Numberzz
Jan 23 2008, 12:43 AM
Developers were just seeded a new build of Mac OS X Leopard, 9C20. The update includes many fixes, and it seems that Apple is supposed to release it as soon as Friday. The update is said to weigh in at over 400MB, which is much more than previously reported. What's also interesting is that it appears that Apple took the graphics drivers and put them in another update that will be available after you install the 10.5.2 update. Leopard Graphics Update is what it is called, and I'm sure you can install it via Pacifist. The update is supposed to include many bug fixes, but there are a few main features that are supposed to be included.
- DVD/CD Sharing (Probably for MacBook Air)
- Optional translucent menu bar:

- List view in Stacks:
djXtreme
Jan 23 2008, 01:26 AM
oo sounds fab.
agent-squirrel
Jan 23 2008, 01:28 AM
Chuffin Hell how many bug fixes are there to warrent a 400 mb package.
macgirl
Jan 23 2008, 01:37 AM
Tomorrow is friday, right?
Special-K
Jan 23 2008, 01:45 AM
QUOTE(Numberzz @ Jan 22 2008, 07:43 PM)

Developers were just seeded a new build of Mac OS X Leopard to developers, 9C20.
Something about that isn't right....
Groffy77
Jan 23 2008, 01:45 AM
QUOTE(macgirl @ Jan 22 2008, 08:37 PM)

Tomorrow is friday, right?
No.. Wednesday.. ?
CLiDE FTW!!1
Jan 23 2008, 01:52 AM
QUOTE(bedlight @ Jan 22 2008, 08:45 PM)

Something about that isn't right....
elaborate
erei33
Jan 23 2008, 01:56 AM
This update is more needed than Vista SP1. About as large too
Special-K
Jan 23 2008, 02:08 AM
QUOTE(Killa CLiDE @ Jan 22 2008, 08:52 PM)

elaborate
Read it, it doubles itself. (Forgot the proper word for that).
Developers got seeded it to developers. (Para-phrased)
Unless it's supposed to mean Cupertino developers got 5.2 seeded to other developers. To which it'd still have to be changed around. It's just a grammatical error, which I have a thing for pointing out. Like spelling.
luke255
Jan 23 2008, 02:15 AM
It's wierd I can look forward to OS X updates now I have a real Mac rather than having to go through all the stress of updating my Hackintosh without trashing it!
Apple have really gone to town on this one, they said the update "focuses" on about 40 different aspects of OS X...
Numberzz
Jan 23 2008, 02:18 AM
QUOTE(bedlight @ Jan 22 2008, 06:08 PM)

Read it, it doubles itself. (Forgot the proper word for that).
Developers got seeded it to developers. (Para-phrased)
Unless it's supposed to mean Cupertino developers got 5.2 seeded to other developers. To which it'd still have to be changed around. It's just a grammatical error, which I have a thing for pointing out. Like spelling.
Haha. I fixed it
Special-K
Jan 23 2008, 02:31 AM
Your welcome Numberzz.
erei33
Jan 23 2008, 02:32 AM
QUOTE(luke255 @ Jan 22 2008, 09:15 PM)

Apple have really gone to town on this one, they said the update "focuses" on about 40 different aspects of OS X...
They really went to town with Leopard (in terms of how buggy it is!)
Wisam
Jan 23 2008, 03:02 AM
I am considering installing Leo using Kalyway 10.5.1 should I wait for 10.5.2 or should I install 10.5.1 and then update ?
I'm mainly concerned about hardware compatibility. 400MB fix is not just a fix by any means.
JSn1™
Jan 23 2008, 04:05 AM
Finally graphics... Do you know if there is an update for GMAX3100?
luke255
Jan 23 2008, 04:06 AM
QUOTE(luke255 @ Jan 23 2008, 02:15 AM)

It's wierd I can look forward to OS X updates now I have a real Mac rather than having to go through all the stress of updating my Hackintosh without trashing it!
QUOTE(Wisam @ Jan 23 2008, 03:02 AM)

I am considering installing Leo using Kalyway 10.5.1 should I wait for 10.5.2 or should I install 10.5.1 and then update ?
I'm mainly concerned about hardware compatibility. 400MB fix is not just a fix by any means.
Highlights my meaning well lol. btw Wisam I don't know how much u know about OSX86 but if you're thinking of updating to 10.5.2 through Apple's software update then don't as this will break your install (unless you have vanilla kernel/kexts etc all installed, if u don't know what that means presume you don't). Sorry if you already knew that but I know there's nothing worse than happily updating when Software Update opens, blissfully unaware of what's going on, restarting and getting a nice kernel panic...
QUOTE(erei33 @ Jan 23 2008, 02:32 AM)

They really went to town with Leopard (in terms of how buggy it is!)

lol this is true lets hope the update is enough to smooth out those rough edges, although I personally don't have any issues with Leopard atm (touch wood) besides Stacks but it looks like that will sorted soon...!
MistorOrange
Jan 23 2008, 05:21 AM
I have leopard installed with efi v8, etc, I think im using the default kernel that kalaway installs, how do I go about updating, when the 10.5.2 is released?
thanks
Falcon351
Jan 23 2008, 06:43 AM
QUOTE(MistorOrange @ Jan 23 2008, 04:21 PM)

I have leopard installed with efi v8, etc, I think im using the default kernel that kalaway installs, how do I go about updating, when the 10.5.2 is released?
thanks
I installed BrazilMac 10.5.0 a while ago and later added PC_EFI. Ran OK with stock kernel, then I updated to 10.5.1 via Software Update and all was well. I'm guessing/hoping the 10.5.2 update should also go smoothly.
Tip - the stock kernel from the update was about twice the size of the patched one (~10MB vs ~5MB). This would be because the patched kernel was compiled for Intel only, whereas the stock one is universal.
One safety net you can use is to rename/copy your current kernel, of course make sure you remember the name. If the update mucks it up, you can boot with your old kernel. There could still be problems due to other changes, but at least the risk would be reduced.
real_sinjon
Jan 23 2008, 07:33 AM
How would an update via S/U affect the additional drivers for graphics & audio that I installed from Kalyway 10.5.1?
lord_muad_dib
Jan 23 2008, 08:43 AM
i don't like that black dock... or it's just photoshopped numberzz?
p.s. at this rate its combo update will be 3 GB
Leoopardoo
Jan 23 2008, 10:18 AM
So, does it mean that the real support (instead of beta 10.5.22 kexts) for new GFX's like 8800gt will come in a different SW package ? Looking forward to (hopefully) smooth upgrade this friday

.
Kiko
Jan 23 2008, 10:23 AM
lol, this is the biggest update i have seen

Luminaire
Jan 23 2008, 10:28 AM
Here's to them getting the HD2600XT detected as an XT instead of a pro... God that would be awesome.
westwaerts
Jan 23 2008, 10:32 AM
QUOTE(MistorOrange @ Jan 23 2008, 06:21 AM)

I have leopard installed with efi v8, etc, I think im using the default kernel that kalaway installs, how do I go about updating, when the 10.5.2 is released?
thanks
look in the hidden files, if there is a vanilla.file there.
if you have it, you can type "vanilla" in the boot menu, if it works, you running on stock kernel.
if the update checks more than the kernel version we all dont know, since we see successful posts.
but the devil isnt sleeping, or ?
CLiDE FTW!!1
Jan 23 2008, 12:18 PM
QUOTE(bedlight @ Jan 22 2008, 09:08 PM)

Read it, it doubles itself. (Forgot the proper word for that).
Developers got seeded it to developers. (Para-phrased)
Unless it's supposed to mean Cupertino developers got 5.2 seeded to other developers. To which it'd still have to be changed around. It's just a grammatical error, which I have a thing for pointing out. Like spelling.
lmfao... yeah, didn't catch that. sometimes I just skim through sentences, but usually i'm a grammar freak, too.
Numberzz
Jan 23 2008, 02:28 PM
QUOTE(Kiko @ Jan 23 2008, 02:23 AM)

lol, this is the biggest update i have seen


Woah, {censored}.
muitommy
Jan 23 2008, 02:46 PM
Woah, i wonder how big is the combo update...
luke255
Jan 23 2008, 03:07 PM
QUOTE(Kiko @ Jan 23 2008, 10:23 AM)

lol, this is the biggest update i have seen

If it's patching things though won't it be replacing a lot of files rather than adding therefore not actually taking up 1.2gb more HD space?
CLiDE FTW!!1
Jan 23 2008, 03:44 PM
QUOTE(muitommy @ Jan 23 2008, 09:46 AM)

Woah, i wonder how big is the combo update...
Can't be much bigger... it's only going from 10.5 to 10.5.2 ... maybe 10 megs or so.
Korrupted
Jan 23 2008, 03:47 PM
It did take up 1gig. I'm running it. XD
johan
Jan 23 2008, 04:25 PM
QUOTE(DaxTsurugi @ Jan 23 2008, 04:47 PM)

It did take up 1gig. I'm running it. XD
so its works with efi 8.0?
cabron
Jan 23 2008, 04:26 PM
crap! 1.2gb? lol
apple doesn't offering a update and so a brand new os to us.
cyclonefr
Jan 23 2008, 04:28 PM
I can confirm with this update (the latest one, not the "2nd one") that I no longer have any PDF freeze / crash or iPhoto crash with those NVIDIA drivers.
NVIDIA drivers seem final to me, fps are even better each update !
cabron
Jan 23 2008, 04:44 PM
QUOTE(cyclonefr @ Jan 23 2008, 04:28 PM)

I can confirm with this update (the latest one, not the "2nd one") that I no longer have any PDF freeze / crash or iPhoto crash with those NVIDIA drivers.
NVIDIA drivers seem final to me, fps are even better each update !

tell me more about the performance gain under iphoto
I was just think its happened because my nvd card isn't really powerful to handle with it. (fx5200 128mb agp8x)
maclancer
Jan 23 2008, 05:13 PM
Does anyone know the day when will be release? I can't wait
Siro
Jan 23 2008, 06:14 PM
I think its expected to be released by coming Friday as stated earlier by somebody in this thread.
cyclonefr
Jan 23 2008, 06:23 PM
QUOTE(cabron @ Jan 23 2008, 05:44 PM)

tell me more about the performance gain under iphoto
I was just think its happened because my nvd card isn't really powerful to handle with it. (fx5200 128mb agp8x)
Performances on iphoto ? what do you mean ? I was talking about overall OpenGL Performances.
BreakTheChains
Jan 23 2008, 09:42 PM
Well I'm gonna have a really hard time waiting for the update. I love updates. Unless if they're on Vista because they take forever.
macgirl
Jan 23 2008, 09:52 PM
And they don't install, I got a huge list of updates that didn't want to install.
CLiDE FTW!!1
Jan 23 2008, 11:55 PM
They still didn't update the core x3100 driver -- I've tried reinstalling the drivers twice, and Apple's only made changes to the FB and Frame Buffer kexts... my dock is still sluggish

(Well, here's to 10.5.3!)
Otherwise everything else is quite snappier compared to 10.5.1!
NatMusak
Jan 24 2008, 12:21 AM
These kind of updates are what separates Apple from Microsoft. While the core OS is very functional, they've obviously listened to complaints about little problems (on/off switch for translucent Menu Bar, hierarchal Stacks menus) in addition to the usual bug fixes. No waiting months for service packs that just introduce more problems, fix a few bugs, and ignore the fine touches requested by users.
JSn1™
Jan 24 2008, 12:21 AM
QUOTE(Kiko @ Jan 23 2008, 10:23 AM)

lol, this is the biggest update i have seen


Wow... I can just imagine 10.5.9 combo update.
macgirl
Jan 24 2008, 01:01 AM
QUOTE(JSN1 @ Jan 23 2008, 06:21 PM)

Wow... I can just imagine 10.5.9 combo update.
It will called 10.6
cyclonefr
Jan 24 2008, 03:07 AM
QUOTE(Killa CLiDE @ Jan 24 2008, 12:55 AM)

They still didn't update the core x3100 driver -- I've tried reinstalling the drivers twice, and Apple's only made changes to the FB and Frame Buffer kexts... my dock is still sluggish

(Well, here's to 10.5.3!)
Otherwise everything else is quite snappier compared to 10.5.1!
Actually there are new X3100 OGL bundles + core kexts in the Graphics Update package that comes with 9C20.
CLiDE FTW!!1
Jan 24 2008, 05:30 AM
QUOTE(cyclonefr @ Jan 23 2008, 10:07 PM)

Actually there are new X3100 OGL bundles + core kexts in the Graphics Update package that comes with 9C20.
What kexts are they?
The gmax3100 kext that I found in my extensions folder after installing the Graphics Update package hasn't been modified since "October".
Like I said theres gmax3100fb and intel frame buffer...
I can't "view contents" of package -- just incase the installer isn't copying over the kext, so therefore I suffer with sluggish graphics
Falcon351
Jan 24 2008, 06:55 AM
QUOTE(Killa CLiDE @ Jan 24 2008, 04:30 PM)

I can't "view contents" of package -- just incase the installer isn't copying over the kext, so therefore I suffer with sluggish graphics

If you're worried about viewing the package while installing, use the command "ls -lR <path>" (lowercase "L" letters in both cases) in Terminal. This will list the folder you specify and all subfolders with details (file sizes, timestamps, permissions etc.). I believe you can do this even without root privileges, since you're only reading.
robotskip
Jan 24 2008, 08:17 AM
QUOTE(NatMusak @ Jan 24 2008, 10:21 AM)

These kind of updates are what separates Apple from Microsoft. While the core OS is very functional, they've obviously listened to complaints about little problems (on/off switch for translucent Menu Bar, hierarchal Stacks menus) in addition to the usual bug fixes. No waiting months for service packs that just introduce more problems, fix a few bugs, and ignore the fine touches requested by users.
Yeah, because it's not like Microsoft listened to customers complaining about copying speed and put a patch out months ago and there are a ton of other examples like this.
But hey, lying makes you look cool.
stellarola
Jan 24 2008, 09:25 AM
So I updated to 10.5.2 build 9C20. Install was a little painful on the hackintosh side of things. I had to re-add all my kexts for my system.
Such as...
AppleSmbios
AppleACPIPlatform
AppleHDA
This was all re-added after the update took place. Also I had to
remove AppleEFIRuntime and AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement kexts to get this thing to boot properly.
So this basically means no more easy updates until Netkas and the crew figure it out. All in all this build is amazingly rock solid. I've been trying to break it for a couple hours and can't seem to. Which is a good thing.

I'm using a Nvidia 7xxx series card (7900GS 256) and the new graphics drivers are great. The dock animations are faster. The same could be said about minimizing a window too. The animations are smooth as silk. I'm sure the official update will drop within a week or two.
-Stell
Tek_No
Jan 24 2008, 10:12 AM
QUOTE(stellarola @ Jan 24 2008, 10:25 AM)

So I updated to 10.5.2 build 9C20. Install was a little painful on the hackintosh side of things. I had to re-add all my kexts for my system.
Such as...
AppleSmbios
AppleACPIPlatform
AppleHDA
This was all re-added after the update took place. Also I had to
remove AppleEFIRuntime and AppleIntelCPUPowerManagement kexts to get this thing to boot properly.
So this basically means no more easy updates until Netkas and the crew figure it out. All in all this build is amazingly rock solid. I've been trying to break it for a couple hours and can't seem to. Which is a good thing.

I'm using a Nvidia 7xxx series card (7900GS 256) and the new graphics drivers are great. The dock animations are faster. The same could be said about minimizing a window too. The animations are smooth as silk. I'm sure the official update will drop within a week or two.
-Stell
Were you running PC_EFI before the update?
stellarola
Jan 24 2008, 10:19 AM
QUOTE(Tek_No @ Jan 24 2008, 10:12 AM)

Were you running PC_EFI before the update?
Yes and still am.
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