oh, and don luca, check inbox in a min.


max

The simplest way to install it is using Parallels, but you'll not get your monitor recognized (640x480, B/W).

Create a new Virtual Machine in Parallels, create a 1 Gig HD.
Then rename the floppy's extensions to .img, and put the boot floppy in Parallels as first boot device.
Take the iso and put it in Parallels as well.
Start the VM.
When it says insert the driver diskette, then swap the boot disk with the driver one.
When he asks you for a driver, reply:
7
7
7
1
then select "1" again and it will start the installation.
From then follow the on-screen instructions.
I have to go to bed now and sleep, tomorrow I'm having an exam in Physics...
If you still need help, reply here, I'll give you my help ASAP.

EDIT:
An entire ISO only 8 Mb?!?!?
I think it's a fake...

EDIT 2:
It's a truncated file... StuffIt is searching for the rest, but can't find it, so it caused an infinite loop.

well, i guess its back to searching the endless verges of google/yahoo :-p


max

how do i put the boot floppy into parallels? sorry if noob question. i use boot camp.

I hate this to be my first post here, but I hope I get credit for visiting this site and the orginial site since December . Ive been looking for Rhapsody for a long time. Can the hero of the board PM with the link for the Intel version of Rhapsody DR2? thankies.



BlackShadowWolf

What do I type? I have tried everything. Thanks in Advance.

got the ppc back, non corrupted, will upload soon, but you need the x86 install floopys to boot off of the .toast.


max


ps

will upload later

good!

sorry? floppy? but rhapsody wasn't supported on any ppc with a floppy drive. anyway in the cd there is a system folder, so it should boot…

Could you please help, I have no idea what to do. What do I type?

Have you tried hitting return?

What you have displayed is one of the oddest installation shots I've ever seen... you are missing a column of letters/numbers, which is the first time I've seen that in the last 7 years of working with Rhapsody.

"1" is selected for you, so hitting return should finish the installation of files (assuming that the issue that has removed those characters from your screen doesn't cause further problems).

You were right, the "1" appeared because in fullscreen mode, when hitting shift-apple-3, it results on displaying a 1 for some reason Thanks so much.

Hey thanks for the almost instant PM mr hero. It took me forever to actually get to the first install screen. I didnt know what I was doing wrong as it always gave me kernel panics, til I discovered I hit 7 twice, instead of 3 times so I was loading the wrong driver lol. Its now doing the part 1 installation in Virtual PC 2004 (Windows edition. Thanks for the wonderful guide and the OS itself.

RacerX: For some odd reason, Parallels strips away the first column of the screen during the whole (text-based part of) installation process. It's not Rhapsody's fault, just Parallels

There's another way to install it: update an installation of Mac OS 9.
Now I'm not at home, when i'll be back i'll try it.

P.S.: The truncated (8 Mb) file gave me a 5.7 Gig DVD.
Please, as soon as you finish uploading the working PPC, PM me the link.
Thanks!

i think not: rhapsody should be like os x, and mac os x can be installed on the same partition of os 9.


only? using stuffit it expanded forever for me, i force-quitted it when i saw a 40 gb toast file!
it expanded with normal dimensions using compress (http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/16519), but it is corrupted anyway…

I don't think you should upload it until I know it's working. I'll test it tonight. I was trying to last night, but I ran out of time. I have a non-corrupted also. And, when you upload it, include the floppy images.

I am starting to send out copies of Copland and YellowBox now!

I'm back home...
Arix (or anyone), can you send or upload your copy of Rhapsody PPC?
Even if you're not sure if it works... I have time to waste...

Will Rhapsody PPC work in Sheepshaver?

That's what I want to discover.

Nope it doesn't. Ive tried and all it does it crash when you try to load it. I think its looking for something that the emulator cant handle.

Update on Intel Rhapsody:
Bochs:Install and boots successfully---->Thanks for the guide
Qemu:First stage install sucessful,crash afterwards
VirtualPC 2004: Weirdest of the bunch, stage 1 install success in some cases, always kernel panics in second stage installaton start up.

Does anyone have virtual pc 4 for windows, bochs is way to slow and jerky to work with .

BlackShadowWolf, did you try installing it with floppies or upgrading a Mac OS 9 installation?

Am I reading this right? Floppies? For the PowerPC version of Rhapsody?

Rhapsody for PowerPC doesn't use floppies... you boot from the CD. Rhapsody for PowerPC is a CD with two partitions, an HFS partition and a UFS partition. You boot into Mac OS 8.1/8.5/9.0 (depending on which version you are installing) off the HFS partition and the installer sets the firmware up for running Rhapsody.

Also, there is no upgrade path from Mac OS 8/9 to Rhapsody... Mac OS 8/9 can't even read the Rhapsody file system.

Actually Rhapsody and Mac OS X are quite different. Rhapsody and Mac OS 8/9 can't exist on the same partition as Rhapsody uses a proprietary UFS format and Mac OS 8/9/X all use HFS+. Later versions of Rhapsody can read/write to HFS/HFS+, but Rhapsody has to be installed on a UFS partition.

I tried to boot from the cd, and just crashed before it could load the desktop. I tried to run the cd from Mac OS 8.6 within SheepShaver, but it couldnt find a disk to install Rhapsody on as there was no way to format it to UFS from within the program, so if someone can figure out how to install Rhapsody in SheepShaver, tell us as it will be a miracle in my eyes.

I see... anyone tried with pearpc?
Or even with qemu (it has PowerPC emulation...)

PearPC cant use any Mac OS earlier than 10.1, it doesnt have OpenBIOS support, which makes Rhapsody out of the question there, Im not sure about qemu, it might work but I could never get it to set up properly, even to install Mac OS 9.

Nothing... qemu doesn't want to boot Mac OS 9 CD.

yoy're right, i forgot that.


pearpc can't boot mac os 9, wich is needed to start the installation.


can't boot os 9 too.

i allready had them uploaded that was quite redundant...

Has anyone tried installing it into Q or QEmu? When I did, I was unable to move the mouse when the GUI booted, so I was unable to select any drivers.

Well, I have them too. So if you need something, you can pm either me or bwhsh8r. Also, I will start sending out copies of PPC Rhapsody as soon as I get it to run, because i don't want to send it out until I know it works. I'm starting up SheepShaver right now, so I'll tell you how it goes.

If you get it running in SS, please tell us!

Hmm... Not booting in Q, and SS ejects the disk everytime I try to boot... I'll keep trying.

i have a feeling its corrupted like i expected... idk tho... good luck


max

i think you're right... when I booted up in os9 and tried to install, it kept having "disk errors"

yep... its corrupted then... :'(

back to the searchengines of doom for me!


max

Do you know if you can change the sresolution or have colors? Whenever I go into resolution, it doesn't display any.

You have to use Configure.app... the other preferences settings are actually for the PowerPC version, and are not functioning in the Intel version (this was a compromise that NeXT had made with the first version of NEXTSTEP for Intel, and Apple hadn't finished fixing it before the second developer release of Rhapsody).

All hardware settings in Rhapsody for Intel are configured via Configure.app. Just like with NeXT hardware back in NEXTSTEP/OPENSTEP, Apple hardware doesn't use Configure.app because the OS is designed to be run on it.

So, should I get the PPC version and install it on "Q" or something similar?

no. MAYBE on sheepshaver or maconlinux.

Are you asking if you should attempt what seems impossible rather than learn how to use Configure.app?

Thousands of people have learnt how to work with Configure.app since it was introduced with NEXTSTEP 3.1 back in 1993, and the version in Rhapsody is exactly the same app (they didn't even change the GUI on it). Beyond the tons of documentation out there for Rhapsody, in the case of this app there is tons of documentation out there on both NEXTSTEP and OPENSTEP for PCs that could help. Plus you should have dealt with Configure.app back during the installation process (when it was asking you to set up your hardware).

Honestly, it is hard to believe that you got Rhapsody up and running and something this small would make you abandon a working system and attempt to set up a different one.

But if you want to go PowerPC... go with real hardware. A real Mac that would run Rhapsody cost nearly nothing these days. I own a PowerMac 8500, and I got it for free and know it'll work perfectly with Rhapsody.

I don't see trading the learning pains of Rhapsody for Intel for the futile attempts at installing Rhapsody for PowerPC in emulation as being the smart way to go.



Just a general question to all you guys trying this stuff... have any of you read anything about using and working with Rhapsody? No one here should be claiming that any of this documentation is hidden or hard to find.

Guys, sorry for the dumb question, but... does Mac OS 9 apps work in Rhapsody?
If no, then does an emulator exist?

Only Rhapsody apps work in Rhapsody. No Mac OS 8/9 app will run in Rhapsody by themselves.

On the other hand, Rhapsody for PowerPC comes with Blue Box which is what would later become Classic. This runs a full version of the Mac OS (Mac OS 8.0 to 8.6 depending on which version of Rhapsody you are using) off a disk image where you can run Mac apps.

As 99% of all Mac OS 9 apps can actually be run in Mac OS 8.6 (with the proper Carbon Libraries installed), I have been able to run just about any Mac OS 8/9 app I want on my (PowerPC) Rhapsody systems.

Even better, Rhapsody takes over memory management for Blue Box, which makes for a much more stable environment than a real Mac OS 8/9 system.

Some apps that I've run in Blue Box...

Adobe Acrobat (4.0 and 5.0)
Adobe Photoshop (5.0, 5.5 and 6.0)
Adobe ImageReady (1.0, 2.0 and 3.0)
Adobe Illustrator (8.0)
Adobe PageMill (3.0)
Adobe PageMaker (5.0, 6.5)
Adobe GoLive (5.0)
Macromedia Flash (4.0 and 5.0)
QuarkXPress (3.32, 4.11)
SoundEdit Pro 16 2.0
Painter (5.0)
Bryce 3D (3.0)
CoralDRAW (8.0LE)
CoralPHOTOPAINT (8.0LE)
Coral WordPerfect (3.5e)
AppleWorks (5.0, 6.0-6.2.4)
MS Office 98
MS Outlook Express (5.0.x)
MS Internet Explorer (5.x.x)
Strata Vision 3D (4.0)
QuickTime Pro (5.0 and 6.0.x)
Netscape (4.x.x and 7.0.2)
Mozilla (1.2.1 and 1.3.1)
Mathematica (2.2.2 and 4.x)
Theorist (1.0 and 2.0.2)
etc...

You can pretty much run almost anything.

...we MUST find a way to properly run Rhapsody PPC

And all this time I had always felt that the easiest version of Rhapsody to get running was the PowerPC version.

I mean I could have 10 systems* up and running with different PowerPC versions of Rhapsody in a couple hours... I think there already is a proper way to run Rhapsody for PowerPC.







* The 10 systems include two PowerMac 8600s, a 7500, an 8500, two Beige G3s, PowerBook G3 Wallstreet, PowerBook G3 Lombard, PowerBook 3400c, and a Power Tower Pro.

Well, the reason why we can't run Rhapsody PPC is because it's corrupted, and we can't find an uncorrupted image of it.

use bluebox (its os7.5 in side of the rhapsody... it was the old mach compatability layer... i have a .toast of that and am uploading it as we speak )


max

oh and ps "Well, the reason why we can't run Rhapsody PPC is because it's corrupted, and we can't find an uncorrupted image of it." im looking... but idk when ill find it... but it will happen, if anyone has any hints then pm me other whise it might be a little whial...

Other dumb question... does Blue Box work with x86 version of Rhapsody?

EDIT: err... everywhere's written that BlueBox was shipped with EVERY version of Rhapsody DR2... so it seems that both x86 and PPC versions already have Blue Box installed...

bwhsh8r, have you tried with some other apps that can make disc images? (disk utility under mac os x, disk copy on os 9, making an iso on a linux system…) Maybe is just toast that can't andle the rapsody disc properly… (strange, but not so strange: some old versions had problema with mac os x dvds…)


i think not: bluebox was only a virtualizator, not an amulator. it is more similar to vmware than bochs…

i dont make the images, i dont even test them... i just happen to have stumbled across rhapsody x86 a whial ago and decided to share as alot of people were looking for it and so i did... and idk, probly... and im looking, although i do have dr 1 for yellobox and bluebox... oh and, if i did it theyd be in iso since i dont have anything apple except my collection of ipods... and i use magic iso



max

so what about the ppc one?