work together. So I'm not some guy with time to kill, hankerin' to find the very fastest processor for the sake of saying I have it. I don't necessarily have to have a Xeon part (and if they're less compatible / reliable in this context I wouldn't bother) but I do at a minimum need high-end, 4-6 core i7 chips and boards that are intel-certified and design to work with same. I need that board to have a certain amount of bandwidth and connectivity, and expandability. In short: I know exactly what I need; that's why I asked about Xeon (as examples of high end parts used in Mac Pros). Yesterday's Apple announcement takes a lot of the edge off of Monday's Mac Pro fiasco so I'm not as worried about it now, but pretty clearly the Hackintosh set up is not one that is meant for stable production machines. There also seems to be this vibe of "what Hackintosh is about". I don't understand this. It is about whatever the end user wants it to be about. Don't steer someone away from more expensive hardware because "this is just a hobby and not what it's about". Just say "no those types of components don't work well for home-built Macs", or "they will work fine but you won't save any money". I'm mostly trying to understand the technical barriers to building the type of machine I need, and whether or not it would be worth the hassle.
  3. I've just begun exploring the possibilities with Hackintosh and my immediate impression is: while people SAY it's easy enough to build a good Hackintosh Tower that is comparable in performance to a Mac Pro (and slightly less expensive), I am seriously doubting it. I need your advice and I'm sure 100 other people this summer will come in here looking for same. Hopefully they find this thread and comment. Observations / Questions 1. In all the Parts wikis and Tony's site and the rest, I don't see Xeon motherboards anywhere. I also do not see among the popular configurations, dual socket motherboards from Intel. I realize Intel is not a "Requirement" but as much as possible I would like to use the same types of "core parts" found in a Mac Pro. Then when it comes to things like USB 3, SATA III SSD, etc I'll use whatever people have the best luck with. How difficult is it to find Xeon E5 CPU and motherboard parts that will work with this process? If I'm going to go to the trouble to build and maintain one of these things, I'm not going to shoot for a less powerful machine than what Apple sells. I'm going to shoot for equally or more powerful, as would many others I think. I am not averse to i7 parts but they have to be high end (around 3GHz) and either a single 6 core machine or a dual 4 or 6 core machine. 2. How common is it that once you choose your "baseline system" (let's say 10.7.3), that you can get it to work and just "stay put" for a long period of time? Some of the New User info suggests this is only a "hobby", sort of inferring you shouldn't expect things to work well much of the time. Is that the case or are there more serious Hackintosh setups where you can, with a couple days effort, set up a powerful, stable machine that you can use for production purposes? I don't always need the latest OS updates but I want to know that once I pick my baseline I can set it up and leave it untouched for several months, so I can get work done. 3. Given my hardware goals, am I better offer getting a pre-built tower from HP or Dell and installing the Hackintosh firmware and whatnot? I do not need Windows and in fact hope to avoid it. So maybe that means some of the things that cause problems for others will simplify my would-be setup and make it more stable? 4. Are there any sites out there who specialize in building "Mac Pro like" Hackintoshes, in terms of the advice they give and parts wikis? I haven't found one yet. Most sites (like this one) seem to take a more generalist approach, which I can understand.
  4. Introduce yourself.

    Greetings. Tim Cook and Apple's hardware team have decided it's better that I come here than to provide me with a good Mac Pro value. I am eager to learn the ways of the Hackintosh Jedi, and put together a tower that would make any Mac Pro owner envious.